Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:08 PM

What has surprised you most about the Trump Presidency?

I am surprised at the resilience of his support. I really thought when people see for themselves who Trump is - his rating would be in the 20's.

I am surprised the Orange bastard is still president.. and sad that our country has so many racists.

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What has surprised you most about the Trump Presidency? (Original post)	Le Gaucher	Oct 2018	OP
I am seriously surprised by the Republicans in congress being so compliant	rurallib	Oct 2018	#1
That he is still alive given the hatred he has stirred up. Not advocating his demise.	olegramps	Oct 2018	#36
he's succeeding for them beyond their wildest dreams. Immigration, voting rights, environment, judge	Demovictory9	Oct 2018	#75
This. No dissenters among them. Lockstep - under threat? Blackmail? Bribes? Nt	lostnfound	Oct 2018	#88
nothing really.	JHan	Oct 2018	#2
Same here.	Garrett78	Oct 2018	#39
Me too	happy feet	Oct 2018	#93
Me too.	zentrum	Oct 2018	#99
Learning that the rapeublican party hates democracy.	onecaliberal	Oct 2018	#3
Yeah	Hekate	Oct 2018	#106
The level of his support, by the idiots and the traitors in the Senate and Congress.	Autumn	Oct 2018	#4
I though this support would slowly erode as well	NewJeffCT	Oct 2018	#5
What do you mean, "Obama economy"? I've been told by the Trumpers	Arkansas Granny	Oct 2018	#14
The economy is strong	Johnny2X2X	Oct 2018	#25
That is the truth of it	Rural_Progressive	Oct 2018	#97
Surprised that the party of patriotism is actually	Iliyah	Oct 2018	#6
I'm surprised that Republicans who I had previously regarded as fairly moderate	Arkansas Granny	Oct 2018	#7
I was surprised to find out that one in every three Americans is a Nazi	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2018	#8
+1	violetpastille	Oct 2018	#9
I'm surprised at how evil he is. Not just mean and petty, but pure evil.	LastLiberal in PalmSprings	Oct 2018	#10
It's his vengefulness and cruelty that really shocks me.	SharonAnn	Oct 2018	#83
A toss up	gratuitous	Oct 2018	#11
That We Allowed the Damned Thing to Exist in the First Place.	The_Counsel	Oct 2018	#12
The outright lying and deception	thegoose	Oct 2018	#13
Not only do they accept his lies, they reject provable facts.	Arkansas Granny	Oct 2018	#18
agree	Hamlette	Oct 2018	#82
when those deplorables look in the mirror, they see a person as deplorable as them.	spanone	Oct 2018	#15
I was surprised to learn that my sister is a moron	C_U_L8R	Oct 2018	#16
I'm surprised	Sunny Daze	Oct 2018	#17
Everything!	In It to Win It	Oct 2018	#19
Spineless lackey republican support at 99.9%	IADEMO2004	Oct 2018	#20
I had no idea how deeply ignorant and stupid he is.	Greybnk48	Oct 2018	#21
I am not surprised at the...	Mike Nelson	Oct 2018	#22
That republicans believe everything that comes out of his mouth	In It to Win It	Oct 2018	#23
How little the GOP seems to care about the fact that history will vilify them as traitors and	malchickiwick	Oct 2018	#24
History is written by the winners	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2018	#58
That people that I love still support him.	Funtatlaguy	Oct 2018	#26
The complicity of corporate media	Achilleaze	Oct 2018	#27
+1000	yonder	Oct 2018	#63
The fear he seems to instill in so many people.	redstatebluegirl	Oct 2018	#28
How the American people have allowed one man	Boomerproud	Oct 2018	#29
I'm surprised an unindicted co conspirator can make SCOTUS appointments	ProudLib72	Oct 2018	#30
Agreed .. Never realized that our democracy is so fragile and hackable.	Le Gaucher	Oct 2018	#35
I can't say surprised. But to the extent that so many can't be bothered	Guy Whitey Corngood	Oct 2018	#31
Yep	Runningdawg	Oct 2018	#72
The economy. n/t	egduj	Oct 2018	#32
That the Fascist ignorant perverted pig ever got past the primaries...	magicarpet	Oct 2018	#33
Agreed. I was looking forward to them seeing the reality of this loser.	Power 2 the People	Oct 2018	#34
Not much	sarisataka	Oct 2018	#37
How fast he is destroying everything the United States stands for	woodsprite	Oct 2018	#38
This. And the prevalence of outright unhinged bigotry he has unleashed.	JudyM	Oct 2018	#96
Surprised how the Republican party is going along with the craziness	TNLib	Oct 2018	#40
I'm surprised that people are so damn greedy.	Bluepinky	Oct 2018	#41
The fact that Republicans ...	NanceGreggs	Oct 2018	#42
The fact that Trump is such an awful shit...	skypilot	Oct 2018	#43
Lowering or eliminating the traditional norms and standards that are the foundation	procon	Oct 2018	#44
Great post. "Barbarians who enjoy cruelty"--sounds like	raccoon	Oct 2018	#118
Well said! Worth an OP. Nt	raccoon	Oct 2018	#129
That after all he's done, he's still in office. nt	TwistOneUp	Oct 2018	#45
That some people just can't be bothered to give a shit about him	The Genealogist	Oct 2018	#46
It is sort of like being a Kardashian presidency...	SeattleVet	Oct 2018	#48
I often feel like I am trapped in some reality show	The Genealogist	Oct 2018	#55
I was extremely surprised when he won his first primary.	SeattleVet	Oct 2018	#47
Yes. And Bloomberg was right on target when	LuckyLib	Oct 2018	#122
That he is more incompetent and fucked up then I thought him to be.	Kaleva	Oct 2018	#49
Conspiracy theories	get the red out	Oct 2018	#50
How quickly lies become the norm... and almost become the truth	lancelyons	Oct 2018	#51
Surprised	lsewpershad	Oct 2018	#52
That he is nasty and vicious and mean and untruthful and irrational and incoherent and stupid	The Velveteen Ocelot	Oct 2018	#53
I thought his level of viciousness would subside when he became president	Poiuyt	Oct 2018	#112
His stupidity and lack of management skills.	Sneederbunk	Oct 2018	#54
That Sean Hannity...	In It to Win It	Oct 2018	#56
A douchebag college dropout has the ear of the man with the codes.	A HERETIC I AM	Oct 2018	#59
pretty much what you said	Mosby	Oct 2018	#57
How deeply it would hurt.	FM123	Oct 2018	#60
Oh yes!	Cousin Dupree	Oct 2018	#62
That it even exists!!!	k8conant	Oct 2018	#61
His support among more conventional Republican politicians	yurbud	Oct 2018	#64
That there is such a thing as a Trump presidency.	Different Drummer	Oct 2018	#65
How angry I am	ellie	Oct 2018	#66
Sadly	Turin_C3PO	Oct 2018	#67
This Applies	RobinA	Oct 2018	#68
I lost a $50 bet at work for betting that he would not win.	Le Gaucher	Oct 2018	#71
Ever Since	RobinA	Oct 2018	#89
Message auto-removed	Name removed	Oct 2018	#69
How much I see him everyday...	In It to Win It	Oct 2018	#70
For Me...	Leith	Oct 2018	#73
Russian kompromat. Rs and Ds were hacked. Trump has R kompromat	Arazi	Oct 2018	#80
Hilary Clinton and the Democrats	erpowers	Oct 2018	#74
That a narcissistic fool that loves only himself would be ALLOWED to destroy	Freethinker65	Oct 2018	#76
That so many people have so little regard for truth. nt	LAS14	Oct 2018	#77
That he doesn't appear to like war	Polybius	Oct 2018	#78
I still worry that he's going to start a war to improve his poll numbers	Poiuyt	Oct 2018	#111
If he leaves the Presidency without a war, it will be the only time I give him credit	Polybius	Oct 2018	#114
I agree that Bush 2 was the worst president	Poiuyt	Oct 2018	#121
Not a G.D. thing.	Cha	Oct 2018	#79
No surprises..#Cult45 and #TrumpTraitorCo are as bad as predicted	Arazi	Oct 2018	#81
The Amount Of Stupid Kool-Aid Drinkers This Fucker Attracts	Grassy Knoll	Oct 2018	#84
I think	Meowmee	Oct 2018	#85
I'm surprised and amazed at the level of anger and hatred he's brought out in our country.	Totally Tunsie	Oct 2018	#86
His Korean policy	soryang	Oct 2018	#87
That he has shown no signs of growing into the role and	LibDemAlways	Oct 2018	#90
I must say ...you had pretty high hopes for the nincompoop.	Le Gaucher	Oct 2018	#91
Not really high hopes. It's just that	LibDemAlways	Oct 2018	#92
That he has hung in there this long	Buckeyeblue	Oct 2018	#94
Administrative incompetence	Jim Lane	Oct 2018	#95
I am surprised that	zentrum	Oct 2018	#98
I am surprised at how much he has changed me.	Ms. Toad	Oct 2018	#100
Same here.	Turin_C3PO	Oct 2018	#102
The depth of his corruption	riverwalker	Oct 2018	#101
That he has as much R support as Reagan did.	fallout87	Oct 2018	#103
I am surprised this is even a question.	sellitman	Oct 2018	#104
It shocked me how FAST the takeover was. It happened so damned fast. Like someone took a crowbar...	Hekate	Oct 2018	#105
It's exactly what Republicans did to North Carolina when they took over in 2010.	SMC22307	Oct 2018	#107
Atomic bombs have not exploded anywhere.	raging moderate	Oct 2018	#108
The fact that he managed to come in far under my low expectations	DFW	Oct 2018	#109
that the US is so ill-protected against tyranny	A-Schwarzenegger	Oct 2018	#110
That two years later, he lies more, more criminal allegations, proves stupidity, illiteracy	Skruffy	Oct 2018	#113
The obsession with him	Raine	Oct 2018	#115
I'm surprised at just how bad he is in every way. I knew it wouldn't be good, but	Vinca	Oct 2018	#116
Hmmm..	Dorian Gray	Oct 2018	#117
TAKEOVER!!!!!!	afp2	Oct 2018	#119
well	rtracey	Oct 2018	#120
Nothing	nini	Oct 2018	#123
That Trump has enabled his supporters to be abusive jackasses.	Initech	Oct 2018	#124
The open racism is really shocking	Gothmog	Oct 2018	#125
That one time	Turbineguy	Oct 2018	#126
I'll be surprised if the @$$hole doesn't win re election for a 2nd term.	CentralMass	Oct 2018	#127
that people I've known for decades	Kurt V.	Oct 2018	#128
The number of women that support him. nt	RandiFan1290	Oct 2018	#130
I'm surprised he hasn't started a war with Iran or N. Korea to whip up his approval numbers	Va Lefty	Oct 2018	#131

Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:10 PM

rurallib (60,486 posts)

1. I am seriously surprised by the Republicans in congress being so compliant

have never seen such a bunch of cowards in congress before.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:54 PM

olegramps (8,200 posts)

36. That he is still alive given the hatred he has stirred up. Not advocating his demise.

Keep him around with the hope that people will finally wise up that he is a charlatan and conman. But I won't hold my breath. A quick glance at his supporters dispels any hope for a quick recovery. They are as low class as he is regardless of how much money they have. Most are just ignorant useful idiots of the sort that Jones convinced to kill themselves. That is just how damn stupid they are and will gladly vote their own destruction as the wealthy laugh themselves sick at the fools.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:12 PM

Demovictory9 (29,871 posts)

75. he's succeeding for them beyond their wildest dreams. Immigration, voting rights, environment, judge

he's turning back the clock like no one else. and he's not afraid to show that he's a bigot thug

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Response to rurallib (Reply #1)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:13 AM

lostnfound (15,582 posts)

88. This. No dissenters among them. Lockstep - under threat? Blackmail? Bribes? Nt

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:10 PM

JHan (10,173 posts)

2. nothing really.

I expected the worst and we haven't reached the bottom yet with him.

And I expected his support would never dip below 30%.

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Response to JHan (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:57 PM

Garrett78 (10,721 posts)

39. Same here.

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Response to JHan (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:16 AM

happy feet (720 posts)

93. Me too

Agree

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Response to happy feet (Reply #93)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:41 PM

zentrum (9,864 posts)

99. Me too.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:11 PM

onecaliberal (29,282 posts)

3. Learning that the rapeublican party hates democracy.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:46 PM

Hekate (82,772 posts)

106. Yeah

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:12 PM

Autumn (42,594 posts)

4. The level of his support, by the idiots and the traitors in the Senate and Congress.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:13 PM

NewJeffCT (56,792 posts)

5. I though this support would slowly erode as well

I think the Obama economy has kept him as high as he's been, plus his ability to reach his followers directly via Twitter.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:20 PM

Arkansas Granny (30,976 posts)

14. What do you mean, "Obama economy"? I've been told by the Trumpers

that Trump alone is responsible for the growing economy. They argue that the economy was in terrible shape when Trump took office and he singlehandedly turned it around.

All hail the mighty Trump.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:39 PM

Johnny2X2X (15,790 posts)

25. The economy is strong

And Obama brought us to here and Trump sold the farm to boost it even more. We're on borrowed time for a recession though.

Once the inevitable recession begins his support will plummet. We're over a decade without a recession, we're due for one no matter who is in charge.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #25)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 06:30 PM

Rural_Progressive (989 posts)

97. That is the truth of it

they've been propping it up for the whole time Donnie O's been in office. People have been afraid to rock the boat and screw up their pension checks, dividend checks, 401ks, etc.

The problem with propping up an economy is it just falls that much harder and further when the artificial supports are pulled. We'll see if they can get it leveled out before the midterms or that could be it for the GOP.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:13 PM

Iliyah (25,111 posts)

6. Surprised that the party of patriotism is actually

the party of treason. That the USA's citizens that screamed the loudest on freedom and flag actually believes the opposite.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:13 PM

Arkansas Granny (30,976 posts)

7. I'm surprised that Republicans who I had previously regarded as fairly moderate

have fallen all over themselves to get on board the Trump Train. Im especially surprised at those who came out as vehemently opposed to him during the primaries.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:14 PM

FiveGoodMen (20,018 posts)

8. I was surprised to find out that one in every three Americans is a Nazi

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:14 PM

violetpastille (1,483 posts)

9. +1

You have pretty much crystallized it for me.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:18 PM

LastLiberal in PalmSprings (12,279 posts)

10. I'm surprised at how evil he is. Not just mean and petty, but pure evil.

Destroying all the institutions -- domestic and globally -- which have served our country for decades is the act of an evil man. I have never known a man who makes everything about himself, nor one who lies with every breath.

Like I said, evil. I had expected ignorant and misguided, but this is willful chaos he is creating just because that's how he likes his life.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:34 PM

SharonAnn (13,540 posts)

83. It's his vengefulness and cruelty that really shocks me.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:18 PM

gratuitous (80,487 posts)

11. A toss up

A toss up between the naked corruption of the administration and the supine response to that corruption by congressional Republicans. I thought the administration would at least try to be more discreet, and that the Republicans in Congress would at least pretend to be appalled.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:19 PM

The_Counsel (1,652 posts)

12. That We Allowed the Damned Thing to Exist in the First Place.

n/t

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:19 PM

thegoose (3,115 posts)

13. The outright lying and deception

By Dumpster and the rest of the filthy party. And people just accept it. It makes me crazy!

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Response to thegoose (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:24 PM

Arkansas Granny (30,976 posts)

18. Not only do they accept his lies, they reject provable facts.

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Response to thegoose (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:05 PM

Hamlette (15,104 posts)

82. agree

the day of the inauguration I was shocked that 1. we were talking size of crowd, and 2 they were spreading obvious lies.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:20 PM

spanone (133,343 posts)

15. when those deplorables look in the mirror, they see a person as deplorable as them.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:22 PM

C_U_L8R (43,542 posts)

16. I was surprised to learn that my sister is a moron

She's out there spreading the Trumpstain gospel... racist bullshit and all.
My brothers and sisters are all scratching our heads wondering what went wrong.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:22 PM

Sunny Daze (205 posts)

17. I'm surprised

he is still getting away with every single lie he spews and crime he’s committed. Most of all that so many people I thought of as “normal” before all this are in reality hatefilled racists is the biggest surprise. I’ve given up thinking, “Just wait until they hear what he has done this time! Now they will see what he’s like.” They just turn everything right around and blame the democrats EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:25 PM

In It to Win It (5,649 posts)

19. Everything!

That this is what the Republican Party has turned to. All these people that said they won’t support trump kissed the ring when he won.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:25 PM

IADEMO2004 (5,043 posts)

20. Spineless lackey republican support at 99.9%

Total submission to the orange creature.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:30 PM

Greybnk48 (9,871 posts)

21. I had no idea how deeply ignorant and stupid he is.

I'm also shocked by his racism, and savage, callous cruelty toward people in need like Puerto Rico.

Edited to add: And the lying!!

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:35 PM

Mike Nelson (9,363 posts)

22. I am not surprised at the...

… resilience of his support among the Deplorables. They believe Obama wasn't born in the US. They believe Clinton is a murderer... But I am surprised that many Republicans are going along for the ride. They are going to crash.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:36 PM

In It to Win It (5,649 posts)

23. That republicans believe everything that comes out of his mouth

The guy lies more than any other politician and yet yet they call Hillary a liar.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:39 PM

malchickiwick (1,410 posts)

24. How little the GOP seems to care about the fact that history will vilify them as traitors and

quislings.

I assumed that some of these GOP leaders cared about their legacies and how they will be remembered in our history books. But no. They seem not to care that they will make Benedict Arnold and Joe McCarthy look like veritable saints next to them.

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Response to malchickiwick (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:40 PM

FiveGoodMen (20,018 posts)

58. History is written by the winners

If we don't stop these Nazis soon, they'll be able to write any "history", giving them any "legacy" that they want.

No one will be able to prove that they're lying.

It will not be safe to try to prove that.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:42 PM

Funtatlaguy (10,432 posts)

26. That people that I love still support him.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:43 PM

Achilleaze (15,543 posts)

27. The complicity of corporate media

corporate media does not serve the citizens of the USA. They are - especially TV - a disgrace.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:37 PM

yonder (8,539 posts)

63. +1000

corporate media, corporate culture shapers, corporate this, that etc., ad nauseum.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:43 PM

redstatebluegirl (12,152 posts)

28. The fear he seems to instill in so many people.

The Republicans are terrified of a twitter storm to the point they will do anything he wants.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:44 PM

Boomerproud (6,816 posts)

29. How the American people have allowed one man

To turn everything on its head.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:44 PM

ProudLib72 (17,984 posts)

30. I'm surprised an unindicted co conspirator can make SCOTUS appointments

So surprised that there seem to be absolutely zero checks on presidential power. I never realized how flimsy our governmental institutions always were.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:53 PM

Le Gaucher (1,547 posts)

35. Agreed .. Never realized that our democracy is so fragile and hackable.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:44 PM

Guy Whitey Corngood (25,856 posts)

31. I can't say surprised. But to the extent that so many can't be bothered

to give a fuck. It's just depressing.

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Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:23 PM

Runningdawg (4,166 posts)

72. Yep

I thought we would be seeing multiple protest across the country every single day. In cities AND smaller towns. I expected to see more than just a few senators and people from the administration getting hassled in public. I expected the decent people to hold media to a higher standard. I expected to see people continue to protest at his rallies. But here we are....

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:45 PM

egduj (754 posts)

32. The economy. n/t

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:47 PM

magicarpet (12,859 posts)

33. That the Fascist ignorant perverted pig ever got past the primaries...

.... and then elected in the general.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:49 PM

Power 2 the People (2,437 posts)

34. Agreed. I was looking forward to them seeing the reality of this loser.

But:

"We don't need someone who can think. We need someone with enough digits to hold a pen." - Grover Norquist

It ended up being the Republican dream come true. Their monstrous media machine has anointed him "the chosen one."

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:55 PM

sarisataka (15,483 posts)

37. Not much

I figured he might but heads with Congressional Republicans more, but they seem happy to hang on his coattails

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:56 PM

woodsprite (11,448 posts)

38. How fast he is destroying everything the United States stands for

and our institutions, and how not a single GOP congressman or cabinet member feels one bit of responsibility, sense of duty, self-respect, or obligation to our country and the American people.

I question whether we'll ever recover.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #38)

Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:09 PM

JudyM (26,156 posts)

96. This. And the prevalence of outright unhinged bigotry he has unleashed.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:57 PM

TNLib (1,819 posts)

40. Surprised how the Republican party is going along with the craziness

and tied themselves so close to Trumpism. It's like watching the Titanic go down.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:59 PM

Bluepinky (2,180 posts)

41. I'm surprised that people are so damn greedy.

They will apparently accept and believe anything as long as they think they’re benefiting financially.

One of my colleagues at work told me how she’s getting more money each week since the “tax cuts” passed (which I’m sure isn’t true). She and others like her can accept any atrocity Trump causes, as long as they think they’re helped by it. Who cares about anyone else, they sure don’t.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 01:59 PM

NanceGreggs (27,624 posts)

42. The fact that Republicans ...

... who always put party above country, are willing to put Trump above party.

I really thought they'd be more aware of their own undoing at the hands of an idiot.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:01 PM

skypilot (8,758 posts)

43. The fact that Trump is such an awful shit...

...that the Republicans finally dared to dust off George W. and trot him out to stump for Kavanaugh.

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:03 PM

procon (15,805 posts)

44. Lowering or eliminating the traditional norms and standards that are the foundation

Of our society. Everything that was ever known as acceptable, civilised behavior has been replaced by barbarians who enjoy cruelty and raging vulgarity. I shouldn't be surprised that so many conservatives, who once preached about their superior family values and godliness, support this opposite behavior now.

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Response to procon (Reply #44)

Thu Oct 11, 2018, 07:00 AM

raccoon (30,722 posts)

118. Great post. "Barbarians who enjoy cruelty"--sounds like

1930’s Germany, doesn’t it?

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Response to procon (Reply #44)

Fri Oct 12, 2018, 09:11 AM

raccoon (30,722 posts)

129. Well said! Worth an OP. Nt

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:07 PM

TwistOneUp (1,020 posts)

45. That after all he's done, he's still in office. nt

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Response to Le Gaucher (Original post)

Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:09 PM

The Genealogist (4,723 posts)

46. That some people just can't be bothered to give a shit about him

His destroying the nation, alienating allies, acting crudely, all the kind of thing I expected. What surprises me is that there is a huge swath of people in this country who just don't care. Politics is boring. Politicians are all the same. People who care more about the Kardashians or their trendy TV shows than they do about their country. It isnt effecting them yet ways they notice, so why bother. How someone can watch this trainwreck and be so apathetic really suprises me.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:11 PM

SeattleVet (5,252 posts)

48. It is sort of like being a Kardashian presidency...

essentially, they are both really only famous for being rich and famous.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:25 PM

The Genealogist (4,723 posts)

55. I often feel like I am trapped in some reality show

I have seen only snippets of reality shows, but as I understand them, the whole point is to get awful, fake people on TV to stab each other on the back, and gossip about each other. You're supposed to cheer for your favorite backstabber. I feel like much of American society has descended to this kind of base behavior. Strength is equated with being the loudest and most hateful, decency is weakness.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:09 PM

SeattleVet (5,252 posts)

47. I was extremely surprised when he won his first primary.

Then when he went on to blast through the rest of the repuke field, I was totally puzzled at how this dolt did it.

Thee I was completely floored when he was declared the winner in the general election.

Having lived in NYC during the 80's, I had seen what a complete bullshitting asshole he was, close-up, and (wrongly) assumed that everyone else could see it, too, since he had always been so blatant about showing how much of a clueless, entitled turd he was.

Now I'm mostly surprised that Mueller hasn't already finished his work and issued a complete, airtight damning report laying out every illegal act that the asshole's campaign and administration has done.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 02:44 PM

LuckyLib (6,741 posts)

122. Yes. And Bloomberg was right on target when

he said “New Yorkers know a con when they see one.” He couldn’t get the time of day from financial houses and vendors who knew what a sleazy liar he was. He turned to Russians desperate to park their money.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:11 PM

Kaleva (34,009 posts)

49. That he is more incompetent and fucked up then I thought him to be.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:13 PM

get the red out (13,436 posts)

50. Conspiracy theories

Conspiracy theories from RW hate radio that were generally just alluded to in Congress and the Senate are now stated as FACT! The crazy "paid protesters" crap is an example. In the age of Trump, trying to sound somewhat sane when in official mode is no longer even desirable.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:21 PM

lancelyons (988 posts)

51. How quickly lies become the norm... and almost become the truth

The idea that you can repeat a lie enough and it becomes a truth is apparently real.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:23 PM

lsewpershad (2,620 posts)

52. Surprised

that his heart attack has not happened yet. All that hate
bitterness and anger must be painful.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:25 PM

The Velveteen Ocelot (106,861 posts)

53. That he is nasty and vicious and mean and untruthful and irrational and incoherent and stupid

(often all of those things at the same time) and millions of people are convinced he's wonderful.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:30 AM

Poiuyt (17,707 posts)

112. I thought his level of viciousness would subside when he became president

Instead, it's gotten worse.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:25 PM

Sneederbunk (12,421 posts)

54. His stupidity and lack of management skills.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:37 PM

In It to Win It (5,649 posts)

56. That Sean Hannity...

Is Special Advisor to the President

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:43 PM

A HERETIC I AM (23,579 posts)

59. A douchebag college dropout has the ear of the man with the codes.

Scary, isn't it?

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:40 PM

Mosby (14,367 posts)

57. pretty much what you said

It's like a third of the country have lost their minds.

Their deep hatred for liberals has blinded and brainwashed them.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:44 PM

FM123 (9,863 posts)

60. How deeply it would hurt.

I expected the anger.
I never expected how painful it would be to have him in the White House ruining our country. Every. Single. Day.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:58 PM

Cousin Dupree (1,866 posts)

62. Oh yes!

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 02:46 PM

k8conant (3,014 posts)

61. That it even exists!!!

I also thought he would keep on being a clown and a lout instead of the devil incarnate.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:40 PM

yurbud (39,405 posts)

64. His support among more conventional Republican politicians

although I think that is because they see him as a useful idiot with the accent on idiot. He's too unreliable to be called useful.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:41 PM

Different Drummer (6,340 posts)

65. That there is such a thing as a Trump presidency.

I'd have thought people would have had better sense than to make such a bizarre notion a reality. I guess I overestimated the intelligence of the American citizenry.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:41 PM

ellie (6,887 posts)

66. How angry I am

I thought I was pissed during Shrub but I find myself screaming at the TV. Also, I hate my repukes more. They get no quarter from me.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:54 PM

Turin_C3PO (10,626 posts)

67. Sadly

Not much has surprised me regarding Trump or his base of deplorables. I guess I’m a little surprised that congress has been so compliant. I thought some Republicans would push back.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 03:54 PM

RobinA (9,318 posts)

68. This Applies

to him as President and candidate. I am surprised by the number of people who support him. Including several members of my own family. I was one who said he could never get elected.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:20 PM

Le Gaucher (1,547 posts)

71. I lost a $50 bet at work for betting that he would not win.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:26 AM

RobinA (9,318 posts)

89. Ever Since

I predicted that Bush Jr would never get past the primary I gave up betting on how much the GOP voter would overlook. However, even given my schooling that time, Trump, or rather his voters, blindsided me.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 04:08 PM

In It to Win It (5,649 posts)

70. How much I see him everyday...

Every. Fucking. Day.

Trump does something stupid
Trump says something stupid
Trump rallies in West Virginia
Trump reversed something
Trump says Democrats are evil
Trump denies something he said
Trump rallies in West Virginia
Trump spews out meaningless words that makes no sense
Trump says fuck our allies
Trump gives a bailout to farmers
Trump is the President of the United States
Trump rallies in West Virginia
TRUMP GETS TO APPOINT ANOTHER SUPREME COURT JUSTICE!!!

What the hell did we do?!?!??

I need a competent boring president; one that I don’t have to monitor all the time.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 07:52 PM

Leith (7,652 posts)

73. For Me...

It is how former fervent anti-chump rethugs have one little meeting with him and turn into rah-rah chump boosters. For example, Lindsey Graham was anti until he played golf with the orange one. Now Lindsey is the most vocal chimp in the herd. Ted Cruz is another - never mind insulting his wife and father, he supports his pRez.

wtf is wrong with them?!

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:54 PM

Arazi (5,644 posts)

80. Russian kompromat. Rs and Ds were hacked. Trump has R kompromat

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:06 PM

erpowers (9,280 posts)

74. Hilary Clinton and the Democrats

I am most surprised by how right Hilary Clinton and the Democrats have been about Donald Trump and the results of his policies. The Democrats were just about 100% right about the results of the tax cuts. I did not expect the Democrats to be so right about the tax cuts. Just about everything Hilary Clinton said about Donald Trump's presidency has been proven right. She has been so right about Donald Trump's presidency that I am wondering if she was getting intelligence reports about him during the campaign. I do not think she, or President Obama did anything wrong during the election. I think former Presidents get daily briefings. So, maybe President Clinton was getting daily intelligence briefing that contained information about Donald Trump.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:27 PM

Freethinker65 (8,172 posts)

76. That a narcissistic fool that loves only himself would be ALLOWED to destroy

To destroy so much that was good about my country so fast

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:34 PM

LAS14 (13,058 posts)

77. That so many people have so little regard for truth. nt

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:45 PM

Polybius (12,348 posts)

78. That he doesn't appear to like war

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With his narcissist personality, I thought it would be a given.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:27 AM

Poiuyt (17,707 posts)

111. I still worry that he's going to start a war to improve his poll numbers

In fact, I'll be surprised if he doesn't

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:44 AM

Polybius (12,348 posts)

114. If he leaves the Presidency without a war, it will be the only time I give him credit

Until that time, he’s not getting any. With that being said, unlike some here, I still put little Bush as the worst President ever. Trump can still beat him out, but I’m putting him at 2 for now.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:04 PM

Poiuyt (17,707 posts)

121. I agree that Bush 2 was the worst president

For Trump to beat him out for that position, he would need to do something that damages the US on the world stage in a concrete way. Right now, it's mostly our reputation that's been hit. I think it will take a few years to see what damage can be blamed on his policies like tariffs, environment, deregulation, withdrawing from Iran and Paris Climate agreements, etc.

I will say that Trump will be considered the most corrupt and unethical president in US history.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:47 PM

Cha (283,894 posts)

79. Not a G.D. thing.

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 10:55 PM

Arazi (5,644 posts)

81. No surprises..#Cult45 and #TrumpTraitorCo are as bad as predicted

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Tue Oct 9, 2018, 11:42 PM

Grassy Knoll (10,118 posts)

84. The Amount Of Stupid Kool-Aid Drinkers This Fucker Attracts

Total Garbage Brains In America-Astounding, The Hate For Opposing Views-My Way Or The Highway Fucks
No Way For America To Survive Without Another Civil War, And It Seems That's What They Want, Bring It!!

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:01 AM

Meowmee (4,938 posts)

85. I think

It is the media still going along with normalization of all of this in a large way. They attack and then they take 5 steps back. I’m just terrified this is never going to end, that no one and nothing is going to challenge and fight to stop this illegetimate pos and his band of crooks and traitors and succeed. The corruption is so widespread, that was another surprise, the whole Russia involvement not just in his businesses but in much of the R party.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:10 AM

Totally Tunsie (10,885 posts)

86. I'm surprised and amazed at the level of anger and hatred he's brought out in our country.

There's no much rage in so many people. It's very frightening. I see it everyday in stores, on the road, and certainly on the TV news. People are surly and quick to flare.

I'm surprised that the RepubliCONS just line up behind him and support him, no matter how outlandish his positions might be.

I'm surprised at just how ignorant and hateful he and his family really are.

I'm tired of the sound of his voice, especially when they show clips of his endless self-serving rallies. I hate that he spews his lies to his audience and projects the characteristics of the crazed right onto the Democrats, such as tonight's claim that the Dems are too dangerous to govern, when the opposite is the truth.

I'm amazed that no one has made a serious attempt at harming him, and I'm embarrassed that I wouldn't care.

I'm stunned at how much he enrages me.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 12:12 AM

soryang (3,263 posts)

87. His Korean policy

For whatever reason, he is following the South Korean lead, in spite of the almost universal hostility of US defense establishment insiders, the national security echo chamber, and the fierce opposition in the press. This South Korean administration is probably the most progressive South Korean administration in history.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 08:58 AM

LibDemAlways (15,139 posts)

90. That he has shown no signs of growing into the role and

that he holds those stupid rallies. He truly thinks a US President is only President of those who voted for him and everybody else can go to hell. History will not be kind.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:02 AM

Le Gaucher (1,547 posts)

91. I must say ...you had pretty high hopes for the nincompoop.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:11 AM

LibDemAlways (15,139 posts)

92. Not really high hopes. It's just that

the weight of the responsibility generally makes an impact. When he met with Obama after the election, he seemed somewhat subdued and when asked by an interviewer if he would continue to tweet, he said he might not. I took those as indications that maybe he would treat the job with at least a small amount of respect. Obviously, he's incapable of same. He's just a big unruly bully in a china shop - smashing everything he sees because he can, and his mindless followers cheer him every step of the way.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:17 AM

Buckeyeblue (5,141 posts)

94. That he has hung in there this long

I know he loves the attention but it seems like he would have lost interest in being president by now. He could have proclaimed the system broken beyond repair and gone off to create his own tv network.

But as we find out more and more about his dependance on Russia, I don't think he has a choice. Maybe his life, or his lifestyle, depends upon him staying president for two terms.

Otherwise, I think he would have moved on.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:49 AM

Jim Lane (11,175 posts)

95. Administrative incompetence

I never bought the "brilliant deal-maker" hype. Nevertheless, he did come to the White House with many years of experience in managing the money that daddy left him. I knew that he'd appoint right-wing ideologues, but I just assumed that he'd appoint right-wing ideologues with at least some minimal degree of competence.

The EPA is one example. It was obvious that he'd appoint an industry tool who would attack environmental protections. The surprise was that the tool he picked, Pruitt, turned out to be such a blunderer that he had to resign -- not for any of his myriad policy deficiencies, but for his bungling and corruption. And he's not an outlier. That's on top of all the posts that haven't even been filled.

This might count as a pleasant surprise. Someone like Pence probably wouldn't have made these mistakes, and would arguably have done even more damage.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 09:39 PM

zentrum (9,864 posts)

98. I am surprised that

.....his method of chaos, of exhausting us--- is working.

I'm surprised that we aren't having nation-wide strikes every day about Me Too, climate change, loss of health care, student debt, his racism, his cruelty to children and on and on and on.....

I'm surprised that our outrage isn't producing more actions.

Not only pointing fingers. I include myself in this.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:34 PM

Ms. Toad (31,343 posts)

100. I am surprised at how much he has changed me.

Just a simple example - I have never, ever, wished someone would just die. I don't know that I actually wish he would die, but it's close enough that I might as well. I want him gone in a way that it is impossible for me to ever have to see or hear him again, and the only "gone" I know of where that is possible is dead.

The fact that he could change something so fundamental in who I am, even if it is only temporary, shocks me to my core. And I don't know how to deal with it.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:38 PM

Turin_C3PO (10,626 posts)

102. Same here.

I want him gone in whatever way possible. And I say that with some disappointment in myself for thinking that way. But it is what it is.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:36 PM

riverwalker (8,693 posts)

101. The depth of his corruption

Terrifies me.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:39 PM

fallout87 (819 posts)

103. That he has as much R support as Reagan did.

I mean, WTF?

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:42 PM

sellitman (11,274 posts)

104. I am surprised this is even a question.

I could fill pages...

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:45 PM

Hekate (82,772 posts)

105. It shocked me how FAST the takeover was. It happened so damned fast. Like someone took a crowbar...

...and jammed it into every small crack in our system of government and just started to tear it apart.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 10:51 PM

SMC22307 (8,039 posts)

107. It's exactly what Republicans did to North Carolina when they took over in 2010.

I detest them, but I'll give them credit -- they know what to do with power when they get it. And they are ALWAYS thinking of the long game...

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:03 PM

raging moderate (3,702 posts)

108. Atomic bombs have not exploded anywhere.

At least, at this point, atomic bombs have not exploded anywhere yet. I am profoundly grateful to the many unseen heroes who must have worked miracles to prevent this.

Things are not as bad as I had feared they would be.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:06 PM

DFW (50,534 posts)

109. The fact that he managed to come in far under my low expectations

They were pretty low to begin with, but sure enough, the damage wrought in less than two years is greater than I would have thought possible in four.

That, and the fact that he has brought out the absolute worst in so many US citizens. Anyone who harbored a latent potential for meanness and hate has been able to let the worst in them explode in all its ugly glory--and find plenty of company to boot. What we thought might become the shining city on the hill turns out to be mud village down on the flats like all the rest, just a little bigger and meaner. There are still pockets of good, but even as a majority, they do not dominate.

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Wed Oct 10, 2018, 11:56 PM

A-Schwarzenegger (15,584 posts)

110. that the US is so ill-protected against tyranny

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 12:33 AM

Skruffy (48 posts)

113. That two years later, he lies more, more criminal allegations, proves stupidity, illiteracy

and the harm he causes us all, even the world, that the Republican party has so solidly tied themselves to Trump. And his supporters.

I would never have thought that he could be all this, and have rallied the Republican Party to stand right next to him in the stupid, criminal, perverted of all this man is.

Yes, there has always been the element in the Republican Party, but never so in the face, obvious. Though, denying the SC pick was clear, and people bought that one.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 05:14 AM

Raine (29,471 posts)

115. The obsession with him

and over him gets bigger and bigger with no end in sight..

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 05:43 AM

Vinca (49,169 posts)

116. I'm surprised at just how bad he is in every way. I knew it wouldn't be good, but

I thought once installed he might ease back on the raving lunatic schtick. If anything, he's gotten worse. Guess it's not a schtick. He's nuts.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 06:16 AM

Dorian Gray (13,081 posts)

117. Hmmm..

That he was even more stupid than I thought?

Seriously, though, I agree with you. The resiliency of his supporters. And the moral and ethical twisting people do to justify their support of the evil that's being perpetrated.

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:52 AM

afp2 (2 posts)

119. TAKEOVER!!!!!!

The top military brass has not executed a coup yet???????

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Thu Oct 11, 2018, 09:54 AM

rtracey (2,062 posts)

120. well

His supporters has not moved much... mostly 30% for the term so far....meaning 70% non or not sure of support. I think the fact that he is an arrogant, narcissistic, sociopathic liar and the House, Senate and Supreme Court are buying into his bullshit. He claims to want to drain the swamp, but he is the swamp. I am hopeful the democrats and independents will turn out to show this clown we mean business. These elected officials have seem to forgotten that the word ELECTED is in their title.... they work for US, not the opposite, and its time we show them who is the boss and who needs to listen..... the government has seem to forgotten all of that.

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Fri Oct 12, 2018, 12:25 AM

nini (16,632 posts)