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Seth Abramson: OMG...


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Reply Seth Abramson: OMG... (Original post)
triron Oct 11 OP
leftynyc Oct 11 #1
Grasswire2 Oct 11 #2
leftynyc Oct 11 #4
Stonepounder Oct 11 #9
Hamlette Oct 11 #20
leftynyc Oct 11 #47
olegramps Oct 11 #42
leftynyc Oct 11 #48
Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #46
leftynyc Oct 11 #49
duforsure Oct 11 #50
leftynyc Oct 11 #56
Achilleaze Oct 11 #3
No Vested Interest Oct 11 #17
janterry Oct 11 #5
Cosmocat Oct 11 #6
Pachamama Oct 11 #7
elmac Oct 11 #10
Separation Oct 11 #22
elmac Oct 11 #8
whathehell Oct 11 #55
Garrett78 Oct 11 #11
byronius Oct 11 #13
byronius Oct 11 #12
RainCaster Oct 11 #16
JoeOtterbein Oct 11 #19
iluvtennis Oct 11 #34
lunatica Oct 11 #21
dixiegrrrrl Oct 11 #43
Ohioboy Oct 11 #25
Delphinus Oct 11 #38
Separation Oct 11 #39
spanone Oct 11 #14
lunatica Oct 11 #23
Goodheart Oct 11 #26
bdamomma Oct 11 #28
grantcart Oct 11 #32
bdamomma Oct 11 #33
grantcart Oct 11 #31
magicarpet Oct 11 #40
grantcart Oct 11 #45
magicarpet Oct 11 #51
grantcart Oct 11 #52
magicarpet Oct 11 #53
saidsimplesimon Oct 11 #15
fallout87 Oct 11 #18
bearsfootball516 Oct 11 #27
anarch Oct 11 #24
hibbing Oct 11 #29
bdamomma Oct 11 #35
Bernardo de La Paz Oct 11 #54
pdsimdars Oct 11 #30
bdamomma Oct 11 #36
BamaRefugee Oct 11 #37
magicarpet Oct 11 #41
CloudWatcher Oct 11 #44

Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:32 AM

1. That's a very serious accusation

I assume they have some evidence to back up that dismembering with a bone saw thing.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:39 AM

2. That was all over MSNBC last night. nt

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #2)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:40 AM

4. The evidence or the story? n/t

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

9. Depends on what you consider 'evidence'.

They had security footage if Saudies identified as a 'hit squad' going through arrivals at the airport.

They apparently have 'intelligence information'.

The story came from a 'high ranking' Saudi source.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:46 PM

20. to me the "serious" accusation is Jared knew and could have prevented.

I find the "cut up the body" believable. It's why they showed the journalist inside the cupboards a day or two later to prove he wasn't there. Which I thought odd.

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Response to Hamlette (Reply #20)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:13 PM

47. Let's just say

I don't trust either the Turks or the Saudis and they both have reason to lie. I do believe that the Saudis killed him. But it sounds like the Turks are sensationalizing.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:44 PM

42. The problem is each day brings a crisis that surpasses yesterdays. We live in constant turmoil.

God do I miss President Obama. We only had to endure the vicious right wing attacks. This has become a nightmare. Each day another crisis, scandal, lie after lie. It is total madness. Really just how long can this continue? Is there a tipping point? One straw too many? Its like trying to maintain you balance standing on a sheer precipice in a howling gale.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #42)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:14 PM

48. Oy - me too

I miss "normal". Well, you can't say we NYers didn't try and warn everyone. This administration is aging me. Fast.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #1)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:08 PM

46. Same day, 15 (16?) Saudis arrived before he entered Consulate and left after, same day. . . . nt

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #46)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:16 PM

49. Oy - I'm almost certain they killed him

but I don't trust either the Turks or the Saudis to give the whole truth. They both have reason to lie here.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #49)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:24 PM

50. I don't trust

All three of them , trump , the Turks, and the Saudi's . They're all corrupt , they all are liars, and they all have zero value on a human life and would kill people without a second thought, much like putin. Trump probably knew and approved it, and lying about it now.

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Response to duforsure (Reply #50)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:16 PM

56. Could be

You'd be hard pressed to find any NYer that would put anything past that degenerate.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:39 AM

3. OMG

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:38 PM

17. That's exactly what I said, aloud....

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:42 AM

5. I wish this would 'blow up' but I fear

it will not. Like so many other horrors.

Heartbreaking. And what will Kushner do - the 'genius' (isn't that what Nikki Haley says?) -

If I were him, I'd retire from government asap. I'd recognize that I was out of my depth - and hide in a hole for a few months, crying. When I finally came close to any degree of recovery (and how could I?)

I'd spend my time trying to do what I could to help others.

But what will Kushner do? My guess is that he'll spend Christmas in Aspen.

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Response to janterry (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:48 AM

6. Smarmy POS is there to make $$$

Hes going nowhere until such time as his father in law is fumigated out ...

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Response to janterry (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 11:54 AM

7. Christmas in Aspen

That sounds about right of how Jared will proceed...

This criminal cabal is sickening

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Response to janterry (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

10. us corporate news and the GOP will protect him

it will take enforcement outside the US.

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Response to janterry (Reply #5)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:57 PM

22. Retire!?

Hell he is on the shortlist for ambassador to the U.N.

At least in my mind he is. :tinfoil:

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:00 PM

8. we keep doing business with these monsters because

we have a country run by monsters, the true evil empire.

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Response to elmac (Reply #8)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 05:56 PM

55. Not just us, Europe and much of the industrialized world does business

with them.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:01 PM

11. Do Abramson predictions ever bear out?

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #11)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:22 PM

13. I like how you did that.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:21 PM

12. As it happens I have some minor experience with this exact kind of thing.

I grew up in Dhahran, lived in the South Compound of the University of Petroleum and Minerals. The North Compound was where the Saudi-born dean of the university lived with his wife and two daughters.

One night without warning or statement of any kind, a truckful of armed Saudi military showed up at the dean's door. They hauled him out of his house and into the truck as his wife and daughters looked on in horror.

The North Compound had quite a few Americans living in it -- some witnessed what was happening, but no one interfered. To interfere was to risk instant expulsion and loss of employment.

The dean was never seen again. He wasn't in prison; there were no records of any kind concerning the arrest. He just disappeared, forever.

His wfe and daughters continued to live in the house for years, until I left the country. I knew the daughters quite well, and they never spoke of their father. No one did. It was an accepted fact of life that beneath the cultured and calm pretense of Saudi Arabia lay an ocean of bloody violence. Unless one wished to go there, one did not speak of it.

Every kid knew about this Thing, this Silence, this Dark Pool Beneath. It cautioned everything we did. A young American boy like me could go anywhere and do anything, drive a car, drive a motorcycle (at eight years old!) -- but once in awhile, not very often, there would be an explosion of dangerous violence.

My friend Marco Porro was deemed to have hair too long by some mullahs in Khobar, so they shaved his head with gardening shears, removing part of his scalp in the process. His family left the country the next day, and they never returned.

The disappearance and dismemberment of a journalist sounds EXACTLY like many events I witnessed and heard of. I had many Arab friends, Westernized and Bedouin alike, and we all knew -- this is the Way Of Things.

Calm, loving, generous, kind, thoughtful, wise, and occasionally butcherous. Don't look down in the Dark Pool Beneath unless you want to go there, that was always the lesson.

Standard long-term royal autocracy, I suppose. Cultured internationally-minded primitivism.

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Response to byronius (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:37 PM

16. DFT worships that way of life

Thank you for such a pictoral view of life in other parts of the world

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Response to byronius (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:45 PM

19. Powerful story...

...thanks for sharing!

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Response to JoeOtterbein (Reply #19)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:28 PM

34. +1

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Response to byronius (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:53 PM

21. That's pretty much standard in many countries.

Look at Argentina and all the Desaparecidos. No one talked about it but their mothers gathered every week in front of the government buildings and stood in silence with their white scarves demanding to know what happened to their children.

And it was these same mothers who started a campaign to get their grandchildren who had been born after their kids disappeared. They actually hired doctors to find a way to be able to identify these children scientifically, and thus was born DNA matching of family members.

I saw that in a documentary many years ago. Itís an amazing story of the determination of mothers when they get together.

Women have more power than they realize. Itís the reason they are oppressed.

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Response to lunatica (Reply #21)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:45 PM

43. Women have more power than they realize. It's the reason they are oppressed.


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Response to byronius (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:07 PM

25. Thanks for sharing that

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Response to byronius (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:33 PM

38. I appreciate

you sharing your story.

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Response to byronius (Reply #12)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:34 PM

39. Absolutely!Absol

I have a Saudi born friend that lives in Canada at the moment. I wont go into details, but he was living there on a student Visa like many others living there and here. He had to make an asylum claim due to some things that was/wasnt said online. He is currently waiting on his decision to be made by the IRB.

He has to check in with friends on a daily basis. He is terrified of disappearing. I couldnt imagine having to live this way every day, looking over my shoulder.

This isnt my first foray with this type of shit. In high school I knew a girl from Iran. After I graduated bootcamp I got an opportunity to go back home on boot leave to help out at the recruiting office (more just an excuse to go back home and see friends). Anyways my friend signed up while I was gone.She was due to ship out and didnt show up and the recruiter was worried about her because he hadn't heard from her. I told him that I knew the family and I would go ask the older sister, under the guise of meeting up with an old friend, to see how she is (she had an older sister and brother and one younger brother).

She met me for lunch and told me that she wouldnt ne allowed to meet with me again afterwards so I immediately got a bad gut feeling. Her sister had told her in confidence that she was joining the Marine Corps and was gonna be a Farsi Linguist and that it was utmost secrecy that her parents or brothers not find out. Another mutual friend had told her older brother that he saw her talking to the Marine recruiter at a local restaurant. He didnt fo ot out of malice or anything, just an "oh hey btw" type of deal. He then told his father and all hell broke out through the house. She was put into lockdown and not allowed to even leave her room. An uncle flew in from Canada and her sister was made to go with him. He took her back to Iran to live with extended family. I couldnt believe what I was hearing!

I still have no idea what ever happened to her. I lost contact with her sister through the years. I hope she ended up being ok. I love Iranian people, the food, the history, and culture. It's something that they can go, "look my history goes back thousands of years." I do however hate their government and the religious whackos that hold power over them. It's something that as Americans, we take for granted.

It's still perfectly legal for us to call Donald Trump a misogynistic, racist asshole who only got elected to office because of a foriegn country helped him.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:24 PM

14. well, the assassination of an American Citizen should be big news

especially if aided by another American citizen

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:59 PM

23. I hope this isn't dropped until the facts are widely known

I remember reading somewhere (probably right here on DU) that there was something really fishy about the trip Kushner took to meet with the Saudi prince. Evidently it wasnít an officially planned trip. And it was also floated that Kushner was giving the prince top secret information which Kushner gets at the Presidential briefings.

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:08 PM

26. Was Kashoggi an American citizen?

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Response to Goodheart (Reply #26)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:12 PM

28. yes he was.

Now if we had a State Department they would be all over this. But it seems it was gutted.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:23 PM

32. Pls see 31

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Response to spanone (Reply #14)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:22 PM

31. Do you have a link?

He only recently (2017) took up residence here

The reason He went to the consulate was to related to his Saudi passport

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Response to grantcart (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:37 PM

40. Khashoggi went to the Saudi Embassy to get his paperwork in order to marry his fiance.

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Response to magicarpet (Reply #40)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:53 PM

45. First of all he went to the consulate not the Embassy


Why is a US citizen going to a Saudi consulate?

My question is do you have any link that he was a US citizen or is it something you made up?

Pretty sure that he was a US resident and not a citizen.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #45)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:38 PM

51. Yes,.. Saudi Consulate not Embassy in Turkey.

NPR
Khashoggi's editor at the Washington Post is interviewed...

(begin snip)

ATTIAH: Sure. So what we know, again, as you said, he went to the consulate, the Saudi consulate in Turkey, ostensibly to file papers relating to a marriage. He wanted to get married to his Turkish fiancee. He told friends, apparently, that he felt that it was OK to go to the consulate even though he was warned about his safety. So basically, last Tuesday, he went in at about 1:00 p.m., 1:30 or so, and never came out. His fiancee waited for 12 hours, and never came out.

(end snip - more at link below)


https://www.npr.org/2018/10/08/655528978/saudi-journalist-disappears-while-visiting-saudi-consulate-in-turkey

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Jamal Khashoggi had hopes of becoming an American citizen.

Time Magazine article...

(begin snip)

Khashoggi had sought to become a U.S. citizen after living in self-imposed exile since last year, fearing repercussions for his criticism of the prince, Cengiz wrote.

Trump, who took his first overseas trip as U.S. president to the kingdom and whose son-in-law Jared Kushner has close ties to Prince Mohammed, said Tuesday he had not yet talked to the Saudis about Khashoggi, ďbut I will be at some point,Ē without elaborating.

(end snip- more at link below)


http://time.com/5420263/saudi-arabia-jamal-khashoggi-assassination-squad/



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Response to magicarpet (Reply #51)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:44 PM

52. Confirming then that he was not a US citizen.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #52)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 03:26 PM

53. Yes,.. Khashoggi was not a US citizen,.. I never said he was...

Khashoggi was desirous of becoming an American citizen, but was a long way from completing the process. He did reside in the USA and was a foreign correspondent for the Washington Post.

This maybe the primary reason Khashoggi was not given a warning about message intercept pertaining to his welfare risks.

Kushner and trDump hate the "Fake News" - Washington Post - Khashoggi's employer. And is real buddy buddy with the new Saudi Prince. So Team trDump turned a blind eye to Khashoggi's murder and gave the Saudi government the green light to kill him because he wrote disparaging articles about the House of Saud.

That is how you get rid of "Fake News",.. you chop them up into little pieces and then feed them to the sharks

Poof,.. the media becomes very compliant and authors nice stories about how good a job your are doing. Nothing but positive press going forward.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:33 PM

15. Thank you, Seth Abramson,

trion and Amichai Stein

I posted a NPR piece earlier today for anyone looking for more on this.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:43 PM

18. Meanwhile, the media is showing Kanye West.

This will be nothing more than a blurb at the end of the day

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #18)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:09 PM

27. That's my fear. By Sunday night, this will be old news and nobody will remember it happened.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:04 PM

24. this is basically Anus-face's preferred treatment of critical journalists

Don't think otherwise; if someone didn't talk him out of it, король мудак himself would like to consign numerous reporters in the U.S. this same fate.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:15 PM

29. Our good friends the Saudis n/t

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Response to hibbing (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:28 PM

35. the Saudis

who conducted and executed 9/11 correct?

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #35)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 05:03 PM

54. That's like saying Kentuckian's executed the Oklahoma City Bombing.


(because they after all are Americans)

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:18 PM

30. Will some part of the government STEP UP and DO somehting about Trump?

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Response to pdsimdars (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:29 PM

36. we have a corrupt

majority and McConnell doesn't do shit accept kissing tRumps ass.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:33 PM

37. tRump CRAVES the ability to do the same thing here.

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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:42 PM

41. If we do not stop Team trDump this coming election...

.... and vote overwhelmingly to get them out of political power,... these are the type of Fascist stunts trDump will do to solidify his grasp on his powers.


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Response to triron (Original post)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 01:47 PM

44. How long ...

I'm sure Trump and his ilk are taking notes. How long until Trump critics start to disappear? He might not -- yet -- be able to shoot someone on Fifth Ave, but don't hold your breath. We're already considered traitors and baby murderers by the right wing.

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