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Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:11 AM

It's not mental illness, Kanye is just an asshole...

Sure, heís most definitely an untreated manic-depressive with delusions of grandeur. But heís also an attention seeking narcissist whoís trying to ride Trumpís dick as much as Trump is trying to ride Kanyeís.

If thereís one thing that these two guys are experts on, itís making dick moves.

He knows exactly what heís up to. He simply doesnít care about the negative feedback, except for it being something that he believes that he can exploit for personal gain. Itís pure assholelism, thatís for sure.

Kanyeís main problem is that he has no one around him to curb his impulse control. All because everyone around him does nothing other than to exploit him. His clear lack of introspection prevents him from realizing that he has a problem. His entire modus operandi is to deny that heíd dealing with issues beyond his own control.

And those are just his problems on a personal level. Thereís more...

With his untreated manic-depression and the fact that heís in constant contact with professional grifters, it wonít be long until weíre hearing that heís been cheated for millions of dollars by the people within his closest circles.

Fame is fleeting and heís going out of his way to alienate the people who finance his lavish lifestyle, his fans. When you have people pining for the ďold Kanye,Ē especially in terms of his music, itís a clear sign that his current releases arenít cutting it for his fans. Heís turning them away, and thatís simply with his music.

His political shenanigans and manic outbursts of utter ignorance sours him to his former fans as well, not to mention others in the music industry. He clearly doesnít know what heís talking about at any given time and heís definitely not receptive to even constructive criticism. He views all of it as an attack. Controversy will only get you so far if no one wants to work with you and your product sounds lackluster. One decent track out of his latest release screams disappointment.

Kanye is headed for a big fall. His association with Trump is fueling the fire for future disappointment. Merely because itís generally known that everything that Trump touches, dies. Most of all, his mouth is writing a lot of checks that his ass wonít be able to cash. And thatís not even pointing out his clear lack of a long term strategy.

In less than ten years, in all likelihood, heíll end up as an afterthought in both wealth and fame. Does anyone really believes that Kim K. would stick with him if that were to happen? Nope.

So, all in all, I would decline to blame his overall aberrant behavior on his mental condition. In spite of it, being mentally ill isnít an excuse for being an asshole. Heís definitely an asshole all the way and heís pretty much the first person to admit that.

Thatís clearly a sign that he knows exactly what heís doing, even though heís too freakiní ignorant to understand why itís all wrong.

As an aside, Iíve made it clear that heís no longer welcome on my insignificant little radio program. Although it wonít affect his bottom line one way or the other, my only motivation for not playing his music comes from my pledge to not enable his assholistic language and antics.

Take care, yíall.

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Reply It's not mental illness, Kanye is just an asshole... (Original post)
MrScorpio Oct 12 OP
Sherman A1 Oct 12 #1
Roy Rolling Oct 12 #13
Wounded Bear Oct 12 #2
SummerSnow Oct 12 #3
machoneman Monday #48
oasis Oct 12 #4
Midnight Writer Oct 12 #5
watoos Oct 12 #6
tblue37 Oct 12 #10
BigmanPigman Oct 12 #27
joshdawg Oct 12 #7
mountain grammy Oct 12 #8
tblue37 Oct 12 #9
Politicub Oct 12 #11
True Blue American Oct 12 #12
Gothmog Oct 12 #14
Cha Oct 12 #29
-Steph- Oct 12 #15
Texin Oct 12 #16
Ms. Toad Oct 12 #26
loyalsister Saturday #33
Ms. Toad Saturday #35
loyalsister Saturday #37
Ms. Toad Saturday #38
loyalsister Sunday #42
Ms. Toad Sunday #43
loyalsister Sunday #44
Ms. Toad Sunday #47
nolabear Oct 12 #17
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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:14 AM

1. Precisely

and well said.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:03 AM

13. Both Brain Damaged

Like Kavanaugh, the part of their brain that controls impulses and empathy isn't showing up for work like it should.

The problem is there always, sometimes medication can supply that self-control. But it's a weakness that disqualifies a person from public service. Lacking empathy and self-control while employed as a public servant is a recipe for disaster.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:19 AM

2. Yeah, both of them are using each other...

Kanye wants another 15 minutes of fame.

Both of them are assholes.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:02 AM

3. Spot on. You hit the nail on the head.

When I watched that clip of his ranting, Trump was even looking at him like omg this guy is batty.

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Response to SummerSnow (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 15, 2018, 09:36 AM

48. You could almost replace Kanye's name with Trump's in the entire write-up and....

it wouldn't be wrong at all!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:08 AM

4. Who would want to work with this guy after such a performance?

He's toast.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:16 AM

5. Yeah, I am no expert, but hasn't Kanye always been this way?

How long ago was the South Park episode in which he was mocked for his manic rants?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:20 AM

6. I thought that Kanye admitted he was bipolar?

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Response to watoos (Reply #6)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:44 AM

10. He now claims he was misdiagnosed, that he was just sleep deprived. nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:50 PM

27. That statement alone tells me that he needs help.

Isn't this the same sort of statement Roseanne made? She blamed her sleep medication as well as other things for her off the rails rants even though she admits to having a mental illness.

You can be BOTH a jackass and a person with mental health issues at the same time.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:26 AM

7. I'd like to find a republican who is not

infected with "assholism."

just sayin'

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:27 AM

8. Obama said "he's a jackass"

a few years ago. Works for me

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:43 AM

9. This: "being mentally ill isn't an excuse for being an asshole." It's exactly what Pete Davidson sai

about Kanye on SNL.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:55 AM

11. Yes. This.

He knows exactly what he is doing. It's not from an illness.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:58 AM

12. Wasn't Kanye

On the verge of bankruptcy just a short while ago?

Trump looked like an ignorant ass sitting there smiling while people were fighting for their lives in Florida. He is a pathetic piece of humanity.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:34 AM

14. Kanye needs to go back on his meds

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #14)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:24 PM

29. Kanye West's comments today about African Americans and welfare were as objectively false

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:24 AM

15. It's a combination of all of it I think. Mental health issues combined with

being surrounded by yes men and exploitation for his own personal gain and attention. On some level, he also probably genuinely thinks he is the one person that can go in and just miraculously make change happen merely by bestowing upon us and the President his awe-inspiring wisdom. However, I think that clearly goes back to his narcissism and mental health issues.

It's obvious that Trump is exploiting Kanye, thinking it can get him some African American votes. Trump has clearly underestimated the black community if he thinks they're anything like his brainwashed supporters, where he can just dangle a shiny object to distract them from reality. The Republicans have consistently sought to suppress and disenfranchise people of color in this country and there's no distracting them from that. They have to live with the consequences every single day. It's actually disgusting and offensive to me that Trump and his cronies even pulled that stunt knowing that they have zero interest in doing anything at all that would even remotely elevate the lives of black people in this country.

This administration sinks to a new low every single day.






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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:25 AM

16. Yeah, he's an asshole. But he's an asshole with bipolar disorder.

The "delusions of grandeur" that Mr. Scorpio speaks of is not exclusively attributable to assholes. It is one of the most significant indications of escalation into a manic attack (or being in the middle of such an attack) of those affected by the type of bipolar disease that is on the mania spectrum. I know this because my stepson is bipolar and is affected with manic episodes rather than the depressive state that sometimes follows episodes of mania in those who exhibit both symptoms of the spectrum. And my stepson is not an asshole or usually one to have "delusions of grandeur". He only acts this way when he is either verging on or at the height of a manic episode. Kanye West may indeed be an asshole. Great fame and wealth can do that to people. His hero tRump is a flaming asshole (and may or may not have some sort of undiagnosed mental or personality disorder, though I'd argue to the contrary there). But Kanye, in addition to being an asshole, is also a person with a mental disease, and his type of disease will definitely exacerbate his "assholeness" when he's not medicated. And it will make him a particular target of users and cons of the ilk of his buddy, Mr. tRump , the modern P.T. Barnum, who is always looking for another of the "there's a sucker born every minute" to exploit.

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Response to Texin (Reply #16)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 08:09 PM

26. Thank you.

I don't want to stigmatize people with mental health disorders. BUT this particular mental health disorder is particularly and creates or exascerbates pretty much everything we've seen in West recently.

My nephew and a close family friend both have bipolar disorder. Recognizing it in this case is not the same as blaming every gun nut's behavior on being mentally ill. It is acknowleding that a specific mental health disorder is associated with manifestations of specific character traits - precisely - those that he is displaying.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 01:58 PM

33. Maybe if "off their meds" was not a punchline

But it is. Calling someone mentally ill is a long standing way to label someone as dangerous or a target for ridicule. Only recently have we begun to realize that using stigmatized conditions as insults or vehicles for humor is problematic.
Recognizing it then attributing a truly bizarre incident to illness rather than entertaining the possibility that he showed up to the White House and didn't follow social conventions because..... he rejects them altogether? Doesn't think he should have to follow any? Doesn't see them as valid?
All some of the same objections I have heard to "political correctness." If that's how he sees it, it makes sense that he thought it would be okay or even appreciated in the Trump Whitehouse. I think he's just another Trump supporter who sees him as an everyman because he doesn't care about basic decency.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #33)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:50 PM

35. He has been diagnosed as bipolar.

His behavior is consistent with everything I know about bipolar disorder - including my first hand experience with people living with that disorder.

There is a vast difference between connecting the dots of behavior we have witnessed - and a known medical diagnosis that is consistent with that behavior - and attributing all bad behavior to mental illness.

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #35)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:16 PM

37. Why does that matter?

He acted like a jerk. Lack of self awareness, impulsiveness, pressured speech are all symptoms. The things he said were not. Whatever drives him to say and think such things is probably more just about being a jerk.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #37)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:31 PM

38. It matters because if we had adequate health care and treatment

for people with bipolar disease, many of them would not act like jerks (and all of the other characteristics that are driven by the manic side of biplar disorder).

For example, when my gentle, gifted, funny nephew is manic, he has fantasies of hurting or killing people and enjoying it - that is what finally drove hem to treatment. When he is not manic, he is disgusted by the thought of things that seemed like fun to him when he was manic. Thank God he never got to the point of carrying out any of his fantasies.

So it matters because I believe Kanye's untreated (by his own admission) diagnosed bipolar disorder is driving much of what we saw in the oval office - and I don't believe he would behave that way if he were treated/we had adequate treatment for bipolar disorder.

Just as it is not appropriate to attribute all vile behaviro to mental illness, it is also imporant to recognize when it is likely the source of the behavior, so we don't throw people away because their disease drives them to act in a certain manner.

Here's a more concrete example. People with Tourette's sometimes blurt out very vile, racist things. We can recognize the behavior is driven by Tourette's syndrome (and recognize the person is not racist at core) OR we can say they are just a racist (and Tourette's was driving the blurtting out - but that the content was the result of inherent racsim).

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #38)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 12:06 PM

42. Not sure how this is helpful

As we see even in this thread, turning people into mascots for mental health is a great set up for ridicule and demonization of mental illness. In some cases that is especially true when there is a bias against that person because of their beliefs.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #42)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:16 PM

43. Because when un/under-treated mental health conditions

Cause behavior that is otherwise reprehensible, recognizing the source of the behavior makes it more likely that the person will not be demonized for behavior they cannot control. (E.g. everyone in this thread insisting that Kanye is just a jerk, rather than a person who needs better mental health care.)

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Response to Ms. Toad (Reply #43)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:17 PM

44. And yet

"Of his meds" is still a punchline. It will continue to be if people mistakenly believe that focusing on mental illness in response to behavior most people are not familiar with is somehow helpful. This is a counterproductive way to raise awareness, especially when pathologizing bad ideas diminishes the actual danger and power they can have.

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Response to loyalsister (Reply #44)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:44 PM

47. There is a difference between assuming that bad behavior is due to mental illness

When there is no basis to believe the individual is mentally ill, and insisting in the face of a diagnosed mental illness, disclosed rejection of treatment, and behavior consistent with that specific illness that the behavior is unrelated to his mental health - that's he is just a jerk.

That's the difference between using tourette's syndrone as a punchline (as it has been on DU recently), and recognizing that an individual with Tourette's spewing racist comments isn't able to control that aspect of his expression.

It's really not rocket science.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:45 AM

17. I wrote a long opposing/not opposing post on this that nobody read.

You say right away that he is mmentally ill but is also a jackass. I agree. Bipolar I is a monster, and as a retired therapist he certainly seems that way to me. But what you do when youíre in a manic state depends somewhat on your personality, your life, and what those around you encourage and enable.

But Iíd bet money on the diagnosis except for one thing-Iíve never seen him off camera. If heís like that when not in Ye mode Iíd make the bet. And feel some sympathy.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #17)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 01:18 PM

30. As a Therapist

What do you think of this? Could his illness make him do this? I am seriously asking.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #30)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 01:27 PM

31. I don't know. It's possible but it could be other things too.

As I said you can be bipolar AND an entitled asshole too. That screed at the WH has so many markers-things that connect together in a way but get really tangential and have ďloose associationsĒ. You can hear him use a string of words that sound alike but donít really connect, see him mentally runnalong a thread that connects things in a way but he is going so fast he canít make those connections fleshed out and thorough.

The Taylor Swift thing is so brief I canít see a pattern. Of course I saw it and I know it was an early off-the-rails moment but I canít say anything for sure.

Itís a pity. Underneath all that I think he has some real talent. Sadly he doesnít seem able to have judgment these days.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:19 AM

18. Actually, Kanye is job hunting

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Between his current album not making waves, his merchandise sales plunging, and his moving to Chicago without his wife and children, he's about to lose his job as the spouse of a Krap-Trashy-an!


rocktivity

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:18 PM

19. "dick moves" and "assholeism"

describes them both fine, in my view.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 04:20 PM

20. What happens when you hang arround the KardASSians

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 04:23 PM

21. sounds like Elvis

Kanyeís main problem is that he has no one around him to curb his impulse control. All because everyone around him does nothing other than to exploit him.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 04:58 PM

22. K&R, yup, whatever his Dx, ideology is not involved.

He could just as much pin his condition on any random subject. It's just irritating that his subject happens to be politics/ideology.






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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:01 PM

23. I think it's both since his thoughts aren't even..

coherent half the time. But he is as asshole who has delusions of grandeur. That makes his meltdowns worse.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:29 PM

24. "Mental illness" in the public scene is only for white people who shoot up places anyway

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:53 PM

25. 'nother K

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:21 PM

28. Kanye West's comments today about African Americans and welfare were as objectively false



Good on You, MrScorpio, Not playing Kanye's music on your radio show. Thank You!

I can't imagine KK Not being embarrassed by her husband.. but that's just me.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 01:45 PM

32. I actually take him at his word that he's going to run for office someday.

Not because I believe he actually gives a shit about politics or public service or anything like that, but because he seems to have the same personality disorder that Trump does: he's a fucked-up narcissist that will do ANYTHING to stay in the limelight.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:00 PM

34. It's both.

But, even if his mental illness gets treated, he'll still be an asshole.

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Response to GoCubsGo (Reply #34)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:23 PM

45. Exactly

That's why it is a bad idea to focus on mental illness. Conflating bad ideas with behavioral symptoms does nothing to bring understanding and empathy to perceptions of mental illness.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 03:03 PM

36. I used to be such a fan of Kanye

I really liked his earlier albums. I was so proud that he was from Chicago. But then he was silent for so long about stuff happening in Chicago and I kept hoping he'd do something.

The part of me that wants the old Kanye back ("George Bush doesn't care about black people" wants to think he's just being a troll to get into the White House to talk about prison reform. But then again he praised Candace Owens and is pushing the MAGA crap to much.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:22 PM

39. UPDATE: Kanye's Internet blackout is over

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 02:27 AM

40. It's true I've seen a lot more Kanye since...

...he started wearing that asshole hat. I'm not a hip hop fan so I was seldom exposed to West, or any Kardashians for that matter.

I guess if he's looking for publicity, it's working.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 10:22 AM

41. We too casually label someone as mentally ill as a result of their aberrant behavior.

That goes for Trump as well. He is not mentally ill either, but he is an entitled, self centered, power hungry and greedy asshole and liar. Labeling him as mentally ill gives him a pass on his choosing his words, behavior, and actions.

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Response to elocs (Reply #41)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 09:36 PM

46. AND worse

It eclipses the actual danger and destructive nature of the content within their words and actions. I think it's no accident in some cases. Like when Trump was railing about how he would have won the popular vote if not for voter fraud. People were focused on the like and how "crazy" and dumb he is. Now in person voter fraud has become something people believe happens regularly, and it has been the basis for imposing additional limits on voting rights.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Tue Oct 16, 2018, 08:36 AM

49. Are you in a position to determine that Kanye does not have bipolar disorder?

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