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TheMastersNemesis

(10,602 posts)
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 12:57 PM Sep 2018

Forget About The Polls They Can Lead To Complacency. Remember Hillary Had It In the Bag.

Polls can be misleading. It all comes down to who votes and who counts. And we must be aware of October surprises by the GOP. I won't rest or believe until we have spilled GOP blood all over the landscape in floods politically at the polls. The media is just too much hyping them. Plus if the polls get more favorable the media will just blast the Democrats to make it a too close to call election when they should be burying the GOP at every turn.

We have to run like bats out of hell like we are behind. We have to kill the Groper Old Party.

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Forget About The Polls They Can Lead To Complacency. Remember Hillary Had It In the Bag. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Sep 2018 OP
Jim Comey JI7 Sep 2018 #1
This. Bigly. Remember... Beartracks Sep 2018 #2
Trust no polls. GOTV! dalton99a Sep 2018 #3
I'm voting, come Hell or high water. Aristus Sep 2018 #4
Personally I worry about the polls being a means for the Repugs to fudge the numbers fierywoman Sep 2018 #5
K&R!!!! redstatebluegirl Sep 2018 #6
Polls can be misleading but they weren't in 2016. Comey turned that entire election upside down, StevieM Sep 2018 #7
Winning is not enough, as a goal NotASurfer Sep 2018 #8
So what are we to do about Russians altering the vote totals?? triron Sep 2018 #9
They didn't. The conspiracy theory that they did has absolutely zero evidence mythology Sep 2018 #13
support an election integrity group questionseverything Sep 2018 #28
K&R smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #10
Yes. This polling also included disturbing news: Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #11
Er, all things being equal, Ds outnumber Rs by a significant number. stopbush Sep 2018 #14
Er, the theme of this OP is fighting complacency Tom Rinaldo Sep 2018 #16
Registration deadline is Oct 5th LET'S GET BUSY ! WhiteTara Sep 2018 #12
Is there any evidence that polls cause complacency? Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #15
Going to vote and voting third party, write in, or blanking louis c Sep 2018 #17
Absolutely! You can bet the rethugs will be digging ol' grandpa out of the grave to vote. Texin Sep 2018 #18
The media is following their same pattern used in 2016. Mr.Bill Sep 2018 #19
That's what I've been thinking. If there's one thing that's been... LAS14 Sep 2018 #20
GOTV, my friends. muntrv Sep 2018 #21
long lines can lead to giving up and going home. SleeplessinSoCal Sep 2018 #22
Here's an ad idea greymattermom Sep 2018 #23
That would be a reat ad Gothmog Sep 2018 #25
Polls do not win elections Gothmog Sep 2018 #24
My wife and I filled out and mailed our absentee ballots today. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #26
Message auto-removed Name removed Sep 2018 #27

Aristus

(66,308 posts)
4. I'm voting, come Hell or high water.
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:04 PM
Sep 2018

Anyone wants to stand in my way, he'd better be square with God first, and he'd better pack a lunch.

fierywoman

(7,679 posts)
5. Personally I worry about the polls being a means for the Repugs to fudge the numbers
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:17 PM
Sep 2018

in their favor at the last minute during the ballot-counting.

StevieM

(10,500 posts)
7. Polls can be misleading but they weren't in 2016. Comey turned that entire election upside down,
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 01:49 PM
Sep 2018

just like he did in July with his bogus press conference. And Putin helped too.

Trump's campaign was ridiculous, and didn't impress most sing voters, but Comey, Putin, the State Department IG office and the GOP establishment put him over the top.


NotASurfer

(2,149 posts)
8. Winning is not enough, as a goal
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:00 PM
Sep 2018

Aim for landslide territory. We're already winning special elections despite partisan gerrymandering, kick it up a notch and win despite trolls, fake news, and hacking. If this was football it's like playing a road game knowing home refs will shade every close call - and some not so close- against you. GOTV and run up the score!

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
13. They didn't. The conspiracy theory that they did has absolutely zero evidence
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:41 PM
Sep 2018
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/06/were-2016-vote-counts-in-michigan-and-wisconsin-hacked-we-double-checked/?utm_term=.ec01a76795e0

In brief, we find no evidence that the voting technology favored one candidate more than the other.

Nor could we find any statistical differences correlated with accessibility technologies or with different voting technology vendors.

The tests uncovered nothing suspicious. That supports a conclusion that voting machines themselves were not hacked.




questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
28. support an election integrity group
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:59 PM
Sep 2018
http://www.wisconsinelectionintegrity.org/racinecountymiscounts

The highest error rate was in the City of Racine’s Ward 26, where election officials failed to count 6.1% of the votes, even during the recount. More than 1 in every 17 voters were disenfranchised in that ward. Detailed results are here, for each candidate and ward.

Wisconsin Elections Commission officials believe the voting machines failed to detect the votes because voters had marked ballots with types of ink that the machines could not detect. After other counties hand-counted the recount and discovered the high rates of missed votes, the WEC decertified the machines (prohibited their future use in Wisconsin) in late September.

County Clerk Wendy Christensen has not yet publicly explained why the county board of canvassers chose twice to certify the results as 'correct and true' without checking, despite the obviously suspicious number of missing votes.

"We needed the manual count to get the truth,” said Village of Pleasant Prairie voter Liz Whitlock, who was among the recount observers who could see the voting machines missing votes.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
11. Yes. This polling also included disturbing news:
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 02:07 PM
Sep 2018

"Pollsters also found that Republicans’ enthusiasm has drawn nearly even with Democrats"

The enthusiasm gap was something that we have been counting on. We are far from being out of the woods with this election where we have to fight gerrymandering along with the Republicans.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
16. Er, the theme of this OP is fighting complacency
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 03:34 PM
Sep 2018

It's widely known that D's outnumber R's, and of course it's all about GOTV. But complacency is all about taking comfort from positive indications. What I quoted above was the first time I have seen any poll indicate that the enthusiasm gap which, has consistently shown Democratic voters more likely to vote than Republicans, has started to close. We can use this reporting as ammunition for our own GOTV efforts

Bradshaw3

(7,497 posts)
15. Is there any evidence that polls cause complacency?
Sun Sep 23, 2018, 03:28 PM
Sep 2018

I haven't seen it and you can make an argument that good numbers inspire more people. I think the complacency meme is overdone. People weren't complacent in 2016, they just weren't inspired. They are in 2018.

 

louis c

(8,652 posts)
17. Going to vote and voting third party, write in, or blanking
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:14 AM
Sep 2018

is no fucking good, either.

You not only need to vote, but you have to vote smart, especially in a General Election.

Mr.Bill

(24,263 posts)
19. The media is following their same pattern used in 2016.
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:25 AM
Sep 2018

On election eve they will be calling almost every race a dead heat. This serves two purposes. It makes ratings higher on election night and it means they weren't really wrong regardless of the out come. It's like the weatherman saying there's a 50% chance of rain.

Vote as if we will lose if you don't.

LAS14

(13,780 posts)
20. That's what I've been thinking. If there's one thing that's been...
Mon Sep 24, 2018, 10:27 AM
Sep 2018

...consistent over the last year, it's that polls can be wildly off the mark. Fortunately it's usually been in favor of the left, but, hey. Can't count on it. Mustn't count on it.

bearsfootball516

(6,376 posts)
26. My wife and I filled out and mailed our absentee ballots today.
Tue Sep 25, 2018, 03:27 PM
Sep 2018

Mr. Donnelly, you have two more votes from Indiana citizens who were too young to vote for you the first time you ran for Senate in 2012.

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