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Fri Oct 12, 2018, 12:26 AM

"Hillary made me feel emasculated"

While I can't explain Kanye, I do know he's a grown ass man and makes his choices.

Maybe it's mental illness, maybe blaming mental illness is the wrong approach. Maybe he has been an asshole and cornball all along, and blaming mental illness is pathologizing his personality flaws.

Prior to 2016, Kanye was known to revel in being offensive. He lacked humility and a sense of boundaries. At times that produced some good art ( an opinion some won't share but art, after all, is a matter of taste, and I've enjoyed some of his work) Bucking social norms and being contrarian is nothing new for artists.

At times Kanye's antics have been amusing and good for dank memes, but what I'm seeing no longer makes me laugh.

His reasoning for supporting Trump was fucked up but honest. It's the most honest reveal from a Trump supporter I've ever come across:

It all boils down to: "Trump made me feel like a real man, and any focus on women emasculates me", it doesn't get more accurate than that when it comes to 2016.

See also:

"All this talk about black lives matter makes me feel uncomfortable so I'll vote Trump"
"All this talk about dreamers makes me feel left out so I'll vote Trump"
"All this talk about people who don't look like me is a waste of my time"

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Reply "Hillary made me feel emasculated" (Original post)
JHan Oct 12 OP
dchill Oct 12 #1
Tavarious Jackson Oct 12 #2
JHan Oct 12 #3
Separation Oct 12 #4
JHan Oct 12 #5
nolabear Oct 13 #36
Separation Oct 13 #37
Hortensis Oct 12 #6
moondust Oct 12 #7
brer cat Oct 12 #8
uriel1972 Oct 12 #9
VOX Oct 12 #10
JHan Oct 12 #13
InAbLuEsTaTe Oct 12 #11
oasis Oct 12 #12
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 12 #22
oasis Oct 12 #24
JHan Oct 13 #39
zentrum Oct 13 #41
TheBlackAdder Oct 12 #14
B Stieg Oct 12 #15
JHan Oct 12 #16
Nitram Oct 12 #17
WeekiWater Oct 12 #18
ismnotwasm Oct 12 #19
Cha Oct 12 #20
JHan Oct 13 #29
Cha Oct 13 #31
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 12 #21
JohnnyRingo Oct 12 #23
EleanorR Oct 12 #25
JHan Oct 13 #27
sheshe2 Oct 12 #26
JHan Oct 13 #28
BlueStater Oct 13 #30
no_hypocrisy Oct 13 #32
JHan Oct 13 #33
hatrack Oct 13 #34
Dyedinthewoolliberal Oct 13 #35
SWBTATTReg Oct 14 #42
jonfers9 Oct 13 #38
gopiscrap Oct 15 #43
Beartracks Oct 13 #40

Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:17 AM

1. Puke. Vomit. Upchuck. Hurl!

Kanye doesn't wanna feel like a girl.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:44 AM

2. Many men on the left and the right felt this about Hillary.

Hillary is AWESOME that way! She truly does hold a lot of power over men. Not me... I love her.

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Response to Tavarious Jackson (Reply #2)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 03:09 AM

3. ah you cast my mind back to those days..

when we'd get accused of supporting "vagina politics" lol "vagina voters" "you're only supporting her cuz she's a woman"

feels like a lifetime ago. lol.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 03:24 AM

4. I think most artists are

This is just my opinion of course, but I think that certain artists all share a common trait of some sort of mental issue going on. Look at all the really big ones and how strange they acted. Van Gogh, Hemmingway, Virginia Woolf, Michael Jackson, Amy Winehouse, and even Anthony Bourdain.

I think the same demons that haunt them are the same demons that give them such a creative side.

That doesnt excuse Kanye in anyway, I just believe he has some sort of mental issues going on.

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Response to Separation (Reply #4)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 04:07 AM

5. Yes...

and Kanye had trash episodes before 2016.

What we also saw yesterday is how Trump attracts ( and manipulates) Broken people.

To think that this is the same Kanye who once rapped..

"I'm so appalled Spalding ball,
Baldin' Donald Trump, takin' dollars from y'all
Baby your fired, your girlfriend hired
But if you don't mind I'ma keep you on call
We above the law, we don't give a fuck bout y'all
I got dogs that'll chew a fuckin' whole through the wall" -

way back in 2010, possibly the best lyrical assessment of the Trump phenomenon I've ever heard before Trump became TRUMP.

I'm still uncomfortable just blaming "mental illness" for all this, but if Kanye is floridly ill I truly hope he gets the help he needs.

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Response to Separation (Reply #4)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:16 AM

36. I don't think most are but some are. Ever read Kay Redfield Jamison?

She’s a psychiatrist, is bipolar I herself, and writes really convincingly about her own, others’, and artists’ manias.

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Response to nolabear (Reply #36)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 12:52 PM

37. I have not, but thank you for the suggestion

I'll definitely add it to my reading list. 👍🏻

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 04:25 AM

6. Yes. Or stated another way, best guess West is an

attention-seeking authoritarian, of course grabbing this opportunity to milk attention from of his acceptance of Trump as his leader, while mostly deflecting attention away from approval of Trump's despicable actions.

And don't they imagine Hillary's great for that. He could have just said "lock her up" but instead went for something equally hackneyed but very male directed. Sounded to me like he's seeking commonality with the white men who make up most of Trump's misogynistic mob.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 04:59 AM

7. Juvenile authoritarians

are devoted to their strongman king who has always had his eye on becoming king. The king makes them feel strong.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:10 AM

8. Thanks for sharing your insight.

Kayne is beyond my understanding.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:19 AM

9. You can be an A$$hole and be mentally ill... nt

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:38 AM

10. That's a completely fucked-up excuse, but at least that idiot spoke it out loud and on the media...

And for the average Neanderthal, it’s regrettably their ignorant “truth”— unenlightened men no doubt feel threatened by the mere existence of informed, intelligent, capable, savvy women— instead, their brains short out with faulty information that’s been drummed in by an overbearing father, or some hyper-fundamentalist church pastor, or other weak-minded yet influential men.

It’s a big, simmering problem, you can see men (especially young men) falling behind and struggling in our culture. Economically and socially, they haven’t had any decent modeling or guidance, and they can’t get much traction, so they look for scapegoats, namely POC and women. And with the King Asshole in the WH, they’ve struck it rich: a prez who hates women and blacks and Mexicans, etc. He’s from the city but he’s a good ol’ boy.

But this “feeling threatened” or sadder yet, “emasculated” by sharp, capable women is a loser’s gambit. Anyone with half a functioning brain cell could grasp that womens’ time is finally coming around, and things as they are will be reconfigured. There will be MORE women as peers and superiors coming. As a man who’s utterly fed up with other men’s bullshit, I welcome more women into the everyday flow of life. And men? Adapt. Adapt or face extinction.

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Response to VOX (Reply #10)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:47 AM

13. well said ++

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 05:47 AM

11. Fuck Kanye... this dimwit is BEYOND help!!

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 06:05 AM

12. Kanye's an uninformed, full of himself, jerk. Period. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #12)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:57 PM

22. He's a jackass - Barak Obama

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Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Reply #22)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:54 PM

24. I'll go with Obama's take, "jackass" it is. nt

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Response to oasis (Reply #24)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 03:00 PM

39. yup Obama was right.

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Response to JHan (Reply #39)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 08:37 PM

41. ++

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:52 AM

14. Yeah, but factoring in his excessive love for Trump and thoughts on slavery, that doesn't explain it

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 10:23 AM

15. Not mutually exclusive...

"Maybe it's mental illness, maybe blaming mental illness is the wrong approach. Maybe he has been an asshole and cornball all along, and blaming mental illness is pathologizing his personality flaws."

Maybe it's both!

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Response to B Stieg (Reply #15)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:39 AM

16. you're right, it can be both.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:04 PM

17. Any man who feels emasculated at the sight of a confident, knowledgeable, competent woman needs

a good spanking by their mama. Same goes for women who feels threatened by powerful women.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:05 PM

18. I'm going to guess it's because she is smarter, stronger, and more ambitious than he is.

As sexist as it gets.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:18 PM

19. K&R

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:55 PM

20. Wow.. doesn't say much for a person's confidence

in himself if he needs someone as nasty and sexually perverted as trump to boost it.

It sounds like self-absorbed hogwash to me.

Weirdo accosted Taylor Swift on stage in 2009.. now he's pimping for trump and Taylor is speaking out for Democracy.

It's Taylor Swift versus Kanye West again

snip//

Both Swift and West have had equally devoted fan bases, many of whom took sides back in 2009 when West infamously hijacked the microphone from Swift at the MTV Video Music Awards.

Their ensuing bad blood spilled over in 2016, after a dispute over whether or not West cleared song lyrics about Swift with the singer.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/10/08/entertainment/kanye-west-taylor-swift/index.html

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Response to Cha (Reply #20)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:17 AM

29. If you told me years ago that in 2018..

Kanye would be wearing a MAGA hat , and Taylor would be openly pushing for dems to get elected, I wouldn't believe it.

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Response to JHan (Reply #29)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:49 AM

31. I know! It's a funny ol

world.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 02:56 PM

21. How?

Maybe you're just a weenie to begin with Kanye.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 07:30 PM

23. I saw Kanye's art on Saturday Night Live.

Dancing about as condiments like intermission at the drive-in while chanting a forgettable rap is scraping the bottom of the creative barrel.

Unless one is named Alice Cooper wearing a costume is a cheesy gimmick that portends a rapidly spiraling career.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:09 PM

25. you don't know that his reasoning was honest

As far as I can tell he's just another bit of propaganda, trying to appeal to men who need to blame their problems on women. And 2016 boiled down to russian theft of our presidency. Doesn't get more real than that.

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Response to EleanorR (Reply #25)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:10 AM

27. Since sexism was a factor in the election.....

He openly admitted to it, that's really the point I'm making.

Whatever his motivations are for saying so, it's still truth.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 11:30 PM

26. "Trump made me feel like a real man, and any focus on women emasculates me"

Hmmm

So real men love to grab pussy and assault women because he and don feel emasculated? Deprived of your role as a man.

The fuck? You are a snowflake, A pitiful excuse for a man.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #26)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:11 AM

28. The quote is me paraphrasing but yeah, that's it in a nutshell.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:32 AM

30. That says a lot more about him than it does Hillary Clinton.

It's not Hillary's fault you're so pathetically insecure, Kanye.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 05:14 AM

32. Compared to Kris Kardashian and Krew?

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #32)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 05:17 AM

33. looooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 06:02 AM

34. Dude, if you've got a pee-pee problem .. .

Then I'd suggest you start your search for the culprit with a quick stop in front of the nearest mirror.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 09:10 AM

35. If Kanye feels emasculated

by Hillary (or any other woman), that's on him, not her. Talk about a snowflake

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Response to Dyedinthewoolliberal (Reply #35)

Sun Oct 14, 2018, 08:50 PM

42. Absolutely. He emasculates himself. Don't need to say anything at all, and he does all it all ...

to himself.

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 02:56 PM

38. good

 

ya Kanye made no sense to me, as long as he keeps hurting the rethugs I say keep at it. the more he spouts off the better.

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Response to jonfers9 (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 15, 2018, 10:01 AM

43. welcome to DU

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Response to JHan (Original post)

Sat Oct 13, 2018, 03:18 PM

40. Kanye must be quite a wuss if that's all it took. n/t

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