If we take the House (Removed my opinion for you all that can't handle it.)

[doc03]

Last edited Sat Oct 20, 2018, 05:34 PM - Edit history (1)

this caravan thing has to be the first damn investigation. Someone connected to this administration or Russians have orchestrated it.
How can this happen twice, first when Trump was trying to get funding for his wall now right before the mid-terms this stinks big time.

[hlthe2b]

1. You don't think we will take the House? Wow, what a Debbie Downer post....

[Iggo]

4. He might be a Gloomy Gus.

You don't know!

[Hortensis]

10. The reason for stating that is unexplained, certainly,

but I already voted in any case.

[doc03]

18. I voted too on Oct 10th

but I hear what were Democrats now backing Trump and his racist agenda. So is it against the law to think we may not win.
If anything my post should motivate people to get out and vote. I didn't think Hillary would win in Ohio and was met by the same
BS about we have this in the bag. Well who won in Ohio in 2016. Sorry if the truth offends anyone.

[Hortensis]

22. No, you do NOT hear that as truth. Unless on Facebook perhaps

or some other source of RW propaganda?

The Democrats who were going to back Trump already did. I've been avoiding propaganda and checking honorable sites, and they report that some of those who were once Democrats but voted Trump in 2016 are coming back, or at least abandoning Trump.

[doc03]

24. I hear that that from real live breathing Democrats I don't do Facebook

or Twitter or watch Fox.

[Hortensis]

27. Yet you stated it not as statements from a couple of people

you associate with but as a national trend. This is why we need our schools to teach people to know how to reason, not just react.

I recently tried to gently suggest to someone that milk boxes that "smelled funny" in his school lunches was probably not the cause of his pancreatic cancer, but I know he'll die believing a corrupt school system serving "the corporations" killed him.

[pnwmom]

36. People who are discouraged are LESS likely to vote, not more. Negative posts

encourage people to give up.

[Socal31]

6. We needed more Debbie Downers in MI, WI, PA, FL, OH, etc during the last election.

I don't know what the right dose of optimism vs. pessimism is to keep voters from getting complacent and thinking they don't have to turn out, but I do know that nobody else has figured it out either. Maybe I'm just jumpy any time I see eerie parallels to the discussions that were happening in 2016. We are even quoting statistical predictions as gospel again without the caveats that everyone needs to vote.

[hlthe2b]

9. No, "WE" aren't. Some of us are canvassing, registering, monitoring for voter intimidation,

informing, offering rides to polls, countering misleading editorials, calling, demanding deceptive and false political ads be taken down, and working to MOTIVATE those who have not voted before.

So, I'll put MY efforts and those of all the COMMITTED DUERS against your promotion of demoralized "reality" ANY DAY of the week.

When I see these kind of "downer" posts, I really have to ask: what is the purpose? It sure as hell isn't helping.

[Socal31]

13. Was not attacking you, so I apologize if that is how you took it.

Reading what you are doing to help just made my day, and it is appreciated more than I can convey.

However, my point stands. Being pessimistic just to be a wet-blanket is unnecessary. But acting as if it is a done deal is exactly what can throw off the statistical models used in polling. Particularly with those who don't have personal transportation, or with limited resources, who tend to be young and vote with us.

[JI7]

23. nope, they do nothing to help turnout. one can focus on the importance

of actually getting out and voting without being a useless debbie downer.

and then there is the issue of attacks on the election system and voter suppression.

[pnwmom]

37. Not true. Debbie Downers take away hope and DISCOURAGE voting. n/t

[trueblue2007]

15. reason this thread deserves to be removed.

[spooky3]

2. 538 may make you feel better about our chances (now up to 6 in 7):

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/house/?ex_cid=midterms-header

[Kajun Gal]

3. Really! Debbie Downer!

[Scruffy1]

5. I don't think the caravan matters.

The racist anti immigration die hards are really solid votes for Republicans and I don't think it's going to change any "independent" voters. It just gives the fascist wannabees more red meat for thir base, but they are just preaching to the choir. They already have their vote and they turn out already.I think that the 24 year long Repbulican run is clutching at straws as they have painted themselves in the corner and their base is dying, literally.

[lunamagica]

7. What do you think, that these people were paid? There are thousands of them

They are desperate. Those mothers and children, everyone, they are REAL people in pain.

[eleny]

8. "Always with the negative waves, Moriarity"

[hlthe2b]

12. So, loved him in that role...

[malaise]

11. +1,000

This is orchestrated by RWs.

[doc03]

14. So instead of believing Republicans are capable of an October surprise

like this you all go bonkers because I have doubts about taking the House. I was flamed in 2016 for saying Hillary wouldn't take Ohio.
Well I rest my case.

[YessirAtsaFact]

16. That doesn't mean you are right now.

nm

[doc03]

19. Never said I was just stated my opinion and you

know what they say about opinions.

[Ms. Toad]

17. Are you aware these caravans have been going on for 15 years, at least?

This is not new in the Trump administrations, nor does it have anything to do with Russia, or Trump.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/who-s-behind-migrant-caravan-drew-trump-s-ire-n862566

Trump is, nowever, capitalizing on racial animus in publicizing long-existing caravans.

[doc03]

20. They never made the MSM 24/7 before. nt

[Ms. Toad]

25. You are correct about that -

but shouldn't we be aware if that many people are so desperate to find safe haven that they are joining them?

I'm not going to blame the mainstream news for making us aware of a phenomenon that humane people should have been aware of (any more than I'm going to pretend the first pictures of children in cages were from the Obama era).

Sunshine is good. It can definitely be uncomfortable when the sunshine discloses things that do not fit our narrative - but the solution is to address it and acknowledge blame on our part (if appropriate) not to shove it back under the rug. Our record on immigration, as Ameriocans - regardless of political party, is pretty bad. We don't have the high moral ground from which to condemn Trump - but the fact that our side also made mistakes is not a reason to blame the media for exposing such matters at politically inconvenient times.

[panader0]

26. Thank you for making the point I was going to say.

I live about 15 miles, as the crow flies, from the border. I have seen, fed, watered
clothed and helped these folks for years. Every single one was a good person.
I look at people and decide who and what they are.
The number of crossers has gone down hugely in the last 15 or so years.
The problems in Central America can be traced to the US, The United Fruit
Company, John Foster Dulles and greed.

[louis c]

21. We will take the House

Stop with your negative BS.

[Squinch]

28. LOL! It isn't that they can't handle your opinion. It's that they think you're wrong.

Looks like you removed your opinion because you didn't want to handle THEIR opinion.

[doc03]

29. Well heard that before in 2016, Debbie Downer, We got this,

Your concern is noted. Who was right then? I have a right to my opinion and so do you.

HAVE I MADE ANY COMMENTS ABOUT ANYONE ELSE OR CALLED ANYONE ANY NAMES BECAUSE THEY HAVE
ANOTHER OPINION? Grow up.

[Squinch]

30. Lol! My opinion seems to have upset you.

You don't seem to be able to handle it.

[doc03]

33. I will be the first one that says thank God I was wrong if

Democrats gain control of the House. I think it will motivate voters more to get off their ass and vote
from my comments rather saying it's in the bag we got it won. Making crazy predictions of a 60 seat majority
like some I have read on DU will give people the feeling their vote doesn't matter.

[Squinch]

35. You seem to be missing the point of my posts.

You scoff that others "can't handle" your opinion while you froth at the mouth over opinions that differ from yours.

"Grow up" indeed.

[Iggo]

31. I thought I handled it quite nicely.

[shanny]

32. that must be why they have been doing it for 10 years or more

[Wounded Bear]

34. It's not a caravan, it's an exodus...

and it happens more often than you might think.