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Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:16 PM

Forget Trump for a minute, realize w/ the Manafort flip Mueller is going after the Russians & Putin

Mueller has already indicted the hackers in Russia who did the work.
Now he's going after the boss(es).

That's what a guy who prosecuted gangs, drug cartels, mobsters, and RICO cases does.
He climbs the ladder, not just here, but internationally too.

This is bigger than Trump really. Trump is a pawn.
He's going after the Russian oligarchs Manafort was in business with, and like any good mob prosecution, he's going after the big man at the top, Vladimir Putin, who authorized the "hit" on America.

What kind of shitstorm is going to happen to Trump and Co. if Bob Mueller proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that Vladimir Putin ordered the hackings of our candidates and interference in our elections to help Trump?

The Mueller team is an army at war.

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Reply Forget Trump for a minute, realize w/ the Manafort flip Mueller is going after the Russians & Putin (Original post)
TeamPooka Sep 14 OP
unblock Sep 14 #1
TeamPooka Sep 14 #5
unblock Sep 14 #10
LiberalLovinLug Sep 14 #36
0rganism Sep 14 #2
TeamPooka Sep 14 #13
Baitball Blogger Sep 14 #3
TeamPooka Sep 14 #12
Hortensis Sep 14 #4
TeamPooka Sep 14 #8
Hortensis Sep 14 #9
Qutzupalotl Sep 14 #6
renate Sep 14 #29
Qutzupalotl Sep 14 #38
Leghorn21 Sep 14 #7
maxrandb Sep 14 #11
TeamPooka Sep 14 #14
Mr.Bill Sep 14 #21
Patterson Sep 14 #15
Garrett78 Sep 14 #16
eleny Sep 14 #18
FailureToCommunicate Sep 14 #22
Scurrilous Sep 14 #17
GeorgeGist Sep 14 #19
NewJeffCT Sep 14 #24
FakeNoose Sep 14 #32
oasis Sep 14 #20
bucolic_frolic Sep 14 #23
TeamPooka Sep 14 #30
ananda Sep 14 #25
brush Sep 14 #26
Chakaconcarne Sep 14 #27
Frustratedlady Sep 14 #28
Raven123 Sep 14 #31
TeamPooka Sep 14 #37
BigmanPigman Sep 14 #33
ffr Sep 14 #34
Uncle Joe Sep 14 #35
Skraxx Sep 14 #39
TeamPooka Sep 15 #40
Skraxx Sep 15 #42
TeamPooka Sep 15 #43
Skraxx Sep 15 #44
Mr. Ected Sep 15 #41

Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:23 PM

1. unfortunately, donnie can live with that.

he can say, ok mueller, good luck trying to bring him in, and carry on like nothing happened.

and until there's a trial, donnie can continue the same game of just denying all these allegations.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:30 PM

5. Even hard core Republicans in Congress will react if Mueller brings back the goods on Putin

proof is proof.

look at rick scott and the FL republicans who dumped on trump about the Maria deaths in Puerto Rico numbers this week.

because facts are facts and they knew it.

Either way we get to use it as a campaign issue by asking every republican in office where they stand on it.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:34 PM

10. in the case of florida republicans and the maria deaths, it has much to do with constituencies.

in the case of russian interference, i'm not sure facts will cut through to the ultra-loyalists remaining in the republican party.

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Response to unblock (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:24 PM

36. Yup. I'm afraid that Mueller is steering the ship away from Donnie and to the Russians

I resist these kinds of desperately zealous showers of heroism on Mueller before he's near done. I'm not convinced this Republican who still wants to have at least a small circle of friends left after this is all over, is not open to hearing fellow, more moderate Republicans whisper to him that its about preserving the the dignity of the office, (I know). That its for 'national security' reasons we simply cannot even bring up the act of treason, or even collusion or conspiracy in regards to the POTUS.

And so, in the end, the conclusion might be that Trump and family were only fractionally wrong, that they, along with everyone, were mostly duped. And/or that because they were new to the political process, they were not aware that they were doing anything wrong. (I know ignorance is no excuse, but optically it plays in their favor)

Sorry, but after W was re-elected, after so many D seats have been drained away across the country, after an orange idiot was elected President, I'm not taking anything for granted and, while hoping for the best, (Trump led away in cuffs), I am steeling myself for disappointment once again. (That most everything will be blamed on Putin, and the Trump family will be portrayed as stooges at most, and the GOP at large will not even be mentioned.)

But of course I'm always holding out hope that this could end up being an historical take-down of the whole GOP party establishment.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:26 PM

2. no wonder Manafort was worried about his family

every one of them is extortion waiting to happen
i'd be worried too

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Response to 0rganism (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:47 PM

13. damn straight. If he's got the goods on oligarchs close to Putin, that makes him a dangerous man.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:27 PM

3. I wouldn't consider this a win unless there were consequences for Trump,

and maybe a remedy or two for the damage he has done to our country serving as a false president.

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Response to Baitball Blogger (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:38 PM

12. One way to look at this is that Mueller is going after Putin and it's all Trump's fault because

he fired Comey.
Mueller gets closer and Vlad will not be happy with his puppet Donnie.
Who knows what he'll do?
We might see that pee tape yet.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:28 PM

4. Sounds very good. If so, wouldn't we be acting in concert

with other governments Russia's been conducting covert war against? Indictments, arrests for leaving Russia, and wealth seizures by many of the nations that Russia's big criminals like to live and launder their booty in would hurt them very badly, perhaps even topple Putin. We can't expect them to not strike back, though.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:30 PM

8. this is us striking back.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:32 PM

9. And not preparing to strike in force with others?

They'd just shift their wealth to other nations? Hope not, but okay for now. For sure Manafort's cooperation can't be good news for them. I've read they've been nervous all along that Putin overreached.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:30 PM

6. Makes Trump's secret meetings with Putin look like...collusion.

We are at war. Russia has been identified as the source of the mysterious attack on the American diplomats in Cuba. Thatís an act of war. So siding with Putin is giving aid and comfort to an enemy, which is impeachable treason.

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Response to Qutzupalotl (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:15 PM

29. Wow....

Itís crazy to think that we went from the calm professionalism and intelligence and scandal-free integrity of Obama to... this, all in one fell swoop.

Itís also crazy, IMHO, to think that Putin was capable of all this but stopped short of actually interfering with the vote count in exactly the states and with just enough of a margin of victory yo throw the election to Trump.

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Response to renate (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:27 PM

38. I hear ya.

So far the public has not seen evidence that the vote count was directly tampered with. Because of our precinct-level records, it might be difficult to do, though perhaps not impossible.

I think Putin does things as cheaply and efficiently as he can; cyberwar instead of ground war. If he can achieve the same result simply by altering voter registrations from people likely to vote D, and thoroughly depress them via social media right before election day, that could be enough. Just based on public reporting, that seems to be how they did it.

So Iím not ready to say the fix is in for this November, although Russia is doing what it can. My tentative confidence is based on the fact that the Republicans are panicking and consider the House already lost.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:30 PM

7. FUCK YEAH, POOKA

I totally concur with every word you posted here

And for the sake of this young Russian protester, I say



FUCK YEAH, MR. MUELLER & CO

Hang tough - weíre coming for you, son

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:37 PM

11. He might also be going after the entire Retrumplican Party leadership as well

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #11)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:49 PM

14. The NRA got caught with their hand in the Russian money jar. If they were dipping there, who knows

how many Republican politicians have taken their laundered money too?
I'll bet Mueller is finding out though...

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:31 PM

21. They all did.

It's just a matter of proving whether they knew it or not.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:02 PM

15. What can he or anyone do to Putin?

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Response to Patterson (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:08 PM

16. Nothing beyond sanctions. None of the 12 Russians will ever face consequences.

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Response to Patterson (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:10 PM

18. One thing is that it prevents Trump from lifting the sanctions

That keeps Putin's finances from becoming available to him and his oligarchs. That weakens Putin's position with his oligarchs and ushers in a season where Putin could be toppled.

His wealth comes from the oligarchs, in part. But he's also amassed so much money that being one of the wealthiest, if not being the wealthiest man in the world, he can protect them and his personal power.

The sanctions and freezing of Russian money in foreign banks is very important key to weakening their control. It keeps them from being able to finance future disruption of western government which is one of Putin's goals.

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Response to eleny (Reply #18)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:34 PM

22. Good point. Fingers crossed.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:09 PM

17. K&R

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:20 PM

19. Mueller can't touch Putin.

That's a fact, son.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:43 PM

24. It would make it harder for Putin to travel outside of Russia

If he had a legitimate indictment hanging over his head.

It also justifies keeping the Magnistky Act in place, if not strengthening it.

No, it's not being thrown into solitary at a supermax facility, but it is something.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:33 PM

32. Cheeto invited Pootie to come here for a visit, but you know he never will

Mueller would be waiting at the airport to clap him in irons, if he ever lands on American soil.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:21 PM

20. "Nobody's been harder on Russia than me".

Trump's lame defense preparation, knowing this would finally surface.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:38 PM

23. I doubt this case

will head toward foreign international oligarchs who are too powerful to prosecute and too protected to stand trial. Why should they? Conspiracy at home and collusion with a foreign country will be enough to right our ship of state. Relative to the international aspects of this, if any and they remain to be proven, we need a unified strong executive branch to serve our interests before tackling foreign meddlers.

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Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:21 PM

30. Many of them have assets here in the US that can be confiscated.

That can hurt them.
They think their assets are safe here.
Shell companies, real estate, bank accounts.
Mueller can turn this into a money making opportunity like confiscating drug cartels profits.
if enough rich Russians lose enough money then Vlad is in trouble.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:51 PM

25. I support that war!

Get the Russians and the GOP traitors OUT of
our government and election system!!!!

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:58 PM

26. Proving Putin and olicharchs tamper with the election has already been done, and they can't be...

touched by our courts so IMO nobody cares about them as to their culpability.

They are not the target.

Who is whatever American connected to trump or the trump campaign helped them target our election and social media systems.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:00 PM

27. Mueller is exposing and protecting

this country from a coup....

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:06 PM

28. I hope we can all agree that Mueller and his team have our support.

Their lives are in danger if they seriously get into the Russian mob and threaten Putin. I hope he has SS protection. I admire him so much...particularly for his dogged persistence in our name.

And, no. I do not want to see Trump off easy on this. He has lied so much and obviously done so much for his own selfish benefit that we deserve a frog march and the confiscation of all assets connected to his crimes. Same goes for the family. That would finally MAGA.

Onward and upward.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:30 PM

31. Well said.

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Response to Raven123 (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:07 PM

37. thank you

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:34 PM

33. Cohen IS talking to Mueller now too!

The moron is going to have a relaxing weekend on the golf course....NOT!

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:44 PM

34. I do so love DU Fridays!

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:48 PM

35. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread TeamPooka.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:31 PM

39. No, He can't prosecute Putin

He is after people he can prosecute.

However, he is almost certainly working hand in glove with Ongoing Covert Ops against ongoing criminal activity. But we wouldnít and shouldnít have any knowledge at all about that arm. It would be completely compartmentalized.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #39)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:52 AM

40. If he was just after people he could prosecute he would not have indicted the 13 Russian hackers

that he can't reach in Russia.
he is after the truth.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #40)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:13 AM

42. That's to build the case for election interference from the ground up

To prosecute the Americans involved. Thereís nothing he can do to Putin. Ops on the other hand can at least try to disrupt his schemes.

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Response to Skraxx (Reply #42)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:08 PM

43. Going after Putin is also going after Trump for the same exact reason you outlined about the 13 hac

kers
That's to build the case for election interference from the ground up
To prosecute the Americans involved.
I never said he would be able to prosecute Putin.
But that's not going to stop him from proving Putin did it.

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Response to TeamPooka (Reply #43)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:31 PM

44. Ok I got Ya, I guess it depends on how you define 'going after'

I agree heís looking to expose the direct ties. But I also do believe there operations as well that are really going after Putin, trying to discover and disrupt his schemes. They would necessarily be separate from but working closely with Mueller.

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Response to TeamPooka (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:58 AM

41. I think you're spot-on; Manafort's value to Mueller goes far beyond the Trump presidency

Manafort spent decades entrenched in Russian politics. He knows the players and the networks. His knowledge is invaluable to the CIA and the FBI. The Russians have infiltrated our system from top to bottom, from the federal to the state to the local level. The best way to root them all out is for an insider to name names.

Manafort will earn a reduced sentence, not by outting Trump, but by putting the squeeze on his old Russian buddies.

His family truly needs witness protection.

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