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Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:44 AM

It's time to address anti-Semitism.

Jewish people are a small minority of the world's population, especially after the genocide of the last century (and previous purges and genocides). They are a vulnerable minority.

There is a global rise in anti-Semitism that is accompanying the rise of white supremacy and nationalism. We ignore this at our peril.

Please take a look at how much violent rhetoric is directed at George Soros, for instance. There are other wealthy progressives. The hatred directed at Soros is out of all proportion to his philanthropy. Why? Is it because he is Eastern European and Jewish?

Look at all the conspiracy theories frightening people about some shadowy "Jewish conspiracy" involving the media and banking. Where have we seen this before? In Nazi propaganda as they rose to power.

Be aware. Dictatorships build their power by singling out groups of people as "the enemy."

Speak up. Speak out.

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Reply It's time to address anti-Semitism. (Original post)
yardwork Oct 27 OP
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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:49 AM

1. Thank you for posting this.

There is a tendency by SOME on the left to ignore antisemitism.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:54 AM

2. Yes, there is.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:04 AM

4. And for some on the left to engage in it.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:08 AM

5. Indeed.

See whats going on with the Labour Party in the UK right now as an example.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #5)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:10 AM

6. All over Europe. Italy, for example.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #6)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:11 AM

7. Yup

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:45 PM

70. ..

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Response to nycbos (Reply #1)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:06 AM

80. Yes, there is

Not just ignoring, minimizing which is even worse as its conscious.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 10:59 AM

3. The man who just killed at least 8 people at a synogogue in Pittsburgh yelled anti-Semitic things.

That's what prompted this OP today.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:14 AM

8. One wonders if this was simmering in the shooter's mind and the bombing events...

...triggered it? BTW, apparently another middle-aged white man.

Sayoc is disgustingly and openly anti-Semitic. I hope these two incidents don't start a flood of additional incidents.

PS, for about 20 years back in 1970/1980s my mother worked at the headquarters of the American Jewish Committee in midtown Manhattan. About once a month they would receive a bomb threat and the entire building would be evacuated until it was screened. Out of curiosity I went to their website to see exactly where it was/is. They don't have their location or mailing address anymore - to contact them one has to send an email. Smart.

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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:18 AM

9. The anti-Jewish rhetoric is all over the internet.

It may not be as obvious to many of us as the racism, because many of us are not very attuned to the centuries' old libels and hateful conspiracy theories directed at Jewish people.

That's why I posted this OP. I think that we all need to educate ourselves about anti-Semitism so that we recognize it and call it out.

Thank you for your post!

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Response to George II (Reply #8)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:48 PM

72. Robert Bowers, killed Jews because he believed they organized and financed the "caravans coming to..

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Response to Cha (Reply #72)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:10 AM

81. That was merely his excuse

His motivation was hatred for Jews. He called for the death of ALL Jews.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:19 AM

10. K&R

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #10)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:20 AM

11. Thank you.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:25 AM

12. KR

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:48 AM

13. Yes. It is a pervasive evil throughout the world

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 11:49 AM

14. ...

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:01 PM

15. K&R

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:15 PM

16. its time to address very openly ALL forms of discrimination.

thanks for posting .

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Response to Post removed (Reply #42)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:15 PM

48. Oh good grief. nt

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Response to Codeine (Reply #48)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:19 PM

49. Got a live one here!

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #49)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:37 PM

55. Not anymore eom

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Response to Maeve (Reply #55)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:45 PM

57. Yeah hattip to MIRT!

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:16 PM

17. Kick and recommend for truth. And vote out the rethugs.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:17 PM

18. Way, way recommended.

There are not "good people" on both sides of this.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:17 PM

19. How do you think it should be addressed?

Are there some concrete actions you suggest?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #19)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:32 PM

26. Yes. As stated in this thread, I have two concrete suggestions.

One is that we all learn more about what anti-Semitism is, so that we can recognize it.

Second, we need to call it out when we see it.

For example, the MAGAbomber used anti-Semitic imagery and rhetoric, and one of his first targets was George Soros, who is often accused by right-wingers of being part of a "Jewish conspiracy." When people bring up the MAGAbomber, you could mention the anti-Semitism he expressed. And you could bring up today's attack on a Jewish place of worship.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:46 PM

29. I agree with you there

But I feel like even stronger action needs to be taken. There is such a huge amount of antisemtiism on social media, for instance.

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Response to oberliner (Reply #29)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 03:45 PM

95. What stronger actions are you suggesting?

And please, be as specific as you are able.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #95)

Thu Nov 1, 2018, 06:31 PM

96. Maybe have Twitter and Facebook be more rigorous about cracking down

It seems like they are not always consistent in that respect.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:20 PM

20. Exactly.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:22 PM

21. no one is safe when you have a white, nationalist racist running a country.

tRump kept a copy of hitler's speeches by his bedside according to his first wife, he is a menace.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:30 PM

22. Well part of it is the jackass in the Kremlin.

I would love if we a people could rise and take him out. He's just as dangerous if not more so than Hitler. I'm normally against war but I would love to see Putin and his troll army bombed back to the stone ages.

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Response to Initech (Reply #22)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:33 PM

28. Putin is absolutely promoting global anti-Semitism.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #28)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:47 PM

31. #PutinOrderedIt

My first thought this morning when I heard was that this guy is somebody's Manchurian Candidate. I fear the OctoberSurprise is just beginning. Perhaps this, the bombing campaign, and whatever's next = Trump's so-called RedWave.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:30 PM

23. Good post. I do speak out. Esp now with the neo-Nazi rise in America.

If Jewish people think non-Jews won't stand with them, like in the past in other parts of the world, think again. There are millions in this country who will not tolerate it. People in both political parties, too.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #23)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:32 PM

27. I stand with you.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:31 PM

24. Thank you for posting this. It has become more than a concern, it is starting to be frightening.

Your point about Soros is spot on, and I would add, also Sanders to some extent, and definitely Israel. I trust those who hijack threads with virulent, apoplectic posts about Sanders and Israel will have the decency not to do so in response to my post, in this context.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:31 PM

25. Absolutely.

One can be anti-Netanyahoo and anti-Likud without having anything against Jewish people - who by and large are a credit to any country they live in.

As far as Cheeto, he's definitely becoming the inciter-in-chief.

He may not have directed anyone to do these things, as someone pointed out, but his Chumpkins definitely feel that he is.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 12:47 PM

30. Yes. This is part of Putin's agenda too

The shooter seems to be a home-grown Nazi in the line of Fred Trump.
George Soros supports many worthwhile humanitarian cases. I've always thought that the portrayal of him as a bogeyman was anti-Semitic. Remember Trump's meme of Hillary Clinton with the star of David?
Trump used/is using anti-Semitism to rile up his Nazi supporters. Even if this terrorist did not vote for Trump, there were many anti-Semites who read between the lines (none too difficult) and voted for him. I'd bet a dollar that he preferred Trump to Hillary Clinton.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:00 PM

32. I have never understood anti-semitism.

I know that it has deep historical roots. But even so, all the Jews that I have ever know were kind and generous people. Smart. Good friends and neighbors. I just don't get it.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:10 PM

33. Bannon, an anti-Semite himself, invited them

Their numbers were their margin of victory along with voter suppression, Comey, and the damage inflicted by the radical left. Without any of them Republicans lose.

When you dance with the devil you don't change the devil the devil changes you.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:11 PM

34. What was stated in levity 20 years ago I now recall with conviction:

"So this is hell, and there's a crucifix in it". Robin Williams in the Birdcage.
I must resist to urge to scream at the MAGA's about their hateful crusade's consequences. What more does it take to get them to admit they made a horrible mistake?

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:28 PM

35. Well said

There has been a big uptick in anti-Semitic attacks, including vandalism at cemetaries. Today people died and more will follow if people across all spectrums speak out and try to force the leader of the neo-Nazis to do something.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:32 PM

36. Naive soul that I am, I've never understood anti-semitism.

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Response to hostalover (Reply #36)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:16 AM

82. History tells the tale

When people are afraid, when they're certain it's the "other" that is the cause of all their problems, hatred rears its head. And Jews are the oldest "other" out there.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:34 PM

37. I am a bit curious about the absense of the Jewish lobby

There was a time that the various Jewish organizations were at the forefront of political issues. Starting with the Civil Rights Movement up to the protests against the Bush invasion of Iraq there was always a Jewish voice in the mix.
How is it that the people who suffered most from the last Nationalist eruption are not screaming the loudest?

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Response to randr (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:35 PM

38. Um, what?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #38)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:37 PM

39. What what?

Has anyone heard the Jewish Defense League come out against anything Trump has done?

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Response to randr (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:40 PM

41. The Jewish Defense League?

They are a terrorist group.

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Response to Post removed (Reply #44)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:13 PM

46. Your own link states that they are a far-right terrorist group.

What is wrong with you? Take this crap off my thread.

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Response to randr (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:33 PM

53. Are you thinking of the Anti-Defamation League, by any chance?

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:37 PM

40. Actually most of the hate rhetoric I read about Soros

calls him a Nazi collaborator who is responsible for the death of thousands of Jews.

Which is not true, of course. Soros was only 15 when WWII ended.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #40)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:23 PM

50. Soros is routinely portrayed as part of a Jewish conspiracy.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:47 PM

43. K&R

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 01:52 PM

45. Can't we impeach Trump for incitement and a breach of the peace? Seriously, is there no way?

Attacked By Alt-Right Trolls, A Jewish Journalist Links Trump To The Rise Of Hate


March 19, 20181:47 PM ET
Heard on Fresh Air
Terry Gross

Trump "has made nationalist policy into the policy of the executive branch," says New York Times editor Jonathan Weisman. His new book, (((Semitism))), is about being Jewish in the Trump era.
Semitism

Being Jewish in America in the Age of Trump

by Jonathan Weisman

Hardcover, 238 pages

TERRY GROSS, HOST:

This is FRESH AIR. I'm Terry Gross. After linking to an article about the rise of fascism in America, my guest, Jonathan Weisman, became the target of neo-Nazi trolls on Twitter barraging him with anti-Semitic insults and threats. Weisman is a former congressional correspondent for The New York Times and is now deputy Washington editor, handling Time's coverage of Congress as well as some political coverage. In his new book, he describes his encounters with white nationalists, writes about some of their leaders, looks at the connections between white nationalists and the Trump campaign and administration, and examines some of the history of anti-Semitism in America. The book is called "((Semitism))): Being Jewish In America In The Age Of Trump."

Jonathan Weisman, welcome back to FRESH AIR. Tell us how the anti-Semitic attacks against you started. What did you first tweet out that got the response?

JONATHAN WEISMAN: Well, it was May of 2016. It was a time when Donald Trump was actually kind of marauding through the Republican primaries, but somehow, the Republican establishment still thought there was some way to stop him. And Robert Kagan, a Brookings Institution scholar, had written an op-ed for The Washington Post on how fascism comes to America. And I wasn't thinking much. I do this a lot. I just took a quotation from it and put it on Twitter and sent it out there. And I got a reply back on Twitter from somebody identifying themself (ph) as CyberTrump. And all it was was a two-word missive. It said, hello, Weisman. But Weisman was in these three parentheses - surrounded by three parentheses. And, you know, obviously, Weisman's a pretty Jewish name, so I intuited that this notation, my name in brackets, had something to do with my Judaism, my Jewish background.

So I answered, care to explain? And what I got back was this odd response - what ho, the vaunted Ashkenazi intelligence. CyberTrump came back with me. He said, it's a dog whistle, fool, belling the cat from my fellow goyim. And that was it. From that moment on, I was kind of under an onslaught on Twitter. It kind of bled into voicemails sometimes and email from anti-Semites. It was - the viciousness of it really took me aback because, of course, we don't really think of this country as overtly anti-Semitic. And the old anti-Semitic tropes, the imagery, the violence really, really shocked me.

GROSS: So these triple parentheses bracketing your name, signifying that you're Jewish, is that a marker so that other people who want to attack you for being Jewish can figure out, get him?

WEISMAN: Well, unbeknownst to me and frankly unbeknownst to virtually anyone in the world, there was a piece of software that was being offered as a Google plug-in. It was very nondescript in its name. It was called the Coincidence Indicator (ph). And what it did was allow people - racist, bigots, anti-Semites and the alt-right - to actually search for those three parentheses. You see, on Google, Google searches don't pick up punctuation. They only pick up letters. And if you had plugged in this Coincidence Indicator, you could go hunt out these three parentheses. So it literally was belling the cat. Anybody who had that, if somebody on the Internet wanted to go find a marked man or woman, he could plug in the Coincidence Indicator and find the mark. And I had been marked.

GROSS: So it's like the Internet equivalent of wearing a Jewish star or, you know, a pink triangle during the Nazi era, in a way.

WEISMAN: Exactly, exactly. I would put it exactly that way. And in fact, a lot of the images that were sent to me were me with a yellow Jewish star sewed to whatever I happened to be wearing in that motif.

GROSS: So give us a sense of some of the hate tweets that you got from the neo-Nazi trolls.

WEISMAN: Well, so much of it was Trump-oriented. There's one meme that they sent to a lot of Jewish journalists with the journalist's face in a gas chamber and a smiling Donald Trump in Nazi uniform flicking the switch for the gas chamber. There were images of my face and other journalists' faces superimposed on a victim of the Holocaust leaning over and about to be shot in the head by a Nazi. There was - one of my favorites was the very famous gates of Auschwitz. But instead of the German, you know, make work - work makes you free, it said, mocking America great again. A lot of - there was a lot of Holocaust imagery infused with make America great or Donald Trump's name or face. It was the first real understanding that there were these shock troops of the Trump campaign who were just flagrantly racist, bigoted and anti-Semitic.

GROSS: Do you think that Donald Trump knew about this kind of tweet using his slogan, make America great, using his name in such anti-Semitic ways?

https://www.npr.org/2018/03/19/594894657/attacked-by-alt-right-trolls-a-jewish-journalist-links-trump-to-the-rise-of-hate

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Response to BeckyDem (Reply #45)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:37 PM

54. This was so coordinated, I believe it came from Putin's trolls.

The video that appeared on DU when we were hacked on election night 2016 was filled with Eastern European white supremacist nationalist imagery, including many overtly anti-Semitic images. George Soros was portrayed as demonic. Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, Angela Merkel and other leaders were caricatured in front of a Star of David, implying that they are part of an evil Jewish conspiracy.

Putin, Stalin, and other dictators are portrayed as saviors.

It's easily seen on YouTube. Search on "DU hacked."

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Response to yardwork (Reply #54)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 05:10 PM

61. Thanks! I swear, we have a case for him on incitement and should have

Dems look into it. Trump is not going to stop.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:25 PM

51. I've had what turns out to be an anti-semetic person emailing me

One of the last emails I received from this freak was so very disgusting.

I've had him on my ignore list ever since.

I will not feed this beast called hatred!



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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:30 PM

52. Actually, it's a time to address HATE

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:43 PM

56. Agree

People need to read about the long history which started before christianity. Those in the dem party or on the left who allow it it by not calling it out etc, such as inviting Farrakhan to speak and not calling out his disgusting hatred need to stop doing that and they need to speak out against it. Antisemitism is pervasive in this society and in many other countries, I have experienced it many, many times.

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Response to Meowmee (Reply #56)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 03:59 PM

58. Agreed.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 04:35 PM

59. Good post, yardwork.

Thank you. K&R

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 04:50 PM

60. Thank You, yardwork.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 05:15 PM

62. I have always felt "Liberal Media" is a dog whistle.

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Response to LeftInTX (Reply #62)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:18 PM

65. I agree.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 05:48 PM

63. We talk about antisemitism a lot in the Jewish Group.

Trust me, we haven’t missed a conversation. Just because some on the right and left think we aren’t an actual minority, we are well aware of our status.

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Response to EllieBC (Reply #63)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:19 PM

66. I know that. My message is for the rest of us.

I realize that it is easy for gentiles to overlook anti-Semitism. We may not even recognize it when we see it.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 06:07 PM

64. Anti-Semitic incidents rose 57 percent in US last year

Under trump, anti-Semitism is now acceptable and anti-Semitic acts have increased under trump https://www.aol.com/article/news/2018/02/28/anti-semitic-incidents-rose-57-percent-in-us-last-year/23373258/

The number of anti-Semitic incidents in the United States surged by 57 percent last year, according to a tally by the Anti-Defamation League, an increase the advocacy group's chief executive blamed in part on President Donald Trump.

The group's Audit of Anti-Semitic Incidents counted 1,986 such incidents last year, including physical assaults, vandalism and attacks on Jewish institutions, up from 1,267 incidents in 2016, making it the largest single-year increase on record.

ADL CEO Jonathan Greenblatt said that Trump bore some responsibility for the increase for not condemning events like last summer's white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, as well as scattered incidences of bomb threats, cemetery desecration and school bullying.

"Some of his tweets and rhetoric have emboldened and given encouragement to the worst segments of society, anti-Semites and bigots," Greenblatt said in a phone interview. "The president's comments on the rally, saying there were good people on both sides, was a low point under his leadership and during his presidency."

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #64)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:20 PM

67. Wow. I had no idea. Thank you for posting that.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #67)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 08:51 PM

75. This is a scary time for Jews

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Response to yardwork (Reply #67)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:08 PM

85. From AMJOY-Antisemitism on the rise in the U.S

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:42 PM

68. Kick and rec

It's been there right in front of us - all of this time.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #68)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:47 PM

71. And some people, you, yardwork, and a few others have always been there to support us.

I have been rather...I don't know what word to use, I guess a bit shell-shocked, but not really, all day long. You (and those like you) have stood up for us and against anti-Semitism when it wasn't "cool". You have seen the writing on the wall because you have listened to us Jews, instead of 'splainin' to us how we are being "overdramatic" or telling us "there are bigger issues to face." I have personally seen you call out anti-Semitic rhetoric here and support those of us who call it out and then are pounced upon by those "who know better than the Jews."

Thank you.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #71)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 08:59 PM

78. Thank you for your kind words.

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Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #71)

Mon Oct 29, 2018, 11:00 AM

93. Your welcome



I really need people to wake up and realize - if you aren't one of 'them' - you are one of us.

If each group in the 'one of us' stands strong with the other - we CONQUER them.


This is do or die.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 07:43 PM

69. Fred Guttenberg tells it exactly how it is..

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 08:06 PM

73. Thank you for writing this.

I may have more to write later, I am not sure. I am still a bit taken aback, though I suspected something like this was a matter of "when" not "if". AS horrific as this is, anti-Semitism in all forms needs to be condemned, no matter WHO is saying or doing it. A form of anti-Semitism (which is often seen with other groups too and takes on their anti-group name when used against them), is demanding Jews, especially from another camp "speak out" or are questioned as to what they have been doing overall (see the above comment about the JDL ).

A recent post in LBN about the new racist robocall against Andrew Gillum in the Florida governor race didn't even mention the anti-Semitism in the message! Yes, it is important to call out racism, but if anti-Semitism is also present, it MUST be called out too! It should not be "sidelined". The spate of anti-Semitic attack on Soros in LOCAL political ads MUST be called out when they happen. The conflation of anti-Semitism and "criticism" of Israel needs to be examined and called out when it happens. Attacking people by making anti-Israel remarks because the person in question is Jewish IS anti-Semitic and has to stop! People have to stop using common anti-Semitic themes against Jews, even the right-wing ones, when those themes are called out as anti-Semitic.

It was only a matter of time before this happened, and sadly, I think we may see another event soon, possibly the assassination of a Jewish leader or politician.

I will place these here...

Study: Online attacks on Jews ramp up before Election Day

By The Associated Press
October 26, 2018 1:49 pm

COLLEGE PARK, Md. (AP) — Far-right extremists have ramped up an intimidating wave of anti-Semitic harassment against Jewish journalists, political candidates and others ahead of next month’s U.S. midterm elections, according to a report released Friday by a Jewish civil rights group.

The Anti-Defamation League’s report says its researchers analyzed more than 7.5 million Twitter messages from Aug. 31 to Sept. 17 and found nearly 30 percent of the accounts repeatedly tweeting derogatory terms about Jews appeared to be automated “bots.”

But accounts controlled by real-life humans often mount the most “worrisome and harmful” anti-Semitic attacks, sometimes orchestrated by leaders of neo-Nazi or white nationalist groups, the researchers said.

“Both anonymity and automation have been used in online propaganda offensives against the Jewish community during the 2018 midterms,” they wrote.

ADL national director and CEO Jonathan Greenblatt said the midterm elections have been a “rallying point” for far-right extremists to organize efforts to spread hate online.

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Thank you for taking the time to speak out!

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 08:25 PM

74. President Obama quote in 2015..

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 08:56 PM

76. Busting the stereotype

For as long as I can remember, I have heard the stereotype that Jews control America. It never occurred to me that it was anti-Semitic, and in fact, the data I saw definitely showed that there were several Jewish people with a lot of money (billionaires), and that they had invested in a wide range of industries, including the media and the entertainment industry.

Now, having gotten my first post deleted, I decided to get some perspective.

I want to take a moment to say that I am African-American, and have been the target of numerous stereotypes around poverty and violent crime. It takes a lot of work not to buy into the stereotype that black people are poor or violent criminals. After all, there is a disproportionate rate of poverty among black people, and a disproportionate rate of violent crime among black people. HOWEVER, most black people are not poor, and most black people are not criminals. So while the data indicates that poor black people exist and violent black people exist, the data also shows that most of the black people you will encounter are not poor and are not violent.

So, at any rate, here are some things that Ii found.

1.) 44% of all American Jews make over $100,000 a year. This is from the Pew Research Group. One of the other things they point out is that 36% of all Hindus make over $100,000 a year and 35% of all Episcopalians make over $100,000 a year. So, if you’re going to point to this statistic about Jewish people, you also have to point to Hindus and Episcopalians. The data further broke down groups under $30K. 16% of all Jewish people are poor, or in near poverty. Something else to consider when it comes to busting stereotypes.

2.) According to www.timesofisrael.org, 10 Jewish people are on Forbes top 50 billionaires list. According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, www.jta.org, 139 Jewish people (openly identified as Jews either personally or by their giving) are on Forbes top 400 list. Famous names include Adelson, Bloomberg, Zuckenberg, Geffen, Soros.

I found an article that puts that “data" into perspective well. The gist of it is: 261 people on that list are not Jewish. If you have a problem with the top 400, aim it at them all, not just the ones who are Jewish.

Here is the article, with some snippets.
[link:https://washingtonsblog.com/2017/09/really-true-americas-richest-1-overwhelmingly-jewish.html|]

So, amongst the richest 10% of the Forbes 400 richest Americans — and that’s the richest 40 of them — 13, or 32.5%, would (or at least might) have qualified as “Jews” in Hitler’s Germany. The rest definitely would not. That isn’t “overwhelmingly jewish,” and it’s not even mostly Jewish


Why are so many readers obsessed with ‘Jews’, as being subjects for special blame, absolving all non-‘Jews’ — even non-‘Jews’ who are far richer than 99.9% of Jews (according to any definition)? And, why are they blaming those 99.9% who are ‘Jews’, but who are not at all super-rich?

how can any person who has a brain, simply ignore the barbarizms by the Christians who constituted the vast majority of America’s aristocracy, throughout American history. There are good and bad people of all religions, and of no religion, and of every nationality. The group is irrelevant.


Progress can’t be made, when and where bigots are common. Why do bigots ignore the aristocracy, and focus instead against “Jews,” “Muslims,” “Blacks,” “Chinese,” etc.? This is a deflection, of blame (and, clearly, the blame belongs to the richest 1% — the “oligarchy” or “aristocracy” — and doesn’t belong to any ethnic or cultural minority). It’s a deflection, of blame, quite specifically, away from aristocrats themselves, and onto vulnerable groups within the general public, instead.



So. I am schooled. First, most Jews are not in the 1%. Second, Jews are not the majority of the 1%.

There were some other statistics that I saw that bear note.

This from www.pbs.org from last year.

What is the status of anti-Semitism in the United States?
The Anti-Defamation League says there were 941 anti-Semitic incidents in the United States in 2015. That was up three percent over 2014 but down from the peak of 1,554 incidents in 2006. The ADL classified 56 of the incidents as assaults, 377 as vandalism and 508 as harassment and threats. One of the largest increases in incidents was on college campuses, where in 2015, there were 90 anti-Semtic incidents reported on 60 different campuses – a 92 percent increase over 2014.

The FBI also tracks hate crimes in the United States. Its 2015 report showed that Jews were the most frequent target of anti-religious hate crimes. Of the 1,402 anti-religious hate crimes reported in 2015, over half (52.1 percent) were committed because of anti-Jewish bias. That was more than twice the number of incidents committed against the second most-targeted religious group. 21.9 percent of anti-religious hate crimes were because of anti-Muslim bias.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #76)

Sat Oct 27, 2018, 08:59 PM

77. Thank you for doing this research and posting here.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #77)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 02:25 AM

79. I'm really struggling with this.

I am starting to think that I must be anti-Semitic. I never thought I was. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood, I have Jewish friends. And yet, the most telling two facts are "I have bought into the stereotype". And the worst one, I tolerate Louis Farrakhan. icannot think of anyone who spews more anti-Semitic vitriol than Louis Farrakhan. He is probably the reason why I and possibly other African-Americans buy into the stereotype of a Jewish conspiracy. We are so thirsty for his message of self-help and black empowerment, that we are blind to his ugliness. I honestly can't think of anyone else in the black community with as powerful a voice as Farrakhan.

But I think it's time for me to let him go. To say that his anti-Semitism outweighs the good that he does, the positivity that he brings, the message that he spreads.

There has got to be a way to advocate self-help and empowerment without denigrating an entire people.

In case you can't tell, this is really hard for me.

When I really think about it, he has done a lot of damage. He has made it acceptable for African-Americans to be anti-Semitic. He has planted seeds of negativity, when what should be there is knowledge of the history of collaboration between Jews and African-Americans. I would not be surprised if most African-Americans are ignorant of this history. This is the damage that Farrakhan has done.

It's getting easier.

If I am going to stand up against anti-Semiticism, I need to talk to other African-Americans about Louis Farrakhan. And that the bad outweighs the good.

Wish me luck. I think this is going to be a hard sell.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #79)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 05:25 AM

83. If you educate or change even

one mind, you're talking about doing very important work. Never forget that and know there are those of us who will love you for that.

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Response to qwlauren35 (Reply #79)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:30 PM

86. Your sentence sums it up very well:

There has got to be a way to advocate self-help and empowerment without denigrating an entire people

Fascists build power by appealing to "their people" while vilifying "other" people. But all the fascists do is swap one form of dependency for another. True empowerment comes from encouraging everybody to achieve their dreams, and giving them the skills and environment with which to succeed, not by blaming others.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #86)

Mon Oct 29, 2018, 03:34 PM

94. Hey Yardwork

I wanted to share this with you. The relationship between blacks and Jews is very complicated, and I wanted you to have some idea of the seeds of our anti-Semitism, even though it's wrong.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/black-jewish-relations-in-the-united-states


https://www.democraticunderground.com/118766153

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 12:06 PM

84. 16 cases of white-supremacist killings since Trump was inaugurated

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #84)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 03:40 PM

87. Dylan Roof shot up an African-American church in 2015 because he wanted to start a race war

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Response to oberliner (Reply #87)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:56 PM

91. SPLC warns of massive uptick in hate crimes against the Jewish community since 2016 election

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 04:11 PM

88. Thanks for a thoughtful post. I have elderly

Polish Catholic relatives who grew up in a culture of anti-Semitism. Several have now done DNA testing that has revealed Jewish heritage going way back. Quite an eye opener for them.

We are all in this life together and should be focused on the common humanity that unites us, not the blurry racial, ethic, and religious lines that serve only to divide.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 04:58 PM

89. Anti-Semitism isn't new

It wasn't invented by Trump. In fact, it wasn't invented by Hitler either. But both of those, whether or not they themselves were anti-semites, used hatred and fear to stir up what was simmering below the surface.

I'm not directly comparing the two. Hitler had the easier job; anti-semitism was very much out in the open in Europe in the 1930s. Trump has to at least appear to condemn it and does so only after a tragedy like the Tree of Life Synagogue massacre. Clearly it's awkward for him.

In both Nazi German and America, fascism and its inevitable consequences don't happen in a vacuum. Fear of the "other" begets hatred. Hatred begets more hatred and its ugly, dangerous consequences.

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Response to yardwork (Original post)

Sun Oct 28, 2018, 09:42 PM

90. Jewish leaders in #Pittsburgh pen powerful letter to Trump.

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #90)

Mon Oct 29, 2018, 10:38 AM

92. That is an excellent message.

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