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Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:33 PM

Trump is FUCKED

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When Manafort was caught tampering with witnesses, along with the evidence revealed in the indictments, as well as the indictments of the others who’ve already pled guilty, I knew that Manafort Was Fucked.

Then again, during the Trial when Manafort's defense was focused solely on discrediting Gates, but the documents, with revision history intact, said otherwise, I could affirm how truly fucked Manafort was.

Now, given the others who’ve recently given grand jury testimony and who are cooperating, and given that Manafort is *fully* cooperating, I can conclusively say, Trump is FUCKED.

Who above Manafort would they need? From the evidence already revealed and from Popadopolous’s public statements, it’s safe to say Sessions is fucked without Manafort’s cooperation. The same is likely true for Trump Jr and anyone else who was in the Trump Tower meeting.

Manafort is the money guy. Recently it was discovered that the FBI was investigating suspicious transactions immediately following the Trump Tower meeting. We must also not forget the special private network connection setup between the Trump Organization and the Russian Alpha Bank during the campaign. Manafort can answer all the unanswered questions surrounding these transfers of money and private network connections to Russian banks. And ultimately, as Trump inadvertently admitted, Manafort can implicate Trump in all of it, to the very level of Trump committing Treason.

Dems will take the House back. That means when all this comes out, Trump *will* face impeachment. The only question remains is are there enough GOP Senators who will vote to convict. I suspect that the evidence will be damning enough and Mueller’s report will be convincing to the point that it would be political suicide for those Senators not to convict.

Trump. Is. Fucked.

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berni_mccoy Sep 14 OP
asiliveandbreathe Sep 14 #1
PearliePoo2 Sep 14 #2
ginnyinWI Sep 14 #29
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #40
Hekate Sep 14 #76
brush Sep 15 #96
HipChick Sep 14 #3
Grammy23 Sep 14 #6
HipChick Sep 14 #9
Moostache Sep 14 #12
Grammy23 Sep 14 #23
Scarsdale Sep 14 #34
ginnyinWI Sep 14 #30
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #41
Pacifist Patriot Sep 14 #64
Hekate Sep 14 #77
Pacifist Patriot Sep 14 #88
Grasswire2 Sep 15 #91
Scurrilous Sep 14 #4
Mr. Ected Sep 14 #5
Moostache Sep 14 #13
InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 14 #57
radical noodle Sep 15 #98
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #42
olegramps Sep 14 #47
lagomorph777 Sep 14 #49
Hortensis Sep 14 #7
berni_mccoy Sep 14 #8
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Hortensis Sep 14 #75
Hekate Sep 14 #79
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lagomorph777 Sep 14 #43
Laura PourMeADrink Sep 14 #66
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Fla Dem Sep 14 #55
Hekate Sep 14 #82
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Hortensis Sep 15 #97
Voltaire2 Sep 15 #99
GetRidOfThem Sep 15 #93
Mrs. Overall Sep 14 #10
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berni_mccoy Sep 14 #15
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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:37 PM

1. Reads better than an episode of Law and Order...based on a true story, and the

names have NOT been changed...they are ALL effin' guilty...

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:40 PM

2. BLOTUS is fucked. Damn, this gives me goosebumps!


We need a champagne smilie! Seriously, how can we get one?

K&R

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:49 PM

29. well there is this one:

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:17 PM

40. Or this one:

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #40)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:40 PM

76. Also this...

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #2)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:36 AM

96. How about a champagne similie?

Manafort's cooperation is shaking up the trump campaign ilike a New Year's eve reveller shaking up a bottle of champagne—they both eventually pop and spew.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:42 PM

3. Trump will resign...citing it's all the Dems fault..

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Response to HipChick (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:47 PM

6. It is just a question of when will he throw in the towel.

I hope the leakers at the White House spill the beans on the chaos going on at the White House right now as they scramble to come up with explanations/excuses. This is too delicious to have to wait for another book to come out. We wanna know now if tRump has pooped his pants yet.

Or if his head exploded all over the Resolute Desk.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:55 PM

9. There will be leaks this evening...

even not poopey pants doing the leaking..

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:12 PM

12. Far more likely?

Trump is taking the poop from his pants and smearing it all over the Resolute desk...or flinging it at the walls and doors and anyone who enters the Oval Office.

Once he is removed, the clean-up of the Oval Office is going to be a major renovation project for sure...

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Response to Moostache (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:39 PM

23. Now you've given me an image


That will haunt my dreams. Or produce nightmares. Gee, thanks.



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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #23)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:58 PM

34. IF he does resign

and seeing how much he LOVES to see himself on TV and in all the newspapers it is iffy, will he STILL be charged with any crimes? He should be, certainly, but WILL he be? Still can not save the "kids" from their misdeeds.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #6)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:50 PM

30. I suspect he will amp up the lying on Twitter.

He'll go faster and faster until he explodes.

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Response to ginnyinWI (Reply #30)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:20 PM

41. Spinning in circles

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Response to HipChick (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:15 PM

64. I wish I could see that. I just don't think he's capable of admitting defeat.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #64)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:43 PM

77. He could just declare bankruptcy and walk away leaving others holding the bag. He's done that...

...a lot.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #77)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:03 PM

88. You make an excellent point.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #64)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:06 AM

91. Many on MSNBC think he's particularly dangerous now.

Frank Figluzzi (sp)

Jeremy Bash

etc.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:43 PM

4. K&R

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:45 PM

5. As long as 33% of the country is willing to overlook TREASON by any Republican

Our country will remain FUCKED.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:13 PM

13. It is going to take YEARS to unwind the damage

But the longer he stays in office, the more damage he inflicts, so best to rip off the band-aid and get started ASAP!

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Response to Moostache (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:00 PM

57. More like decades.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #13)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:54 AM

98. Well, Pence sure isn't going to repair the damage

He understands the process of governing and can easily make things worse.

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Response to Mr. Ected (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:21 PM

42. 33% is not a majority, despite what the media want you to think.

As long as only 33% are full of shit, we can survive.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #42)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:35 PM

47. Doesn't depend on the Independents?

I know that the Republican vote is solid and unwavering at this point and doubt that anything could change it short of child molestation. The Democrats are far less solid in their support, so it can be really dependent on the Independents. I am hoping that the Dems will show up. They sure haven't in most non-presidential off year elections.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #47)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:37 PM

49. Independent support is at 31% - Trump has already lost them.

And Dems will show up. We are effing pissed, as every recent poll shows.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:49 PM

7. Deep breath, knock wood. But AG Sessions? How about VP Pence?

The WaPo's article just now doesn't mention Pence, but Manafort was heavily involved in helping Trump accept him as VP. I don't believe for a minute that Manafort chose him; was anyone else involved outside family/campaign staff? Koch agents?

In any case, Pence was there during the Trump-Manafort-Kremlin mess. Will Manafort's testimony support Pence's plausible deniability for everything and anything?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:54 PM

8. Mueller's best weapon: Silence.

Flynn’s cooperation will take down Pence. Pence was picked by Manafort yes, but why? So Pence could coordinate the other half of the deal with Russia through Flynn. Flynn was caught lying to investigators. Lying about communications with Russia about dropping sanctions. Orchestrated by Pence who was in charge of the Transition team.

There’s a reason why Flynn’s sentencing has been delayed. And we have heard absolutely nothing about this part of the investigation. The shit is about to hit the fan.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:00 PM

11. Hmmm..

I sure hope you are right about that. Sounds very possible. People are forgetting about Flynn.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:02 PM

58. Yep!

Mueller has been playing this like a pro. He is a pro!
Also I think he's getting under-the-table cooperation from Sessions.

When this is all over, I only want one thing: I want to see the full, un-redacted Steele dossier.
Is that too much to ask?



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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:31 PM

75. Pence is that most useful of people to the new billionaire class,

a member of the Christian right and a far-right authoritarian conservative whose ideology combines service to god through the monied classes. The latter didn't choose Trump, but if he became president he would almost certainly be succeeded by his vice president.

Pence already had a solid relationship with the Kochs, who already were considering running him for president one of these times.

We've always wondered WHY a governor whose reelection was endangered but far from lost would become Trump's VP when, on the face of it, it promised to leave him humiliated and unemployed, and his reputation destroyed in Trump's dumpster fires.

I think Pence met with people and agreed to run, but what he was promised by whom...?

Except that a how-level hired man, way below Pence's stature btw, didn't choose Trump's VP and make him an offer more attractive than being reelected as Indiana's governor. I break down at that idea. What would Pence do 4 months later after they lost?

Putin making him an offer he too attractive to refuse seems very unlikely also. Pence had people who control half the wealth in America behind him in the Koch alliance. Why commit what is commonly called treason when undoubtedly at least one of his meetings to discuss his future was with his own American patrons?

This is mostly speculation, of course, but great wealth means great power. The Koch alliance had to decide whether to invest in electing Trump, and It seems very likely that their own information sources had discovered early on that Putin was interfering to cause as much trouble as possible for the Democrats who posed a grave threat to his personal and hegemonic plans. Was there any coordination of interests, perhaps through very careful cutouts?

And that's where I leave off speculating. Except to point out that Hillary was right long before about a giant right wing conspiracy. Scalia spoke at Koch etcetera events openly now and then, but it seems very plausible that conspiracy was behind many of those trips Scalia took to secret gatherings like the one he died at also.

Oh, forgot to toss in: Once Trump's initial cabinet was installed, a "designated survivor" event would have very likely left a Koch ally as the survivor, that's how many cabinet members had significant associations with them. #2 Ryan, #3 Hatch, #4 Tillerson, others, and of course #1.


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Response to Hortensis (Reply #75)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:51 PM

79. Fascinating line of thinking, Hortensis. I SO want Pence gone, though.

I just figure Mueller keeps pulling threads, and at least one is going to be tied to Pence's sweater.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #79)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:54 PM

81. Perfectly stated. The question, of course, is how badly

might his chances unravel?

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #81)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:59 PM

83. Very badly, I hope. Mueller follows the money trail, and where there are Kochs there is money.nt

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Response to Hekate (Reply #83)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:03 PM

84. Hadn't thought of that, but of course.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:22 PM

43. Manaflip can nail Keebler and Mike Penis, bigly

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #43)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:30 PM

66. Love Manaflip! Who's keebler?

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #66)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:42 PM

68. Keebler

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #68)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:34 PM

71. Duh

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:50 PM

55. I couldn't be happier to see Trump in an orange jump suit, but yes Pence. He's next in the line-up

Is he any better than Trump? Maybe just a little more rational, but more of a RW ideologue. 2 more years of Pence would it be any better? But let's say Pence knows they've got dirt on him too so he refuses to step up to the Presidency and in fact resigns. Next up is Paulie Ryan, Speaker of the House. I really don't see anything improving until 2021, even if we take the House in November..

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #55)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:57 PM

82. Well, if my dreams come true and we take back the House, Paul Ryan is nowhere...

...literally and figuratively, given that he is retiring to count his money.

I don't know who's next up to be GOP Speaker, but it won't matter if we have a Democratic Speaker of the House.

The timeline is all -- no matter how the election turns out, the GOP rules the House until January.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #82)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:12 PM

86. Yes, there is the Dems taking back the House to consider. nt

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #86)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 09:36 AM

97. Yup. And polls say control of the senate is in play!

The Republicans have to keep control of the senate to continue stacking the courts.

But of course this is much bigger than just who's in national office now, including Trump.

A huge goal behind the "Article V" constitutional convention movement, being systematically developed by ALEC and other right wing groups, is, of course, to repeal direct election of senators. They would once again be appointed by mostly business-dominated power groups at the state level, a huge shift of power to the few.

It's unclear that any one group would be able to control what came out of such a convention, though. Right-wing billionaires, religious right groups, and white nationalists/social conservatives all intend to prevail. SCOTUS does not have the power, of course, to rule any outcomes of a constitutional convention unconstitutional, no matter how extreme or bizarre. It would be the new constitution.

They claim to have 28 of the 34 states needed to call the convention. On the plus side, just this summer North Carolina rejected joining this "convention of states." They'll try again in 2019.

As said, this threat is from over for the next few decades. Unless it turns out in retrospect that we are leaving the conservative era that began in the late 1970s and entering a new liberal one.

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Response to Fla Dem (Reply #55)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:55 AM

99. It doesn't matter.

The disaster of a Trump removal will knock the Republican Party down at least for an election or two.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #7)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 06:48 AM

93. I read somewhere that Pence

was Melania's choice...

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:55 PM

10. Yes, and like Florence, it's "big and tremendously wet"

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Response to Mrs. Overall (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:23 PM

44. Big and remendously wet, like the load in the Presidential Pants.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:19 PM

14. I believe we will take the Senate, too. nt

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:22 PM

15. Even if that happens, we won't take 2/3rds of it....

and we need 2/3rds of the Senate to convict.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:25 PM

16. We would get 2/3 of

the 2019 Senate.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #16)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:36 PM

20. Are you saying 2/3 will convict or

we will win 2/3 of the senate this election (which I don't believe is possible).

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #20)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:40 PM

24. To convict.

With the pace of information being released, along with Mr. Mueller's report being issued, there will be more than 2/3 who would convict. However, as that approaches, Trump will resign -- to spend more time with Ivanka -- as he is a cowardly pup. His past record in court cases follow a similar path: he makes a lot of threatening noise, then backs down with his tail between his legs. Indeed, there is nothing else between his legs.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #24)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:44 PM

27. Thoughts that what you meant... and yes, I agree.

I believe the evidence and the case are so damning that we'll get enough GOP to convict... still, I have been surprised by the complacency of some Senators, especially Graham.

Keep in mind, if impeachment comes, we'll lose some of the Senators who would likely convict (Flake, Corker).

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #27)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:53 PM

31. I've never liked Graham.

However, I believe that in this instance, he has been tasked with trying to stabilize the unstable Trump, by saying supportive things about him publicly. This allows him to exercise more influence -- at least in theory -- in a dangerous time for democracy. I believed that to be true even before Woodward's book came out; the book provides information that helps build a foundation for that belief. I'm not expressing agreement with what he is attempting, but I understand why he has suddenly started kissing Trump's fat ass.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:24 PM

45. I think Graham has been Kompromised.

#NRAROUBLES

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:39 PM

50. Graham is a two-bit little kiss ass twit. Some gal should slap him into yesterday.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #50)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:53 PM

73. Some gal should slap him into yesterday.



I know I shouldn't laugh at that. I do not approve of violence.

But still.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:41 PM

51. They didn't have 2/3 when Nixon faced impeachment

Let's say that Democrats pull off a miracle and win 51 seats in the Senate, in addition to taking the House by at least 10 or more seats.

They hold hearings and morons like Don Jr, Eric Trump, Jared, etc melt under the pressure of testimony and either make major gaffes and/or stab each other in the back.

Public support for Trump drops further - independents unite against him and even some GOP support peels away. A few GOP members of Congress are more openly critical of Donny Dollhands as well.

Mueller then delivers his first report to Congress detailing multiple charges of Obstruction of Justice and Witness Tampering against Trump and also Perjury and Conspiracy against several below him.

Impeachment hearings commence and more information comes to light causing more Republicans to turn against Trump.

Trump tries pardoning himself of any and all crimes, but Mueller (or somebody in Congress) sues to block and Trump loses SCOTUS decision and he cannot pardon himself. Support plummets for Trump...

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #51)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:07 PM

60. If 2/3rds is close, some republicons might jump

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:27 PM

17. .... let us pray.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:30 PM

18. Need to remove both DT and Pence and make sure to take both the House and Senate.

The scenario that might work the best after this is for Pelosi to resign as Speaker with Adam Schiff becoming Speaker and next in line of succession following Pence's removal too. Then Pelosi reinstalled as Speaker. But I don't know how Nancy P would feel about whether she be Prez.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:34 PM

19. I hope so much so that the insects who voted for him,

Crawl back under their rocks for 50 years so we can get some real work done and bring this damn nation ( and the world that follows our lead) FINALLY into the 21st century.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:36 PM

21. I love your post, but

to blindly believe that they Democrats will push for impeachment is not historically based. How else is the phrase "keep our powder dry" in our lexicon?

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:41 PM

25. I understand that sentiment. However, look at how damning the evidence has been.

Manafort is pleading to some huge crimes and giving the highest level of cooperation. Imagine what crimes are worse than that that they need his cooperation for. Now imagine what kind of report that would look like going to Congress. If the Dems have control, there is no way they will not impeach.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:39 PM

22. Shitler, here's where you get off asshole!


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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:44 PM

26. I hope so..nt

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:48 PM

28. Judgeships nominated by an illegitimate president should become null and open again.


It may require legislation from Democratic control of both chambers and the Presidency.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #28)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:56 PM

32. This x10,000x

All actions since the illegitimacy began deserve a thorough review, especially if the Insane Congress proves to be tainted with illegitimacy too. A regular Congress could review, revote, confirm or deny. But something should be done to heal the wounds of illegitimacy.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:58 PM

33. GOPee Senators will kill before allowing Cheeto's removal to go forward - not matter WHAT emerges

But if Democrats regain control of both (even just one) house, the Cheeto regime will simply become untenable.

At that point, I wouldn't put it past some Republican to poison Cheeto - in hopes that a Pence regime will "appear" more presidential and legitimate (with Big Media'a cooperation, of course).

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:01 PM

35. Please make it a quickie

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:03 PM

36. Trumpfuck

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:06 PM

37. Yes he is...And their wretched party is also

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:15 PM

38. "The only question remains is are there enough GOP Senators who will vote to convict"

and that is the million dollar question but not for obvious reasons.

I believe many are tied up in this fucked up mess as well.

if they are, will they even be allowed to vote?

this will be interesting.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:17 PM

39. Well and truly.

Pres. Turd bigly has a sad today.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:25 PM

46. And try Putin in absentia while they're at it

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:37 PM

48. I wonder

With this plea and cooperation in the bag, I wonder if the time is now right for subpoenas for Sessions, Don Jr., Eric, Ivanka, and Jared? After all, who's left?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:44 PM

52. Republicons no longer care. They got everything they wanted from

Trump already. 2 SC picks, Two massive tax breaks, deregulation of coal, etc. This PINO replaced the republicon party which should now be called Trumplicons ...a cult of sociopaths. The damage done proves elections have consequences which are hard to correct

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:44 PM

53. My guess is that the Repubs will vote to impeach so that they can install Pence

Based on where we are now, Trump will likely lose if he runs in 2020.

I think that Pence could potentially win, and if he takes over after these midterms, he'd be able to serve until 2028.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:49 PM

54. I've had the same thought too, but not Pence... Ryan.

Repubs will want to have a Repub president so if they see impeachment is imminent, they would get Ryan in there now vs. a Democratic Speaker of the House after the new Congress is seated.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #54)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:52 PM

80. I don't know if there is enough time to get Ryan in

He's retiring at the end of the year.

I doubt both Trump and Pence could be removed by then, even if impeachment started full-steam tomorrow.

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Response to Dopers_Greed (Reply #53)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:10 PM

61. Pence cannot win if he runs in 2020.

He failed miserably as a Governor in Indiana and would not have won a second term.
Many of Pences programs were canceled out after he took the VP job and the new IN governor took over.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:50 PM

56. Can't asshole sign a wine list and be rid of all this annoying shit?

He's never had to face up to his corrupt shit his entire worthless life. Maybe now? It'd be so good....

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:07 PM

59. This is exciting!!!!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:14 PM

62. Not if Manafort is going to cooperate regarding his money fraud.

Manafort may have some things to give up about financial fraud, but #1...that may have nothing to do with Russian conspiracy, and #2...that may have nothing to do with obstruction of justice.

Manafort may not have anything to give up regarding Trump at all. Manafort & Trump don't seem to have known each other well before Manafort joined the campaign.

So I wouldn't get excited about this as it relates to Trump. We'll just have to see.

Pride cometh before the....you know.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:14 PM

63. Can't happen soon enough to suit me. (nt)

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:29 PM

65. Great post! What do you mean..."Sessions is

fucked without manafort's cooperation?"

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #65)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:25 PM

69. Sessions perjured himself to the Senate

And Popadopolis's public statements have implicated Sessions was aggressively in favor of pursuing the information held by the Russians. If that's true and that information has already been corroborated by Mueller's team, then they are only keeping Sessions in office because they need him to protect the investigation. In fact, Session may already be cooperating with them as a witness which explains the urgency in the Trump admin to get rid of him. If that's the case, as others have noted above, Graham may be publicly stroking Trump's ego while he works behind the scenes to support Sessions.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Reply #69)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:34 PM

70. Thanks Berni! You know there's too much dirt

When you can't remember it all! Everything you wrote makes total sense...but how does manafort fit in related to sessions?

Bottom line sessions is not innocent. He is either cooperating with Mueller or someone somehow will entangle him.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #70)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:59 PM

74. I only mentioned Sessions because taking him down doesn't require Manafort...

So that means Manafort's cooperation if for bigger fish... and I can only think of two bigger fish...

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:34 PM

67. 👍

👍

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:49 PM

72. Through difficult GOVT efforts, if we take back congress, tRump is fucked.

That's the only way this happens globally. Mueller's investigation will have twice the merit when dems retake the People's Chambers and have representation again.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 05:50 PM

78. Indeed, Trump is Fucked.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 06:28 PM

87. I love the Title of your post

I just don't think any GOP Congress critter or Senator will EVER vote to Impeach. I don't care how damning the evidence. If they have gone this far they have no morals. The rule of law isn't as important as the ability to impose their will on the judiciary and the tax codes and our way of life.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 07:12 PM

89. I agree with all of your points except the last

The GOP is in a state of reality denial and expect that it will continue. They will not vote to impeach and Trump will remain. The nightmare will continue and a wounded crazy lion is worse than just a crazy lion.

I don't how this nightmare will really end. At least if we can retake the house we will gain some check on this power. We MUST retake the house. It is drop dead serious!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 10:17 PM

90. I'm a skeptic - I'll believe it when DFT is dressed in orange

That treasonous toddler needs to be shown to his "base" for what he is. That sumbich should go to prison for a long time.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 03:26 AM

92. he may not get the f--king that you might think

Look at how they are slithering around the Kavinaugh the Rapist. they are goose stepping along with Trump at every turn, so they may not vote to convict if there is an impeachment trial. that is a high threshold to get 12-17 Republicans to turn.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:10 AM

94. Waiting for many more

To turn on him , like Malanie, and 2 or more of his kids , and ghouliani. Its just a matter of time . Everyone hates him.

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 08:16 AM

95. WHAT THE FUCK IS IN HIS TAXES???

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Response to pansypoo53219 (Reply #95)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 02:06 PM

103. For openers, probably write offs for loans owed to Russians

plus, if I had to guess, failure to declare income on a lot of the money laundering he was doing with the Russians. I am sure Mueller has all this info and is busy checking it.

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Response to Jersey Devil (Reply #103)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 04:38 PM

104. deep debt to russia. he knew he had to hide. MOB SHIT TOO!

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:09 PM

100. They shouldn't impeach him

they should annul his presidency. That way we should be able to unwind Garbage... errrr Gorsuch from the Supreme Court (and Kavanagh assuming the GOP pushes him through).

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:24 PM

101. Dont get me wrong, this thrills me but I have a question.

Since Mueller wont indict and neither will the house unless we take it back

How is he fucked?

If we take the House but not 66 seats in the Senate, how is he fucked?

Serious question, I am as mad as anybody, more so maybe, but for him to be fucked the GOP have to be patriots, to some extent.

Right? Wrong? Help me celebrate with you. Explain how?

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 01:49 PM

102. Kickin' with

UNBRIDLED GLEE

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Response to berni_mccoy (Original post)

Sun Sep 16, 2018, 08:19 PM

105. Until Trump is fucked, he is not fucked.

Those who gloat and dance last gloat and dance best.
Remember Fitzmas.

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