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Funtatlaguy

(10,863 posts)
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:36 AM Oct 2018

Cognitive Dissonance 😆- when you love some Trump supporters.

Cog Diss is defined as having diff beliefs or thoughts that are at odds.
I think that has now been turned up to new and dangerous levels in our country.

We progressives and Dems really detest people like Trump, McConnell and Kavanaugh.
But, many of us really love or deeply care about people who voted for and still support them.

In the past, like under W, I think many of us (at least I did) just avoided any political talk with our Bush supporting loved ones.
But now, with Trump being so all invasive and so Trump and the gloating and the insults, etc. etc.

Well, you see where I’m going.
I am very worried that I’m going to lose some very important relationships in my life.
It is becoming harder and harder to just avoid politics with certain people.
Instead I am just avoiding these people on days that I just don’t have the energy to fake it that all is good when I don’t respect these people. Can you still love someone you no longer respect?

Cognitive Dissonance sucks. Thanks Trump. Thanks GOP.

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Cognitive Dissonance 😆- when you love some Trump supporters. (Original Post) Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 OP
Thanksgiving dinner will be very interesting this year. nt Xipe Totec Oct 2018 #1
"Pass the carving up republicans knife...oops, I meant the butter knife....you fascist fuc😱". Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #2
Instead of baked turkey serve schadenfreude turkey this year. Xipe Totec Oct 2018 #4
It is hard indeed. FM123 Oct 2018 #3
Right wingers are habitually insecure people. Right wingers live for attention. Trust Buster Oct 2018 #5
At some point you have to ascertain what people truly, deeply believe... Girard442 Oct 2018 #6
I divorced myself from all RW friends and family during the Bush years. Life is better now! Floyd R. Turbo Oct 2018 #7
Some of us have family (especially children) and financial relationships that preclude us Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #11
Wealthy frumpers are a lost cause. Money is all. Unless you increase their wealth, they don't have n lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #8
I'm having more problem with teabilly leftist revolutionaries agincourt Oct 2018 #9
I have a friend who had been like a father to me for 40 years. elocs Oct 2018 #10
I've always managed to keep it separate before. This time I can't do that. Autumn Oct 2018 #12
Sorry for your loss. And it is a loss. Funtatlaguy Oct 2018 #13
We are all up in years and to reach a point where you no longer can Autumn Oct 2018 #14
The irony is that when people in my circle of like-minded friends meet... Girard442 Oct 2018 #15
Same here. But they have begun to spew their hate on anything, even non political related Autumn Oct 2018 #16
I can tell you rownesheck Oct 2018 #17

FM123

(10,053 posts)
3. It is hard indeed.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 08:47 AM
Oct 2018

While all my immediate family members are Democrats, there are some in-laws & extended family members who are trumplicans - unfortunately with the holidays coming up, it will be hard to avoid them.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
5. Right wingers are habitually insecure people. Right wingers live for attention.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:02 AM
Oct 2018

Right wingers live to provoke. Ignoring them is the best way to defeat them IMO. I would suggest that you extend the traditional pleasantries and nothing more. My right wing family members have definitely received my cold shoulder.

Girard442

(6,066 posts)
6. At some point you have to ascertain what people truly, deeply believe...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:04 AM
Oct 2018

...and exactly what beliefs cross the line into those so repugnant that you shun those people. It's not an easy task, since right-wingers are disingenuous when you discuss issues and principles with them.

Well, I don't think anybody should be lynched, but you know, those folks that were weren't good people and the law wasn't taking care of things the way it should have.

Funtatlaguy

(10,863 posts)
11. Some of us have family (especially children) and financial relationships that preclude us
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:33 AM
Oct 2018

from dropping them.
These are the types of situations that I’m talking about.

lindysalsagal

(20,592 posts)
8. Wealthy frumpers are a lost cause. Money is all. Unless you increase their wealth, they don't have n
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:14 AM
Oct 2018

need of you. You are one of those money-grubbing takers: Taking their money away from them.

They believe in their marrow that they are more deserving, smart, well-born, whatever, and even in the face of total devestation, will cling to their perceived superiority to the end. With them, remember that they are masters of self-delusion, and that their hard-earned outer trappings always mask inner insecurity and turmoil, else they wouldn't be so lacking in compassion in the first place. Money corrupts, and so despite the pretty image they display, you don't want to be in their world.

If a frumper needs Obamacare, or values the environment, then there is always a chance they'll at least admit some of his policies are hurtful, and you can share that little piece of ground.

For those who are ambivilent, accept that they are still being honest, and that your interactions with them are real and lasting.

You can always score points whenever a topic arises where Obama improved things.

agincourt

(1,996 posts)
9. I'm having more problem with teabilly leftist revolutionaries
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:20 AM
Oct 2018

In nebraska the hate for the democratic party is so strong it seeps into leftist activism. They target "elitist" liberals constantly while pretending the GOP does not exist and it makes me furious. The MAGA clowns I stay away from.

elocs

(22,550 posts)
10. I have a friend who had been like a father to me for 40 years.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:29 AM
Oct 2018

In fact, he and his wife considered me to be their 4th son. We live in the same city but he would call me nearly everyday. But he and his wife bleed Republican and I haven't seen nor spoken with him for over 4 years. The irony is that his youngest son is a Liberal.

Holidays are no problem for me since I don't celebrate them. Since I am a schizoid and prefer to avoid gatherings of people and people in general other than casual contact, that's not a problem for me either. But the divide in this country is hard, fast, deep, and unforgiving and it awaits a spark that will truly set in aflame.

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
12. I've always managed to keep it separate before. This time I can't do that.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:52 AM
Oct 2018

I have two sisters who live in different states but we were always close, talking on the phone, FB and visits. Through every Republican administration politics never intruded. Now, the hatred rolls off them in waves. I have no respect for them and I avoid them and ignore their calls, if they leave a message I'll send them back a short text in reply. I stay off FB because of the shit they post. My oldest from OK comes twice a year to see her kids and grand kids and will spend 2 days or three days with us. This year when she calls to let us know when she's coming, I've decided I will not be in town during that time.

Funtatlaguy

(10,863 posts)
13. Sorry for your loss. And it is a loss.
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 09:54 AM
Oct 2018

I got off of social media.
I am missing so many great family moments and pictures of kids that I love because of it.

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
14. We are all up in years and to reach a point where you no longer can
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:14 AM
Oct 2018

enjoy the company of the few remaining siblings you have because of their nastiness over everything and everybody it really sucks. I'm at a point where I don't want that negative hate about other people in my life.

Girard442

(6,066 posts)
15. The irony is that when people in my circle of like-minded friends meet...
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:48 AM
Oct 2018

...we often avoid discussing politics because it's too upsetting, even in a group that's all on the same page. We could probably get through a mixed holiday gathering just fine if the right-wingers would just STFU.

Autumn

(44,986 posts)
16. Same here. But they have begun to spew their hate on anything, even non political related
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 10:53 AM
Oct 2018

discussions. This year there will be no holiday gatherings, I'm going to have other plans.

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
17. I can tell you
Sun Oct 7, 2018, 12:50 PM
Oct 2018

my trump loving dad had a pretty serious heart situation which required a trip to the emergency room, several tests, and an upcoming heart procedure. My step mom texted me about it. Usually I'd call and check on him. I'm struggling over making the call because i don't want the conversation to veer in a political direction. It's been 5 days.

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