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Tue Oct 2, 2018, 06:21 AM

(Gee, sorry! Already too late to) PHYSICALLY GO TO AN FBI FIELD OFFICE & INSIST ON REPORTING ON KAV.

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I sent the below to Greg Sargent at the Post, Gail Collins at the Times, Rachel's show, and CNN. Trump is playing word games and lying about the latitude the FBI has while he runs out the clock on his sham investigation. I wrote the below before his supposed relaxing of the restrictions Monday, but my opinion hasn't changed. I notice we still haven't seen either set of Trump's orders to the FBI. Until we do, assume Trump's lying and the background investigation is still on a severely tight leash. WaPo says the restrictions are "slightly" less than they were, but they don't know how or how much. And what they were was a farce: 4 people, 3 of whom were already on record as remembering nothing, and the 4th already on record as denying everything. 

If McConnell holds a final vote Friday, then 3 of the 6 days the FBI has are already gone. Witnesses against Kavanaugh need to FORCE their statements into this outrageous "process."

This is how to do that.


Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:32 PM 
To: rachel@msnbc.com 
Subject: Fw: Publicize a way to get Kav reports into FBI records anyway 


Sent: Monday, October 1, 2018 6:01 PM 
To: sargentg@washpost.com 
Subject: Publicize a way to get Kav reports into FBI records anyway 


Hi Greg: 

I think this workaround will work; check with your Bureau sources about whether it will. 

Do your best to get the word out, FAST, that if you have relevant info on Kavanaugh or Mark Judge, to not call the FBI and wait for a call back, because that's probably been specifically prohibited by McCabe and Trump until the 7 days are up. 

Tell people to instead PHYSICALLY GO TO AN FBI OFFICE, tell them you're there to REPORT A FEDERAL CRIME, and then sit in their damn lobby and refuse to leave until a SPECIAL AGENT TAKES YOUR REPORT. 

INSIST you want to report the crime RIGHT THERE AND THEN, and don't let them put you off. Because they probably will if you let them, Christopher Wray is almost surely under presidential orders to essentially run out the clock on this background investigation (BI) extension. 

Thursday Sep. 27, 2018 Brett Kavanaugh committed maybe 100 federal crimes. He lied under oath to Congress about that many times, and everybody witnessed it. Whichever lie he told that a person has specific knowledge is false, is the federal crime to report there in the FBI field office. 

And again, you must INSIST on reporting what you know to be a federal crime, based on whatever information you have that is contrary to his lie. Be prepared for the field office agents to try to not take the report, by saying it falls under a BI that a special team of agents is doing and you'd need to report it directly to them. Well, that special BI team of agents are not going to talk to you until after Friday, if then.  

So INSIST. There has been a federal crime committed, and you insist on reporting what you know about it, right then and there. 

Stay until you do. 

Ask for a photocopy of the statement you sign. 

Take the special agent's name. I believe they're required to submit it within 24 hours of receiving the report. Ask to be emailed and mailed a copy of it. 

When you leave, immediately send all of the particulars to the Democratic senator of your choice. And to the Washington Post, New York Times, New Yorker, CNN, MSNBC, Guardian, and whatever other media of your choice. Probably the FBI will instruct you not to disclose your report to anybody... "ongoing investigation" and all that. I'd do it anyway and take my chances, because to not will probably be to have accomplished nothing. 

If everyone who knows factually about a Kavanaugh lie to Congress does this immediately, we can at least get the reports physically into the FBI somewhere. And Democratic senators, the principled media, and the American public hopefully can successfully demand that the reports be taken into account before a final vote to confirm Kavanaugh.  

I hope this works. We are in a fast-moving constitutional crisis created by a dishonest authoritarian president and his Republican senator co-conspirators. The White House is in the position to make Christopher Wray run out the clock while avoiding any new negative information about Kavanaugh in a sham of a BI. And we need to do everything can to counter this, right NOW. 

Thank you. 

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Reply (Gee, sorry! Already too late to) PHYSICALLY GO TO AN FBI FIELD OFFICE & INSIST ON REPORTING ON KAV. (Original post)
SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 OP
7962 Oct 2018 #1
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #5
7962 Oct 2018 #12
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #21
Perseus Oct 2018 #2
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #3
watoos Oct 2018 #4
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #7
brooklynite Oct 2018 #29
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #32
brooklynite Oct 2018 #35
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #42
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #6
7962 Oct 2018 #13
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #19
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #22
edbermac Oct 2018 #24
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #39
NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #8
spooky3 Oct 2018 #10
ehrnst Oct 2018 #11
Duppers Oct 2018 #15
NewJeffCT Oct 2018 #16
Duppers Oct 2018 #18
tblue37 Oct 2018 #25
calimary Oct 2018 #9
FailureToCommunicate Oct 2018 #14
Duppers Oct 2018 #17
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #20
Duppers Oct 2018 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #27
spooky3 Oct 2018 #28
brooklynite Oct 2018 #26
spooky3 Oct 2018 #30
brooklynite Oct 2018 #31
spooky3 Oct 2018 #33
7962 Oct 2018 #37
spooky3 Oct 2018 #38
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #40
spooky3 Oct 2018 #43
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2018 #34
Marengo Oct 2018 #36
SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #41
SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #44
SuprstitionAintthWay Oct 2018 #45
lindysalsagal Oct 2018 #46

Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 07:34 AM

1. If anyone had anything new, they should have already come forward!

 

To expect a stream of "new" info to appear at this point would sabotage the whole FBI investigation, IMO. It would be SO easy to say its all smoke and mirrors & another way to stall. You have to look at it from how the other side is going to spin it
The problem with encouraging anyone with anything to come forward is that it also encourages anyone who wants to bring out negative info on the WOMENS side as well. And it would have to be verified as well.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:21 AM

5. But aren't there legitimate claimants who have

Not been called by FBI? Like Dr Ford? Makes sense for her to file with FBI

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:51 AM

12. Sen Graham said Sun that she WOULD be interviewed.

 

Plus we've already got her hours of testimony.
They've already contacted Ramirez
The 3rd woman has a LOT of credibility & personal issues & I would bet her claims are dismissed when its all over with

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Response to 7962 (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:14 AM

21. Err on the side of quantity. Imho

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 07:52 AM

2. The media needs to help, they need to interview all those people and get the information out

The country needs to hear what these people have to say, because a week goes by very fast and if the information doesn't come out, it could be too late, we only have four days left.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:13 AM

3. Excellent post!!!! Excellent! You are so

Right that they've probably been told not to respond ..hence these players would have gotten call backs.

My first thought when we agreed to the ridiculous one week scope (we we're too excited to think strategy at that point) was that Avenatti needed to take his client to the steps of the FBI headquarters in DC at 9am Monday.

Will tweet for visibility! Thank you

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:20 AM

4. ACLU I'm talking to you

 

I have my membership renewal ready to mail. Whether I mail it or not will not make or break you. I am asking you to help these people out who want to contact the FBI.

Please.

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Response to watoos (Reply #4)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:26 AM

7. Yes...@aclu

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:30 AM

29. Pointless threats always get results...

So do demands for action that have nothing to do with the ACLU's core mission.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:37 AM

32. Oh..thought their mission had to do with insuring

People receiving a chance at justice

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:54 AM

35. Who's denying them justice?

Justice is derived through law enforcement and law courts. None of the women have been denied the right to file charges; they've chose not to. What is it you want the ACLU to do?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 03:03 PM

42. Justice

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:25 AM

6. Why doesn't Avenatti do this ? Why are people

Waiting by the phone? Get the media to film you on the FBI hq stairs!


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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:55 AM

13. Just look at her NBC interview not to mention her other problems.

 


When she picked him to represent her, I had my doubts, fair or not.
Focus on the others.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:10 AM

19. He stands by her with all her baggage! Take her to FBI

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Response to 7962 (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:16 AM

22. PS. Let the FBI grill her. Not up to us to decide if

She's telling the truth

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:24 AM

24. He tweeted about that.

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Response to edbermac (Reply #24)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 02:33 PM

39. Bummer ! What office DOES have jurisdiction.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:31 AM

8. Is sexual assault a federal crime?

I thought most of these crimes were the responsibility of local authorities?

What I heard was if the local FBI office isn't helpful, to send a certified letter to Grassley & Feinstein about the issue.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:41 AM

10. I'm wondering if s/he was referring to lying

To the committee. Several of the witnesses have said they saw him doing things he claimed never to have done.

I think people should ALSO send their evidence certified to the FBI so they will have evidence that FBI was notified. However this will help only if done in the next day or two because of mail delivery time.

Send copies certified to Grassley and Feinstein, too.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:42 AM

11. Statute of limitations is up for a misdemeanor assault, which Blasey Ford describes.

And a victim has to bring charges against the perpetrator, even if it's a felony rape and still within statute of limitations.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:00 AM

15. "certified letter to Grassley & Feinstein about the issue."

Another great suggestion!

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Response to Duppers (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:02 AM

16. I'd be worried about any sort of letter

getting handled by an assistant/intern and lost - especially those to Grassley.

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:09 AM

18. Grassley yes.

In person would be best, if possible.

Avenatti could help, perhaps?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:26 AM

25. Lying to Congress under oath is the federal crime he refers to. nt

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:40 AM

9. Kicking!!!

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:00 AM

14. Welcome to DU. Well done.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:07 AM

17. Excellent! Yes, GO to a field office. Don't call.

I did call decades ago and never got a call back and this was regarding national security investigation info.



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Response to Duppers (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:13 AM

20. Most of these people are local to DC ..think it

Would be very good to have them all waiting in line...saying no one called them back

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:22 AM

23. With local press cameras there. ;)

And call Avenatti's office.

It's still odd to me that people have to get a high profile atty these days to even be heard.

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Response to Duppers (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:29 AM

27. Yes! You have to make media splash for everything

Because there's too much noise out there..everywhere. trump has found a way to cut through it all. We need to too.

Repukes will only authorize those who make the biggest splash to talk to FBI..so if they are en masse hard to ignore. But time ticking away

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Response to Duppers (Reply #23)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:30 AM

28. And if they are local, they could hand carry copies

Of a letter to ALL of the committee member’s offices and ask for a receipt or take a photo at the office if permitted. One member may “lose” the letter, but all of them will not.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:28 AM

26. What the the Federal Crime they'll be reporting? That THEY have evidence for?

The WORST thing you can do is throw hyperbole into the investigation. It's a sure way to get ignored.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:34 AM

31. ...and what EVIDENCE do they have that he lied?

An unconfirmed accusation is not evidence.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #31)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:37 AM

33. Testimony under oath IS evidence, or have you not watched any

Of the lawyers explaining this? These witnesses are offering to testify under oath or to the FBI under penalty of law that they have seen Kavanaugh do things he told the committee he did not do. At least three people have told the media since Friday that they have this evidence but that the FBI has not contacted them.

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 12:39 PM

37. But a lot of that is subjective & would never fall under perjury. Its a high bar.

 

You can't say he's lying if HE says "I didnt have a drinking problem" and someone else says "he had a drinking problem"
It would just muddy the waters & end up looking like grabbing straws.

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Response to 7962 (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 02:24 PM

38. That is not what the lawyers have said on MSNBC. And,

saying you witnessed a behavior is not the same as saying, in your opinion, you conclude that he “has a problem.”

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Response to spooky3 (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 02:37 PM

40. Very strange behavior - IMHO - to push and push to in essence, not even

TRY to help find a solution. Always skepticalwhenever people suggest any type of action to help a situation and people are 100% committed to telling you you shouldn't. Like, why not say, "might not work - but good luck - hope it does !!"

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #40)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 04:14 PM

43. Yes indeed. Nt

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:42 AM

34. Yes it's a tricky situation we find ourselves in. But

Time is running out. The way I look at it is... Imagine they vote on Friday and this guy gets in. What would be the best position to be in next week.

1. Hear 10 isolated instances were so and so tried to call the FBI and got no response? Or

2. Hear a report that 10 people went to the FBI with negative information?

Strikes me that the second one would be better.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 09:56 AM

36. Advising folks to ignore FBI instructions not to disclose seems rather hazardous. Easy for you...

To say I suppose as you won’t actually be in this situation.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 03:03 PM

41. Short of such a step, if you have info, you're at the mercy of whatever constraints

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... the FBI is under that we don't even know about, and they're prohibited from telling us about.

So the only option is to make it not anout their BI, but instead a report of whatever federal crime you witnessed happen Thursday or in his earlier testimony under oath. Those were all fresh federal crimes.

The new permission agents doing the BI got yesterday I suspect is merely permission to now ask the deciders behind all this FOR permission to pursue or interview each individual newly discovered lead or person, and then wait for McGahn's, Trump's, and Grassley's decision, whenever that might or might not happen. And that's only so long as the new witness can give a first-hand account about only a narrow predetemimed set of topics or reported events.

Remember the word "necessary" in there? Agents can do whatever's necessary? Who and what defines what's necessary to pursue in the BI? I'll bet that's tightly constrained and it's not the agents who decide, it's McGahn Trump and Grassley.

Drinking? Off limits. Temperament? Off limits. Bar fights? Off limits. Lies to Congress other than explicitly about sexual assault charges 1-3? Off limits. These are my strong suspicions about how this sham is set up.

Without seeing the written orders and knowing the written or verbal constraints, word for word, we just cannot know the obviously many ways in which this BI is being kept clear of harmful reports about Kav.

That's why witnesses with information need to physically go to an FBI office and demand to report a federal crime... the hell with this bogus "background check" and the prison it's being held in for its last week of existence... and instead demand to report the federal crime you know about: a lie made under oath to Congress.

Might everyone trying to get their information in not want to be so bold as to do that? Of course. But there are lots of people who badly DO want to report what they know to the FBI, and they're being ignored and actively avoided. If they don't do this, Friday's going to arrive and their information is going to have been successfully kept out.

(An FBI director with integrity would have refused to let his agents take part in this whitewash, btw. He would have refused, and if need be, resigned. But that's one for another day.)

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 05:00 PM

44. Ordinary citizen-witnesses should try to report at an FBI office, too.

Michael Avenatti

✔@MichaelAvenatti

Be clear: 1. I CANNOT just walk my client into an FBI office. We tried that. They claim they don’t have jurisdiction and they refuse to take a stmt. 2. While we may file a criminal complaint, that will have no bearing on any vote due to timing. We will proceed with other options.

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Thank you Michael Avenatti and Julie Swetnick for trying this.

Four observations.

1. If there is anybody in America who the agents working in the Trump/Sessions/Wray FBI are under at least verbal instructions to not help or give any satisfaction to in any way remotely discretionary, it's Avenatti. I'm sure they're required to rebuff him with every bureaucratic weapon in their asenel... and they have a few.

2. That doesn't necessarily mean ordinary citizens will be rebuffed with the same finality. (Was Chad in Raleigh just summarily shown the FBI's door, too? I haven't had time to research it.)

3. There might be a better chance of citizen-witnesses' success especially if they, as has been suggested here by others, line up outside the FBI 's door, with the press alerted to what the complainants are trying to report. Let the Bureau tell them No, Go Away on camera.

4. Avenetti says he could have filed a crimimal complaint outside of the BI but thought it would be ineffectual. I'm saying if you then copy the criminal complaint immediately to Dem senators and the principled press, maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't be.

We're being steamrolled over right now, by a form of presidential authoritarianism we're used to seeing in Egypt, Turkey, and Russia. McConnell, enabled by this authoritarianism, says he's installing Kav this week. We have to at least fight back and try our best to keep the attempted (or even successful... we don't know) rapist off of Scotus. If we do fail, we must at least make it hard for the bastards, and also make it obvious to the world exactly how they're doing it.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:14 PM

45. Aaaannnnnd... our chance to report is OVER!

The FBI, by "calling this game" so early, tonight, is signalling they were handcuffed by the White House. They're telling us they've already completed every interview they WERE ALLOWED to do by Trump McGahn and Grassley. 

Spl agents know the many people they'd have started off interviewing, and then followed leads from there, were this not just political window dressing. They know how BIs are done, and know this isn't it. 

Are most of them Repubs? Absolutely. Wild guess, 80% of them, maybe? But the great majority take great pride in their professionalism, and can and want to doggedly uncover and report the truth, wherever that hunt might lead. Even most of the Trump-voting ones. 

The agents know when they're being used, and especially when that stops them from doing their job well, they resent it. I have little doubt this whole little exercise infuriated no small number of them. 

But they salute (figuratively) and obey their orders anyway. 

Yes, we just got steamrollered by an authoritarian White House, and its unhappy tool this week, the FBI. 

Everybody should have realized from the second the White House refused to show anybody except Repub senators what the content of Trump's orders to the FBI were, that this was going to be a sham. Maybe, MAYBE, if everybody on our side had recognized that IMMEDIATELY, we could have done this. Made a spectacle of witnesses lining up outside of FBI offices, and being sent away, in front of cameras.

I'll say it again, Christopher Wray should have resigned rather that let his agency be used in such a corrupt way. This farce is going to be remembered as a huge black mark on its reputation.

Watch: now after 2 years of smearimg and undermining the FBI Trump's going to be praising its thoroughness accuracy and integrity to the heavens.

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Response to SuprstitionAintthWay (Original post)

Tue Oct 2, 2018, 08:17 PM

46. Nope. Go to a newsroom with physical evidence and be prepared to go on air. FBI doesn't want you.

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