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Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:31 AM

CNN reporter in New Bern NC showing responders setting up for water rescues.


This was a mandatory evacuation area. Yet, hundreds of people ignored the warnings and stayed.

Now these dumb asses are on their fucking roofs begging and crying for help.

The brave emergency responders have rescued hundreds already but there are at least another 150 more to try and get.

The woman CNN reporter looked in the camera and said, "When you are told to evacuate, DO IT!"

These people are putting other lives at risk because of their own stupidity. Man, they piss me off.







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Reply CNN reporter in New Bern NC showing responders setting up for water rescues. (Original post)
PearliePoo2 Sep 14 OP
jberryhill Sep 14 #1
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #13
jberryhill Sep 14 #15
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #17
jberryhill Sep 14 #26
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #31
jberryhill Sep 14 #32
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #36
octoberlib Sep 14 #29
NutmegYankee Sep 14 #35
NickB79 Sep 14 #38
justhanginon Sep 14 #2
Pacifist Patriot Sep 14 #5
Pacifist Patriot Sep 14 #3
obamanut2012 Sep 14 #6
PearliePoo2 Sep 14 #9
unc70 Sep 14 #18
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #14
Tribalceltic Sep 14 #19
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #21
Saboburns Sep 14 #28
octoberlib Sep 14 #33
Tribalceltic Sep 14 #34
backtoblue Sep 14 #20
nycbos Sep 14 #4
Pacifist Patriot Sep 14 #7
backtoblue Sep 14 #22
nolabear Sep 14 #24
obamanut2012 Sep 14 #30
TheBlackAdder Sep 14 #8
Pacifist Patriot Sep 14 #10
maryellen99 Sep 14 #12
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #23
TheBlackAdder Sep 14 #16
mnhtnbb Sep 14 #11
thucythucy Sep 14 #25
Lee-Lee Sep 14 #37
thucythucy Sep 14 #39
Baclava Sep 14 #27
Jersey Devil Sep 14 #40

Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:39 AM

1. Check out these people

If non-evacuees piss you off, you'll LOVE these ones:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/sep/14/myrtle-beach-poorest-evacuating-costly-hurricane-florence

There was only one building at the Sandygate Village boarded up with plywood as the first gusts from Hurricane Florence punched through this 104-unit housing complex: the landlordís office.

For many in this low income housing community in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, about a mile from the coast and a few hundred feet from the Waccamaw River, the image spoke volumes.

ďThey boarded up and now theyíre gone,Ē said 57-year-old resident Henry Mitchell. ďI thought they were supposed to do it for us too. Itís crazy.Ē

Mitchell, who is disabled and unemployed, was among the many residents here who did not evacuate due to financial concerns. ďItís too expensive to move out to a hotel, I could be out for days and I canít afford to leave my home behind,Ē he said.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #1)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:14 AM

13. There are LOTs of shelters open inland for people who can't afford a hotel

 

And they have been using school buses to move anyone who didnít have a car or a ride so they could get to them.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:15 AM

15. These people appear not to have known that

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:19 AM

17. Well, the information was out there all over

 

Even if they didnít end up with it spoon fed to them they literally didnít have to do anything more than call the local PD or emergency management office or Red Cross office and ask.

Itís literally been all over TV, radio, the papers and everywhere else it could be said or printed how to get help evacuating if itís needed.

At some point people have to do a minimum amount to seek the help.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #17)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 12:26 PM

26. Just out of curiosity, on a totally unrelated tangent


If one is a convicted sex offender and cannot, say, reside within a certain distance of a school, then how does such a person go to a hurricane shelter?

(same question for outstanding warrants or undocumented immigration status)

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #26)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:25 PM

31. I am only aware of a very few limited cases where they check that, but there is a solution

 

In those cases they will, in fact, let the sex offenders stay in the jail. Not incarcerated just using it for shelter. Also they steer to shelters that are not in schools such as an existing homeless shelters.

Iím not aware of any shelter that checks immigration status. Thatís a non-issue.

If you have an outstanding warrant then they will be happy to house you safe and sound in the jail. Your going to end up there anyway, so may as well surrender. Otherwise you are making a choice to choose remaining a fugitive from justice over being safe- and being a fugitive is a stupid choice regardless, but more so in this case. So worst case you gamble and go to the shelter and hope they donít check and if they do you still end up safe and you get to deal with your warrant that you would have to eventually anyway.

And yes, when I was a deputy they ran shelters in my county for coastal residents. In NC. We never checked for warrants or sex offender status or anything else unless we got a call for a fight or disturbance you were involved in at the shelter.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #31)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:27 PM

32. "We never checked for warrants or sex offender status"


Oh, okay, so if I have kids, then my choice is to remain at home or move my children in with every child molester in the county?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #32)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:51 PM

36. Well, if you want to be paranoid your choice

 

We did keep officers at every shelter, so of all places not a likely one for them to try anything.

But if people want to be irrational in fears then thatís a choice they can make.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #13)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:20 PM

29. Garrett Haake just said on MSNBC that the number one reason people gave for not

evacuating was because they didn't think it would be that bad. WHAT!? I live in Charlotte. The Governor, the weathermen, the newspapers, literally everyone has been saying how catastrophic the flooding was going to be and not to pay attention to the lower hurricane category. Did they think it was just fake news?

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #29)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:20 PM

35. There is widespread belief that weather news is sensationalized.

Sometimes people found out it wasnít the hard way.

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Response to NutmegYankee (Reply #35)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 04:30 PM

38. Gee, who could have stoked THAT belief?

Fake news, y'all.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:42 AM

2. I was thinking the very same thing as I watched. These men and women

have families of their own and should not have to put their lives at risk to undertake perilous rescues because ignorant people ignore evacuation warnings. Realizing that some people have valid reasons for not leaving, too many are just stubborn or gamblers with other peoples lives.

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Response to justhanginon (Reply #2)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:47 AM

5. Too many don't have the resources or physical ability to evacuate.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:46 AM

3. I'd urge some thoughtful consideration here.

Please keep in mind that evacuation is another example of economic luxury in our country. It is expensive and can be physically challenging. I know, I've done it at least half a dozen times in my adult life.

The impoverished, elderly, infirm, etc. may not have much of a choice in the matter. Yes, those who can evacuate and don't are stupid and dangerous. Those who can't evacuate illuminate serious flaws in our society. Please do not assume all those left behind are staying willfully. Many are indeed left behind.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:47 AM

6. This -- New Bern isn't a bunch of rich people

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:05 AM

9. The flooded homes appeared to be in a sub-division on a cul d sac.


What I could see were nice two story houses with attached garages.

I do understand your point of evacuating being a tremendous hardship for some. And yes, our society has flaws for sure, but there are also so many good people that will do anything to help others.

I'm still haunted by an interview I saw yesterday on , I think, Myrtle Beach. There was a man who told the reporter that he didn't have a car, no driver's license and the shelter would not accept him because he had a dog. He said "I can NOT leave her behind so I'm going to stay.

On the reporter's twitter feed, people jumped in and said, "We will find a shelter that accepts pets for him". Please contact this man again and have him get in touch with us."

The reporter did track down the man and told him many people would like to help him. The man said he had made up his mind to stay and "ride it out" and besides, he had been through Hurricane Hugo and survived. The problem is that this hurricane's storm surge is way worse than what Hugo had.

The guy and his dog are likely dead today. It literally makes my heart ache.




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Response to PearliePoo2 (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:19 AM

18. That is the only area that allowed the reporter

Relatively low damage there, relatively safe. The storm surge in New Bern was 10-11 feet. This is many miles from the ocean. Damage is much worse in other areas. This is just where the reporters can get to.

This is not the time to blame the victims when you have little understanding of what is really happening. This

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:15 AM

14. There are free shelters inland and they I've been running school buses to move people

 

Anyone who wanted to leave had the opportunity made to them with a no-cost ride, shelter and food in the shelter.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:25 AM

19. Have you ever stayed in a shelter?

you'd be lucky to be able to sleep on a cot with no pillow unless you brought one. if you did fall asleep, i't likely you would have anything you brought with you stolen.

There are many reasons not to evacuate.

Florence was forecast to be a Cat 4 on landfall.. it was a Cat 1.

Walk a mile in someone else s shoes before you denigrate people.

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Response to Tribalceltic (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:29 AM

21. Yes, and I'm even worse conditions in the Army.

 

It sucks.

But itís better than death.

And itís better than staying and making other people risk their lives later for you.

My point is everyone had options to evacuate. Nobody was forced to. Economic circumstances did not force anyone to stay. They all had the alternative.

Now, they may have made the CHOICE to stay based on some economic situations. But it was still a choice. There was nobody who couldn't evacuate, contrary to how you portrayed it. Only those who chose not to.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #21)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:11 PM

28. Those are human beings you are running down.

We all make mistakes. There will always be a certain percentage of humans not equipped to evacuate. There are a myriad of reasons why they dont, or can't. That includes those who could have and should have but chose to stay. Some don't have the mental nor physical ability to leave. Probably more of these than you think.

The older I get the more compassion I am granted. Not much compassion going around these days. But I know that I fuck up sometimes, I am human. I try less judgement and more understanding makes me feel better about myself.

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Response to Tribalceltic (Reply #19)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:29 PM

33. Actually, news was blasted everywhere in this state (I live here) not to pay attention to the

lower hurricane category because the flooding would still be catastrophic and to get out now. 4 people are now dead. I would think spending time in a shelter even if you had to sleep on a cot without a pillow would be preferable to death but what do I know>

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Response to octoberlib (Reply #33)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:17 PM

34. You are assuming a lot of people have no health problems

Cardiac problems, Sciatica, hiatel hernia, other problems can make sleeping on a cot dangerous or at least painful. being diabetic and away from good food supplies can also be if not deadly, very dangerous, with effects that can last years.

The travel alone could be dangerous, I'm not supposed to remain in a seated position over 2 hours due to blood clots. are you certain they will stop the bus for me? I'm not.

If I can evacuate safely and I feel the need to I will. Hyped up threats like we have seen with Florence don't increase anyone's desire to evacuate. Constant over predicting, implications that people are stupid and threats.. like write your social security # on your arm are a part of the problem not the solution.

I evacuated to a shelter once in the 17 years I have lived near Tampa... I will leave for a Cat 4 or 5 storm, nothing less.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #3)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:26 AM

20. Completely agree. Thank you!

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:46 AM

4. For crying out loud...

... I understand people worry about looting post storm but for god sake you do not have any items in your home that are worth your life, or the lives of the responders.

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Response to nycbos (Reply #4)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:49 AM

7. In my experience, people who stay aren't staying put to guard their possessions.

I think I'm going to have to take a break here. The lack of compassion and understanding and the rush to judgment is depressing the hell out of me. This thread is bringing me to tears.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:30 AM

22. Me too. I couldn't put the words any better than you have.

I'm too emotional to debate this lack of empathy. Thank you dearly for doing it!

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:33 AM

24. Hang in there. I know how you feel.

Somehow flinging crap becomes more important than having compassion for people who, for all kinds of reasons, are in real danger. But we donít all feel that way.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 02:23 PM

30. I agree -- I have lived through 10+ hurricanes

Including right in the worst part of Irma, and have never left, for reasons many and true.

People being judgemental are shameful, clueless, and privileged.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 08:57 AM

8. Each one should be mailed a $5,000 bill afterwards. They won't be doing that shit again.

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Changed to a bill, since fines need to be defined prior to offense.

Find out the total of water rescue costs and divide it amongst those saved.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:05 AM

10. Please see my above posts.

Do you really think people who can't afford to get out can afford the bill after? I'm sickened by this thread. I should have stayed away.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:12 AM

12. I feel sorry for the ones who can't evacuate

But I have no sympathy for the ones like the young woman who was interviewed yesterday on MSNBC and was going to ride it out in her half a million dollar beach house for the ďadrenaline rushĒ. She had the means to leave.

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Response to maryellen99 (Reply #12)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:32 AM

23. There was nobody who couldn't evacuate

 

Resources were there to move people and shelter than inland for anyone who needed it.

Ambulances from other counties and even states have been in the area several days moving people too medically fragile to evacuate in regalia transportation, at no cost.

Anyone who stayed did so by choice.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #10)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:17 AM

16. Yes, let me clarify. The ones who stayed because they wanted to ride it out for the fun.

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The same thing happened in Katrina, where poor and elderly could not go anywhere. They were trapped by their situation.

My post was more for the jerks who place themselves at risk, when they had options, and then expect to be rescued later.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:09 AM

11. There are a lot of reasons people ignore mandatory evacuation orders

not the least of which is science denial. Or lack of funds. Or lack of trust for government. Or concern for where to go with pets.

The thing that bothers me the most is wondering how many of these people may be Fox News watchers who have been programmed to distrust government and deny science. New Bern is a heavily Republican area of NC.

I happen to be a Weather Channel junkie and I have found it fascinating to listen to the meteorologists discuss the science of wind speed, direction, speed of the hurricane, rain fall, surge, high tide and all the factors that go in to the projection of areas that can most be affected by flooding, which is what usually provides the most risk to human life and the most damage to property. If people aren't inclined to be interested in or believe the science, they won't pay attention to the warnings of risk from anyone--including government.

I think what we're seeing here is not just "stupidity".



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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:34 AM

25. People with significant disabilities

may have problems physically evacuating.

How many buses made available have wheelchair lifts for folks who depend on power wheelchairs?

People have trouble getting accessible transportation even in the best of times. Usually it's provided by these lift-equipped vans that generally can handle only two wheelchair users at a time.

The ADA only requires cities and towns to provide accessible transportation in regions that are served by mainstream mass transit. If a locality has little or no mass transit service, that means the accessible service will be puny to non-existent.

A huge problem with Katrina and its aftermath was how to handle people with significant disabilities. Many of them died.

Hopefully FEMA as learned those lessons, but given the current administration's contempt for people with disabilities, I doubt it.

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Response to thucythucy (Reply #25)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 03:58 PM

37. NC has had ambulances and wheelchair vans from all over there to evacuate people

 

All the counties west have sent ambulances and wheelchair transport vans to evacuate those in medically fragile conditions.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #37)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:29 PM

39. Well that's very good to hear.

During Katrina the situation was quite different.

There were also problems that evidently hadn't even occurred to those in charge of disaster relief. For instance, people evacuating across state lines had problems getting their prescriptions filled. Pharmacies in Texas wouldn't accept Louisiana Medicaid--it was far too long before this bureaucratic glitch was straightened out. And what about people who need dialysis, when their own centers are shut down and the host community's facilities can't accommodate them?

All manner of issues no one had given much thought to, outside of the disability community that was directly impacted.

Let's hope, as I say, that FEMA has learned at least some of the lessons of Katrina, lessons for which too many folks paid for with their lives.

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 01:54 PM

27. She's not going away anytime soon either

They could have a long wait

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Response to PearliePoo2 (Original post)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 11:50 PM

40. Some people don't evacuate to a shelter because the shelters do not accept pets

Even if you can afford a hotel, most do not accept pets and shelters will not take them either. So do they go to a shelter and leave their pets to die?

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