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Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:59 PM

Paul Manafort's Flip Is A Disaster For Mike Pence

I hope!

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/09/14/paul-manaforts-flip-is-a-disaster-for-mike-pence.html

Posted on Fri, Sep 14th, 2018 by Jason Easley
Paul Manafortís Flip Is A Disaster For Mike Pence


Paul Manafort hand-picked Mike Pence to be Trumpís VP nominee, so Manafortís flip could be very bad news for the vice president.

Laurence Tribe tweeted:




Mike Pence also has a Russia problem

One of the most overlooked aspects of the Russia scandal is the central role that Vice President Pence played in the campaign and transition. MSNBCís Rachel Maddow has been hammering away that the Pence role in the Russia scandal for more than a year.

Maddow said, ďVice President Mike Pence has made a number of blunt, direct false statements related to the Trump Russia investigation both during the transition and since he was vice president. When controversy started to swirl around Mike Flynn because of his foreign contacts, Mike Pence bluntly asserted that the Trump transition did not apply for a security clearance for Mike Flynnís son. They had actually applied for a security clearance for Mike Flynnís son. After the president fired the FBI Director, Mike Pence bluntly asserted that the decision to fire James Comey was based on a recommendation from the Deputy Attorney General. The President himself and reportedly the Deputy Attorney General himself now today have both made clear that that was not the reason James Comey was fired.Ē


Rep. Adam Schiff has explained why Pence is going down with Trump in the Russia scandal.
https://www.politicususa.com/2017/05/18/rep-adam-schiff-explains-mike-pence-russia-scandal.html
Posted on Thu, May 18th, 2017 by Jason Easley
Rep. Adam Schiff Explains Why Mike Pence Is Going Down For The Russia Scandal

There Is A Manafort/Pence Connection

People like Mike Flynn and Paul Manafort know how involved Pence was in any potential activities with Russia. The nation is concentrating on how bad Manafortís flip and cooperation is for Trump, but donít ignore that each flip is bad for Mike Pence. The vice president isnít going to escape this scandal unscathed. If Trump goes down, Mike Pence is going with him.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:03 PM

1. Thoughts and prayers for ye, Mikey

but I don't think you'll like what I'm thinkin' & prayin'.

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:11 PM

4. .



I see what you did there!

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Response to Cirque du So-What (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:02 PM

47. I'll send prayers, too.

To her:

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Response to volstork (Reply #47)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:27 PM

51. LOL. I will laugh all night.

Hope you donít mind but I just clipped(stole) it.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #51)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 07:29 AM

56. Oh, I stole it too!

Glad you enjoyed!

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Response to volstork (Reply #47)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:43 AM

58. Wicked!






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Response to volstork (Reply #47)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:52 PM

62. OMG!

 

In an online sea of excellent memes, this has to be among the greatest Iíve seen in a while.

Clipping and reusing!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:05 PM

2. President Pelosi

Right?

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:21 PM

25. I said that 2 years ago...

And all the wingnuts at work laughed at me.....

Just wait, assholes....just wait.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:46 PM

32. I'd prefer a new House Majority name Hillary Clinton Speaker...

It would be very special kind of icing on the cake for them to have to eat, that all their hatred of her, and their ratfucking, and outright treason, COULDNT keep her from that which she rightly WON from them.

An icing made of delicious, delicious, schadenfreude, after a Main Course of Crow, braised in CHOKE-cherry sauce and their own Republican Tears.

Lovley lol...

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Response to Volaris (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:35 PM

39. Wow, that's an f-ing great idea!

 

I love the whole concept. I'm sure most of us here on DU know that the Speaker doesn't have to be an elected representative.

Just imagine the shit-storm that would ensue. Hillary would be appointing all the committee chairs.

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Response to bitterross (Reply #39)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:20 PM

50. They'd scream 'deep state coup' until they fell the fuck down from lack of air intake for sure.

Even if it was just a 'placeholder' position, or honorary, or whatever, (cause there's no guarantee of a Senate majority to actually convict the motherfucker if he is impeached by the House) and Pelosi were to actually do the day to day, whip votes, etc...

Can you IMAGINE how much fun and how EFFECTIVE it would be to the task of uncovering the rest of the treasonweasles if Hillary were RUNNING that show? How much absolute FEAR it would instill in anybody who thought about crossing her?

Wanna bet a Senate Republican majority would cut a deal to impeach his ass...on the grounds she stepped down first?

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Response to Volaris (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:03 PM

48. I am with you as well

 

That would be grand.

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:37 PM

40. Could be

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Response to greymattermom (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:46 AM

59. Right! What a possibility. Nancy's more talented and qualified

than all but one or two possible competitors in the Democratic caucus. Above all, she's someone who can get things done, and she'd certainly know how to work with congress to make it happen.

How rocky a road to that point, though. Our first woman would president would have been elected by the people but Trump would take office. Our second woman president would not be elected but would serve as president.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:11 PM

3. It adds up to why Pence has been on a public publicity tour lately

to make himself look all innocent and to promote 45's agenda. He's dirty too.

Pence.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:13 PM

5. If I'm not mistaken

Didn't Mueller get all the emails/texts/phones involved in the transition process because that was part of the transition process - signing away rights to those things?

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #5)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:50 PM

61. And don't forget the...

... 65 confiscated phones of Cohen's, the RNC's Treasurer was it ?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:15 PM

6. Pence is traitor Manafort's republican PICK

Pence has Manafort Traitor Stink all over his republican butt.

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Response to Achilleaze (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:58 PM

18. Yeah. Looks like Pence was picked by Putin. nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:16 PM

7. This just keeps getting sweeter!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:17 PM

8. All of Pence's Intentional Flying Under the Radar May be for Naught

We'll see.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:19 PM

9. Manafort chose Pence as VP at putin's direction

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:23 PM

10. K&R

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:28 PM

11. Oh, SNAP! I hadn't thought of that!

 

Manafort can bring down TRUMP and PENCE!

Mueller may be hitting two pieces of $hit with one stone (Roger Stone?)!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:30 PM

12. Did he flip or did he just plead? nt

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:23 PM

26. FLIPPED. Cooperation agreement.

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Response to AZ8theist (Reply #26)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 05:50 PM

70. Cool.

 

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Response to lunatica (Reply #65)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:42 PM

68. Plus all last night the analysts called it "a complete fold."

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:47 PM

13. Today was a Cosmic Shift

A laserbeam on the the Collusionists! Mueller is really going for it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:48 PM

14. Just a what-if...

1. Dems win the House in November
2. Mueller nails both Trump and Pence.
3. We end up with President Pelosi.
4. Repug heads explode.

Even if not Pelosi, a Dem speakership vote now has a chance of determining the next President

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:52 PM

34. Then the next Speaker should be Hillary Clinton.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:54 PM

15. Maybe Nancy Pelosi will be our next POTUS!

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Response to secondwind (Reply #15)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 02:35 PM

64. She (or anyone assuming the role from Speaker position) can also pick Hillary.

That's how Rockefeller got to be V.P. under Ford.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:57 PM

16. Kick


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:31 PM

29. This!

I've been saying this for months.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:57 PM

17. slowly a smile is returning to my face after 2 years.

this really helps

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:00 PM

19. That's gonna cause a smug whince

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:04 PM

20. 3rd in line for President is...Paul Ryan.

How ironic. The wishy washy about-to-leave-politics Paul Ryan is 3rd in line for the presidency, and that could actually happen!

That's bad news, unless the Blue Wave happens big. He'll push doing away with Social Security & Medicare...his wet dream for many years.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:41 PM

31. Paul Ryan will be long gone before any such thing can happen...

So I no longer worry about him getting anywhere near the Oval.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:53 PM

35. His replacement might scare the socks off of us. The alt-right has been trying...

to push him out, so he can be replaced with one of their own. The alt-right is in control of the House, on some fronts. The Tea Partiers won that fight for the party, unless the establishment can take it back.

Ryan is not one of the alt-right. He's establishment, with a splash of libertarianism (which is what he really is).

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:54 PM

36. True enough

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:07 PM

21. Goes way beyond Pense: the gop leadership: Owned by Putin

https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/08/03/tangled-web-connects-russian-oligarch-money-gop-campaigns

Donald Trump and the political action committees for Mitch McConnell, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and John McCain accepted $7.35 million in contributions from a Ukrainian-born oligarch who is the business partner of two of Russian president Vladimir Putin's favorite oligarchs and a Russian government bank.

During the 2015-2016 election season, Ukrainian-born billionaire Leonard "Len" Blavatnik contributed $6.35 million to leading Republican candidates and incumbent senators. Mitch McConnell was the top recipient of Blavatnik's donations, collecting $2.5 million for his GOP Senate Leadership Fund under the names of two of Blavatnik's holding companies, Access Industries and AI Altep Holdings, according to Federal Election Commission documents and OpenSecrets.org.

Marco Rubio's Conservative Solutions PAC and his Florida First Project received $1.5 million through Blavatnik's two holding companies. Other high dollar recipients of funding from Blavatnik were PACS representing Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker at $1.1 million, South Carolina Senator Lindsey Graham at $800,000, Ohio Governor John Kasich at $250,000 and Arizona Senator John McCain at $200,000.

The convoluted web that links Putin's oligarchs to Trump's political associates and top Republicans is difficult to take in.

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Response to lindysalsagal (Reply #21)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 02:57 AM

54. If this is all true, then how much do you want to bet that McCain passed info on to Mueller as a

....going away gift?

And Lindsay Graham has had to "cooperate"....



Just sayin...

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #54)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 07:04 AM

55. I'd bet a paycheck on it.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:11 PM

22. Dense Pence

 

And the stupid ass moron from Indiana is as dirty as they come.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:16 PM

24. YEP.

I recall many people saying and posting that removing Trump from office would be its own disaster because it would leave Pence to become President ...

My response has always been that Pence is just as deep in the Russia conspiracy as anyone else, specifically because he was Manafort's personal pick for VP and Trump did not initially choose him. I also believe that Ryan and McConnell are involved or at least aware of the goings on with Russia. I normally do not subscribe to any conspiracy narratives, but swinging an election to one of the least popular candidates in modern history is work that has to be coordinated on many levels.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:25 PM

27. Bless your heart, Mike Pense

You treasonous bastard.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:29 PM

28. I had heard they might go down together

Infact, many of the Republicans in the White house my face trial soon!

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:33 PM

30. Pence has perfected the "taking a shit face"

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:47 PM

43. I thought that he was perpetually constipated

He'll shit some bricks now

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:49 PM

33. Thoughts & prayers for Mike and Mother

Please, gods, make them go away.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:12 PM

37. Here are old DU articles about Pence and even his brother's connections...

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:13 PM

38. I'm thinking this Russia scandal will take out most of the GOP

leadership.

Good riddance.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:38 PM

41. Better start praying Mike, Mother warned you about this.

Be sure your sin will find you out. Remember that one Mike?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:44 PM

42. Sneaky, slimy Pence is as bad,if not worse than, Traitor Don

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #42)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:17 PM

49. Russian

Red Don and Moscow Mike.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:48 PM

44. Unless Putin made sure Pence was clean, so Pence could takeover in case Trump is toppled.

Don't know if that would be possible, but I wouldn't put anything past Putin.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:54 PM

45. I hope so...Throw both of their @sses out!nt

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:00 PM

46. Yep, up to his skeevy albino eyebrows in all of it.

There is no way someone can be that pious without a brigade of skeletons in his closet.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:29 PM

52. Be very very quiet about this.

We do not want the R's to think there is any chance that we can take down Trump and Pence Together and Pelosi become the first female POTUS.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:39 AM

53. Feel free to walk out early, Pence

n/t

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:35 AM

57. Can't take down Nixon without taking down Agnew, too.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:08 PM

60. Really hope Pence is taken out, but not holding my breath.

We've seen extreme self control in Pence all this time. Although I don't doubt for a moment that he's guilty of something from being in the middle of that mess, he may well have been able to maintain not just legal separation but plausible deniability for the electorate and come out with the press hailing and honeymooning President Pence as America back on course.

Plus, I don't care how Laurence Tribe puts it, although Manafort did unquestionably help foist Pence on a reluctant Trump, that this hireling chose Pence, a man with his own power bloc and well above his grade, seems extremely unlikely. That would mean Manafort got Pence to agree.

What would Manafort and Trump have to offer the governor of Indiana except four months of humiliation, degradation, ruin of his career in politics, and unemployment? Pence would know a great deal about Manafort's background and have nothing but contempt for the depraved buffoon. Where are Junior and Javanka in this picture?

Okay, so an interesting offer comes from Putin.

Pence is already on the Kochs' short list of people to run for president or other high office. Why on earth would he become Trump's VP for Putin when he could do the same thing for those he's already allied with, without any risk of prison? Undoubtedly at that point Pence and the Kochs etcetera knew that Russia was interfering to try to defeat the Democrats. The only reason I could see would be if Putin was blackmailing him...

But notably, after the fact we know our American right-wing billionaires did belatedly get behind Trump and later did a fantastic job of stuffing his administration, including the cabinet, with their people. The list Trump agreed to choose SCOTUS nominees from was also made up of their choices. Would they have skipped the VP slot -- unless given the long shot that Pence was slipped past them by Putin and Manafort and thus they had to keep their distance? Especially when the chances of Trump serving out his full term were very questionable?

All a way of saying, I'm with everyone in hoping to see Pence in an orange jumpsuit. But it's very possible things are progressing according to a plan made in America.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:55 PM

63. You know, if I were in Manafort's situation

I'd do my best to ensure that EVERYONE eventually joined me in prison.

What does he really have to lose at this point?

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:31 PM

66. Pence scares me almost more than Trump

I know I've said it before, but it's still true. "Handmaid's Tale" anticipated someone exactly like Mike Pence and all his evangelical enablers.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:38 PM

67. we were worried about impeachment because of Mike Pence, but it didn't take long before we

realized he was just as implicated and complicit as everybody else.

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Response to babylonsister (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:41 PM

69. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread babylonsister.

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