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Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:01 PM

THANK YOU BERNIE SANDERS for speaking the blatant truth when so many won't

this one needs to be blasted from the hilltops! Couldn't have said it better myself! I love my Senator!

"Trump's Pathetic Lies" by Bernie Sanders




it is also on Facebook here:

https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders/videos/679000955817299



BLAST IT FROM THE ROOFTOPS!

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:49 PM

1. Kicking for the truth.

Thanks, Bernie.

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Response to democrank (Reply #1)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:49 PM

34. :) Here's the New York Times factchecking article on

this subject.

Trump Falsely Claims He’s Saving Medicare and Social Security, Which He Says Democrats Are ‘Killing’
President Trump has accused Democrats of trying to “raid,” “rob” or “hurt” Medicare and Social Security, while suggesting he has made both programs “stronger.” Neither claim is true.

First, not only has Mr. Trump failed to strengthen Medicare and Social Security, the financial outlook for both trusts has largely worsened. That’s at least partly the result of Mr. Trump’s tax law that is collecting fewer taxes from Americans and, in turn, investing less money into each program.

In June, the government projected that Medicare funds would be depleted by 2026, three years earlier than estimated in 2017. The report noted that less money will flow into the fund because of low wages and lower taxes.

The 2017 tax law also repealed the individual mandate that was required under the Affordable Care Act. That has led to Medicare needing to pay hospitals more money to reimburse costs of health care for a growing number of uninsured people.

Another government report, also released in June, projected that the Social Security’s fund for old-age benefits will run out in 2034. That is one year earlier than estimated in 2017, though the fund has enough money to pay for reduced Social Security benefits for 75 years.

According to that report, the fund for retirees will suffer reduced income because of both the tax law and the Trump administration’s move to rescind the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. (The Social Security’s disability fund, however, gained three years of solvency.)

Second, there is no evidence that Democrats are proposing to cut Social Security, and Mr. Trump is distorting their positions on Medicare.

In its 2016 platform, the Democratic Party vowed to protect and expand Social Security. Legislation introduced by Democrats in the House and Senate has proposed to increase benefits — not “raid,” “destroy” or “hurt” the fund, as Mr. Trump claimed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/us/politics/fact-check-trump-medicare-social-security-.html

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #34)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:55 PM

71. Brava.

Brava Hortensis.

Truth.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:55 PM

2. K&R (eom)

 

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Response to CanSocDem (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:56 PM

40. The Hill: Trump is wrong, Dems are fighting to save

Medicare and Social Security

President Trump has shown an uncanny ability to “project” issues onto his perceived foes — ascribing to them his own troublesome actions, especially when he tries to deflect bad news. That’s exactly what he did at a political rally in Montana Thursday night amidst a firestorm of White House controversies, unleashing a whopper about Americans’ earned benefits:

“[The Democrats] are going to hurt your Social Security so badly, and they are killing you on Medicare. I am going to protect your Social Security.” A few days before the Montana rally, President Trump told reporters, “The Democrats wants to destroy Medicare. And we will save it.”

These are classic examples of Trumpian projection because the exact opposite of what the president said is true. Far from “protecting” Social Security and Medicare, President Trump and Republicans in Congress have been actively working to undermine them. In fact, GOP Congressional leaders promised to “reform” (which really means “cut”) Social Security and Medicare to help pay for trillions of dollars in Trump tax cuts benefiting the wealthy and big corporations. ...

The majority party is already hard at work on those cuts. Republicans have released a plan that would raise the Social Security retirement age to 70 and impose stingier cost-of-living adjustments — meaning massive benefit cuts for America’s seniors. The president’s 2019 budget slashes Social Security Disability (SSDI) benefits by a staggering $64 billion over ten years. His budget director once disingenuously claimed that SSDI is not part of Social Security even though the words “Social Security” are in its name.

The president and his party’s efforts to cut Medicare are just as glaring. House Republicans propose to axe $537 billion over the next decade from the program that provides health coverage to nearly 60 million older and disabled Americans. And since when does “saving” Medicare mean privatizing it? The 2019 GOP budget proposals would convert Medicare into a voucher program which would make it harder for seniors to choose their own doctors, and eventually end traditional Medicare. (Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich famously gloated that traditional Medicare would “wither on the vine” if privatized).

“Saving Medicare” certainly does not mean compromising the program’s solvency — but that’s exactly what the president and Republicans have tried to do. The Affordable Care Act had extended Medicare’s solvency, but the Republicans’ inexhaustible efforts to destroy Obamacare have had the opposite effect. According to the 2018 Medicare Trustees report, Medicare has lost three years of solvency since President Trump took office.

The president’s claim that Democrats will “destroy” Social Security and “kill” Medicare is patently absurd. Although they are currently in the Congressional minority, Democrats have committed themselves not only to protecting these programs for future generations — but expanding them, as well.

During the 115th Congress, Democrats have introduced no fewer than seven bills to preserve and boost Social Security. These include Rep. John Larson’s Social Security 2100 Act, which would keep the system solvent for the rest of the century while modestly expanding benefits — and Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-Vt.) like-minded Social Security Expansion Act.

Other Democratic bills would link cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs) to a more generous inflation index specially geared to the elderly known as the CPI-E Rep. John Garamendi by (D-Calif.), which Rep. Larson’s bill also includes; offer Social Security beneficiaries a one-time emergency benefit payment equal to a 3.9 percent raise by Rep. Rick Nolan, (D-Minn.); and repeal a law that allows earned benefits to be garnished by the federal government by Sen. Ron Wyden, (D-Ore).

On the Medicare side, the minority party has been no less vigilant. Democrats defended the Affordable Care Act — which strengthened Medicare — against repeated attempts to repeal it and the Trump administration’s efforts at sabotage. The party champions a policy of allowing Medicare to negotiate prescription drug prices directly with pharmaceutical companies — which could save the program billions of dollars every year. Bills introduced by Senator Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) and Jan Schakowsky (D-Ill.) would empower the Department of Health and Human Services to do just that.

But those are only two of the positive pro-Medicare measures percolating on Capitol Hill. Senator Mazie Hirono (D-Hawaii) has introduced legislation protecting Medicare from benefit cuts by making it procedurally more difficult to increase the Medicare eligibility age and privatize the program. Bills from Rep. Lucille Roybal-Allard (D-Calif.) and Rep. Debbie Dingell (D-Mich.) would together add much-needed vision, hearing and dental coverage to Medicare Senators Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Bob Casey (D-Penn.) along with Reps. Elijah Cummings (D-Md.) and Lloyd Doggett (D-Tex.) have sponsored legislation that would permit the importation of drugs from Canada, reducing Medicare’s costs.

These are only a handful of more than ten Democratic bills to strengthen Medicare and help the seniors who rely on it. Unfortunately, none of their proposed improvements has made it to the floor of either house of Congress under Republican control. That may change after November’s elections.

Of course, these efforts to improve earned benefits come as no surprise to advocates and policy analysts. Democrats enacted these legacy programs in 1935 (Social Security) and 1965 (Medicare) and have worked tirelessly — against formidable opposition — to strengthen and expand both programs. The president’s claims simply don’t make sense.

There is not one shred of evidence that Democrats are attempting to destroy Social Security and Medicare. By the same token, Trump’s suggestion that he and his party are trying to “save” these programs can only be described as “fake news.” President Trump can “project” as much as he wants to, but it is obvious who truly supports Americans’ earned benefits — and who is working nonstop to undermine them.

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/405809-trump-is-wrong-dems-are-fighting-to-save-medicare-and-social-security

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 04:56 PM

3. The Big Lie as a propagander technique always must be countered

It can never be assumed that "the big lie" is too outrageous to ever be believed. When it is not strongly countered is when some people start to think "there must be some truth in it" if they can keep repeating it without being totally refuted. What Sanders is doing here is both effective and essential .

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:57 PM

73. Yes, it is. All our senators are speaking out

for that reason. This is a national emergency.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #3)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:08 AM

165. One only needs to watch C-span occasionally to see that Democratic senators and congress people...

... are talking about this and other important issues, TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, every chance they get.

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Response to George II (Reply #165)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:23 AM

168. I don't disagree at all

We are all a part of a joint effort to do so, and Bernie Sanders is an (not the only) important part of that "we". I applaud all who forcefully counter the lies of this administration. More attention should be paid to the content of this video (in terms of issue framing effectiveness) than on whether the OP was overly enthusiastic about the role Sanders plays in this combined effort. Likewise for the efforts of other members of Congress who confront Trump.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #168)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

182. my two senators.. cantwell and murray are working tirelessly against trump..

..and are always speaking out against him.

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Response to George II (Reply #165)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:51 PM

205. ...

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:11 PM

4. Massive cuts.

They'll go after the disabled first. Easy target Seniors next, could be a challenge, but many seniors are brain dead trumpers. I'm not sure what will be done with people who lose their only source of income, but I'm sure it won't be pretty.

maga

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:08 PM

10. The seniors will be granfathered in.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #4)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:01 PM

43. The disabled, sure, but they won't target current recipients

of retirement benefits. Cuts will take effect in the future, only affecting young people. This is how they'll retain the loyalty of the brain-dead Trumpers you mention. Most of them won't be bothered a bit if their children and grandchildren are harmed, as long as they get theirs.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #43)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:03 PM

44. So true!

But I think all bets are off as the deficit and debt spiral out of control. One thing for sure, the rich won't pay.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #43)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:17 PM

193. Oh yes they will.

But cutting benefits of boomers is where the money is. They’ll cut boomers. The recent tax cut to the very rich is proof. They can’t reduce tax receipts by so much and continue current funding.

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Response to enid602 (Reply #193)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:20 PM

196. Really, they'll do just about anything they can to avoid it.

The Republicans know perfectly well that most of their votes come from older people. They'd like to keep it that way.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:22 PM

5. Thank you for sharing this!

 

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #5)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:59 PM

42. Sure. And here's the AP fact check (spoiler: Trump lies!)

PBS: AP fact check: Has Trump made Medicare and Social Security stronger?

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/ap-fact-check-has-trump-made-medicare-and-social-security-stronger

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:29 PM

6. K&R Is there no legal consequence for "elected" officials lying to voters about social security??!!



Wingnut radio does the same thing -- saying the opposite of what is true; it's almost comical how contorted their "logic" has become in order to justify the talking points (LIES) they want to convey.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:30 PM

7. Thanks Bernie!

Keep fighting him at every turn.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:32 PM

8. Repugs are institutionally opposed to Social Security and have been since day 1.

Pisses me off when asses like Rick Scott put out commercials saying Democrats will reduce your Medicare but I will protect it.

LIAR

I scream at my tv that his company got fined hundreds of millions of dollars for cheating Medicare patients while he was still president! Also Paul Ryan's budgets have contained cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and SS every single year and were only not passed because of unified Democratic opposition. Dems need to run on healthcare and Social Security - it's critical!!

edited to remove bolding that went awry

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Response to lark (Reply #8)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:29 PM

13. Very true. I had moved out of Fl prior to his election, but never could figure why he wasn't in jail

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Response to dameatball (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:09 AM

166. Rich people almost never go to jail.

he said he had no knowledge of this, that he was CEO and didn't set billing policies/practices. He had also sold the company before the trial and the rich judge let the rich person who ripped off Medicare & Medicare patients to the tune of $700,000,000. He absolutely should still be in jail, but this is not a fair world.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 05:45 PM

9. WHO the fuck are the RUBES..

At his rallies that believe him saying it's the Democrats wanting to kill Social Security???

The stupid, it burns....

Thank you Senator Sanders. Unfortunately, you'll never see that video on the Repuke Propaganda Network.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:20 PM

11. Thank Goddess

…for Bernie.

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Response to zentrum (Reply #11)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:06 PM

46. :) Don't forget the MSM. They've been on it all along.

Here are some just-for-examples since there are far too many to post:





Vox (2017): Top Republicans are already talking about cutting Medicare and Social Security next
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16741730/gop-agenda-medicare-social-security


A few new articles are linked earlier in this thread.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:23 PM

12. Really? Nobody else is saying this? No Democratic officeholder is calling out Trump's lies?

Oh wait -- maybe no other Independent is saying this!

Jesus Christ in a Trailer Hitch, people. I know you love the old curmudgeon, but he did not invent the legislation in the Democratic Party playbook, and he is not the only person calling out Trump on his lies.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:33 PM

14. No kidding.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:34 PM

15. "...he is not the only person calling out Trump on his lies."

he is not the only person calling out Trump on his lies.
Absolutely true. Thank you very much for the reminder.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:35 PM

17. x1000!

Every Democratic Party member has called out the Trumpster for his lies on SS, Medicare/Medicaid, Healthcare, you name it.

Certainly glad Senator Sanders is singing from the same songbook. But the lyrics are certainly not new.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:41 PM

18. Please stop this.

He is not an old curmudgeon nor is he claiming to be the only one calling out Trump. We don't need your negativity smothering a positive message.

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Response to chwaliszewski (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:52 PM

20. Correct on that one point.

nor is he claiming to be the only one calling out Trump
Correct on that one point. HE (Bernie) does not claim this. But to read the fan-posts on the Internet, it leaves one with that distinct impression.

We don't need your negativity smothering a positive message.
Oh, pleeeeze! Stop exaggerating! Nobody was being negative. Nobody was smothering anything.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:39 PM

104. Umhmm

Correct on that one point. HE (Bernie) does not claim this. But to read the fan-posts on the Internet, it leaves one with that distinct impression.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:01 AM

158. Was that a gaslight? I think that may have been a little gaslight. Awwww, cute.

Hell, it’s simply fantastic to live in a state where one’s senator will speak up. This was about someone’s senator, right? Not about “every other democrat”.

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Response to Magoo48 (Reply #158)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:01 PM

213. Both of my Senators have spoken up, many times. Both of the Senators in my neighboring state....

....(NY) have spoken up, many times. Both MA Senators have spoken up, many times.

If I were to do a search, I'd probably find that all 47 Democratic Senators and the other Independent Senator have spoken up, AND even several republican Senators.

It's fantastic to live in a state where both Senators will speak up.

PS - how it that a "gaslight"?

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Response to chwaliszewski (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:31 PM

29. You don't understand.

 

For a certain element on DU, it's basically an ironclad rule: Anything remotely favorable about Bernie Sanders must immediately be pissed on.

Say, did you know that Bernie isn't a Democrat?

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:40 PM

31. +1

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:48 PM

33. I hear Bernie has a jacket too!

 

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #33)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:01 AM

138. OMG! Is there no end to his perfidy? (n/t)

 

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:52 PM

37. Did you know

he won't endorse his son? WTF kind of a father is he?

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #37)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:28 PM

82. Yup.

Saw Levi Sanders on CNN the other day.

Bernie refuses to endorse him. What I heard is Levi supports all that dad does. Why won't BS endorse his own son? Weird.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #82)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:32 AM

133. I cannot imagine

why anyone cares? I am sure they have talked about it and decided for one reason or the other that this was the best way to go. I was rolling my eyes and adding in jest to the "Bernie is not a Democrat" and all those constant and idiotic disruptions not actually questioning why he did not endorse. I figure that does not matter one tiny bit, just as much as the rest of the constant cries matter, not one tiny bit.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #37)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:06 AM

139. LOL, a classic bullshit Bernie-bash!

 

Levi Sanders chose to run in the primary in a district where he doesn't live.

So if Bernie endorses him, it proves Bernie is evil, because his nepotism is leading him to support a carpetbagger. But if Bernie doesn't endorse him, it proves Bernie is evil, because he's a bad father.

Hulk no like Bernie! HULK SMASH!!!!

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #139)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:45 AM

161. Hulk smash, lol.

All these carefully written and worded, often times almost tomes with links to all sorts of horrors, are like waving your arm around to remove a bothering fly. Bernie is going to Bernie and thank god for Bernie being Bernie. There are too many people who appreciate him and/or support him for all the waving arms on DU to matter. He is part of the whole and trying to keep it from tipping all the way over into RW territory. He is not alone he is just willing to go out there and talk about it and it sure annoys a lot of people on DU. Not so much elsewhere and that makes it easy to just let these people go. Does not matter. Their opinions certainly do matter, they are not to be dismissed as they are as much a part of the Democrats as any of us but the angry and petulant cries when Bernie eats a hot dog or ties his shoe are pretty funny to read.

I try really hard not to engage anymore but when someone thinks I made a comment like one of the "Bernie Sanders is a horror and NOT a Democrat" group I have to correct that.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:03 PM

77. People need to know that all our senators and congressmen

have been speaking out about Trump's plans to destroy SS and MC -- for as long as Trump himself has been a threat.

Also that the MSM have been on this all along.

What Bernie says is good and it matters. And hopefully he'll reach some who unaccountably don't know what's happening.

But you really need to understand that he's hardly the only one trying to wake America to this grave danger. Let's wish him even more success "out there," along with all the others.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #77)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:36 AM

179. Things that people "really need to understand"

 

You write, "But you really need to understand that [Bernie]'s hardly the only one trying to wake America to this grave danger."

OK, thanks for explaining that. (Truth be told, I already understood it, but A for effort.)

I don't know if you're right that all the Democrats in Congress have been speaking out about this, but certainly many of them have. They haven't all been true-blue; IIRC, some of them expressed willingness to consider chained CPI, a covert way to cut Social Security benefits. I don't know how many of them have supported raising or eliminating the earnings cap, an important subject that Bernie mentions in the video. Overall, though, enough of them have been vocal enough that stuff like chained CPI is probably political poison, although Trump may well get away with weakening Social Security indirectly by closing many local offices.

Now here's what you really need to understand: No one has said that Bernie is the only one. He took the trouble to prepare an effective video, so garybeck posted it. Where Bernie's "only one" status comes into play is that, among all the Democrats and all the Independents who align themselves with Democrats, there's only one who gets such incessant bashing on DU. Someone could do a laudatory OP like this about any of the others, and it wouldn't draw this (predictable) barrage of negativity.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #179)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:09 AM

187. Fair. Accurate. +1 n/t

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #179)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

189. Perfectly said.

I just accidentally erased a wonderful reply to you......sigh.

I am sure someone, sometime, somewhere said that Bernie was the only one and was incorrect. Sometimes he is the only one. Mostly I do not recall much of that except from those with the smilies who think they are actually doing something productive with their nastiness and smilies. THEY are the people who mostly say that or ask why you think he is the only one when nobody actually said that, unless he was.

Someone makes a Bernie post then gets accused of saying he is the only one with this added so we know exactly how ridiculous we really are, absolutely beyond taking seriously and the gang comes by for a look and the history is made. These people who do this are really beneath all the rest of the posters here who have the intelligence and courtesy to formulate a real reply and discuss. Usually I just ignore them and think how small they really look and move on.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #189)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:40 PM

202. So tired of their childishness

Its always the same few loud Bernie bashers too. You'd think the admins could deal with these usurpers by now. Its so tiring having to wade through these dividers posts in every Sanders OP.

And even if they can't argue with anything Sanders has said or done, as this example, they insist its Sanders supporters that are.....loving him a little too much?

I swear this place is like a daycare center sometimes. Us adults have to come in and rebuke these children that insist on picking on the 'outsider' kid whenever he tries to do something good or say something good.....because....he's just trying to get attention, to be popular. Is it envy? Is it holding old grudges? Or some other childish reason? But they have to make cruel comments about him whenever they can. And then use ROTFL emoticons to dig in their attempted ridicule. And lord help you if you are one of the kids that actually LIKES him and wants to be his friend. Because if you are HIS friend, they you can't be theirs!

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #179)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:22 PM

194. Actually, The OP infers that others "won't" say it, when multiple Democrats have been calling Trump

a liar, and said all of the things Sanders has concerning that tax bill.

The OP's intentions are very clear to anyone who has been on DU for a while.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #194)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 01:29 PM

197. And everyone else. Not exactly a silent dog whistle for hostilty

and rejection. There are plenty of decent Sanders supporters, but strife just comes with some of the subgroups who've gravitated to him. I do try to be understanding and try to empathize as much as I can with the difficulties of any who may come here.

You can't expect his social conservative faction, for instance, to just support the economic programs they want without taking a swipe at liberals and liberal Democrats (that's me! ).

Then there are his other populists whose reason for existence is hostility against "the Democratic establishment" (by definition everyone who thinks we're rather wonderful even if we have been around for over 225 years and fully intend to keep on doing our thing, so that's me too).

The misogynistic white males among the former probably should be mentioned on their own because I'm female (those shouldn't still resent me now that I no longer take a job they'd want, but I'm still female, so here I be also). And of course his righteous zealots will always be with us under whatever label they're trying out (yeah, I'm a nonbeliever, burn me, babies, burn me!).

I often think it must be hard to be them. And I am totally serious about that.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:57 PM

111. ...

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:02 PM

115. Bernie's not a Democrat?? Who knew?!

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:17 PM

121. Indeed.

 

To some it seems more important than pissing on repukes. I find it very odd, myself.

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Response to shanny (Reply #121)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:59 PM

128. Many wish Bernie would spend more time "pissing" on Republicans than on Democrats.

Bernie:

"And I think what Trump was able to do was pick up on the failures of the Democratic Party that did not talk about the fact that hard working decent people saw their jobs going to Mexico or China, or people cannot afford to send their kids to college or afford health care or afford housing that they desperately need."

"It wasn't that Donald Trump won the election, it was that the Democratic Party lost."

"It's not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I come from."

"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last fifteen years or so has been a failure."

"Over the last 30 or 40 years the Democratic Party has transformed itself from the party of the working class ... to a party of significantly controlled by a liberal elite which has moved very far away from the needs of ... working families in this country."

"The Democratic Party has been dominated by wealthy campaign contributors. They gotta open the doors to people who work with their hands, people who take showers at the end of the day, not the beginning."

What is the purpose of saying these things before the primaries when Democrats might have a chance to gain back at least a little power? I find it very odd, myself.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #128)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:25 AM

141. Nothing ever gets better

 

If it is ignored. We didn't lose 1000 state legislators, 2/3 of the governorships, the House, the Senate and the WH since 2008 for no reason.

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Response to shanny (Reply #141)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:30 AM

142. it wasn't for "no reason" it was because of bigotry

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #142)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:48 AM

143. Yes that's why Obama was re-elected

 

While we were losing all those other elections. Clearly.

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Response to shanny (Reply #143)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:04 AM

145. the ones that voted for shitty congress did not vote for Obama

 

Vermont has a REpublican Governor . Sanders hasn't done much to change that in his own state.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #145)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:07 AM

148. Thank you for making my point for me.

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #148)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:17 AM

152. you made excuses for attacks on democrats

 

from someone with a lack of accomplishments of their own.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #152)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:33 AM

157. TOS, dude

 

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Response to shanny (Reply #141)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:59 AM

144. +1 Thank you

 

For speaking the truth.

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Response to shanny (Reply #141)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:07 AM

147. That was because Republicans have waged an all-out war.

For more than four decades they've built a network of grassroots organizations and think tanks that formulate and promote conservative ideas, a long term investment that's paying off. Built their own media of talk radio and Fox News and have promoted the careers of conservatives within the mainstream media. Built ideological alliances between industry, government and regulatory agencies. They've suppressed voter turnout in minority communities and with gerrymandering. From 1991 tp 1994, Republicans received 62 percent of the tobacco industry's political contributions, from 1995 to 2000, they received 82 percent. Agribusiness gave 56 percent to Republicans and by 2002 it was 72 percent. Other industries follow this trend. The idea that Democrats are ones in corporate pockets is silly.

Grover Norquist in 2003: "We are trying to change the tones in state capitals and turn them toward nastiness and partisanship."

It has nothing to do with Democrats. Trying to make it about "Heh, the Democrats have no message and stand for nothing" and "Heh, the Democrats have abandoned FDR policies and are liberal elites who have ignored the working and middle classes" is absurd.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #147)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:11 AM

149. Oh OK--it's all those other guys' fault.

 

Meantime Democrats have been doing what, exactly, about all that?

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Response to shanny (Reply #149)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:16 AM

151. Oh OK -- it's all those Democrats' fault.

Those horrible meanie liberal elites!!1111 Why didn't they stop (fill in the blank). THANKS, OBAMA.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #151)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:18 AM

154. i wonder if it's Obama's fault that Vermont has a Republican Governor

 

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Response to JI7 (Reply #154)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:20 AM

155. No, that's Hillary's fault.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #151)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

191. Didn't have an answer, did you?

 

So you deflect. Buh-bye

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Response to shanny (Reply #191)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:58 PM

208. #WhataboutDemocrats!111!!!!!

LOL

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Response to shanny (Reply #149)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:00 AM

162. Why doesn't Vermont have single payer or

free college?

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #162)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

181. Didn't Vermont propose single-payer

and then discovered that they couldn't afford it because of too low a population?

Several years ago California had single-payer on the ballot. My American cousin, whose winter home was in Calif., contacted all his Canadian relatives for information on our healthcare system, and worked very hard to try to get the proposition passed (can't remember the number).

I think California should try it again. All it takes is for one very large state to show that it works, for the rest to (eventually) fall in line. I doubt anyone thinks of California as a "dreaded socialist state" the way many think of Canada, UK, Australia etc.

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Response to luvtheGWN (Reply #181)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:49 AM

184. Well, it would be nice if Bernie took the responsibility

of explaining what happened in his state instead of blaming Democrats.

The Florida governor candidate, Gillum, was asked about this on Cuomo’s CNN show last week or so, and even he was able to answer that it was impossible financially unless there was a consortium of states pooled together. There is no reason why Bernie can’t be more honest about the failure in his state because others face the same problems. It’s a shame a new candidate like Gillum gets stuck with the hard part of answering hard questions about it while others get a pass.

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Response to luvtheGWN (Reply #181)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:05 PM

198. Your part-time Californian cousin needs to check the political makeup of my state...

He will find it is actually diverse in more ways than one. We send Dana Rohrabacher, Darrell Issa, and Duncan Hunter to Congress, for gods' sake, not just Ted Lieu, Eric Swallwell, and the quieter Salud Carbajal and Julia Brownley.

The population of California surpasses that of Canada, and it is a very complicated place.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:27 AM

156. Don't be disingenuous

I have not seen threads thanking so eagerly "corporatist" "establishment" Democrat for doing the same damn thing.

We've been DUers long enough to know the intent of the OP.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:09 AM

175. Much as the corollary is also true.

"For a certain element on DU, it's basically an ironclad rule: Anything remotely critical of a sacred cow must immediately be questioned as anti-progressive."

Say, did you know that six of one equals half a dozen of the other?

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:35 AM

178. Anything remotely favorable about Democrats must be immediately pissed on.

Bernie:

"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last fifteen years or so has been a failure."

"It is not good enough to have a liberal elite. I come from the white working class, and I am deeply humiliated that the Democratic Party cannot talk to where I came from."

"Over the last thirty or forty years the Democratic Party has transformed itself from the party of the working class ... to a party significantly controlled by a liberal elite which has moved very far away from the needs of ... working families in this country."

"The Democratic Party has been dominated by wealthy campaign contributors. They gotta open the door to people who work with their hands, people who take showers at the end of the day, not the beginning of the day."

"And I think what Trump was able to do was pick up on the failures of the Democratic Party that did not talk about the fact that hard working decent people saw their jobs going to Mexico or China, or people cannot afford to send their kids to college or afford child care or afford housing that they desperately need."

"And what we're trying to do is reform the Democratic Party, make it a party of working people, make it a party of young people."

"It wasn't that Donald Trump won the election, it was that the Democratic Party lost the election. We need a Democratic Party that is not a liberal elite but of the working class of this country, we need a party that is a grassroots party, where candidates are talking to working people, not spending their time raising money for the wealthy and powerful."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #178)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:43 AM

183. It's a question of how you react to criticism.

 

One prescription for success is to think especially hard about past failures. This would entail an open and honest discussion about what went wrong, with different points of view being welcomed. The goal is to arrive at a good understanding about what the problems were, as the first step toward fixing them.

Apparently the other prescription for success is to say that any criticism constitutes disloyalty. That dismissal is augmented by focusing on the minor point of party identification among the different members of the Democratic caucus in the Senate.

I'm on board with the first approach.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #29)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 02:30 PM

199. Ain't that the sad pathetic truth!

First thing I did after opening this thread was look at the responses to see if they showed up. They did, of course. They're in every discussion having anything at all to do with Bernie Sanders. Same people all the time, every time. As certain as death and taxes, just not as pleasant or welcome.

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Response to chwaliszewski (Reply #18)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:14 PM

48. Too funny. How is shouting, scolding, and wagging his finger not curmudgeonly?

Some people love it, you know they do. My husband does -- Bernie reminds him of the alta cacas of his boyhood in New York City. (Loosely translated, "old farts." Loosely translated, but exactly quoted.)

So it's Bernie's well-practised schtick -- embrace it; Bernie has.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #48)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:35 PM

86. Bye, hekate.

I shall instead embrace the ignore function.

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Response to chwaliszewski (Reply #86)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:55 PM

93. I have no one on ignore.

To do that lets you hear only half of the discussion on a Democratic board.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #93)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:18 AM

153. And some of us are a bit sick & tired of the "Bernie bad guy" mantra

 

Ignore works wonders and does away with the negativity thus improving ones experience here on this Democratic message board.
If we wanted to hear "Bernie is the debil!!!!111" we'd look at at conservative websites. Hard pass.

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #153)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:24 AM

169. The JPR exaggerations also get old. Quit exaggerating.

If anything, Bernie should be educating people on Democrat’s history with Social Security. To say or imply he is the only one speaking out on Trump’s lies is just wrong and that’s why the pushback.

The conservatives like Bernie — watch the current news about how Russia helped Trump, Bernie and Stein attack our Democratic nominee.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:48 PM

19. To be fair.. some won't listen to anyone else

So they haven't heard it from anyone else.

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Response to nini (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:25 PM

27. Good point, that

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Response to nini (Reply #19)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:46 PM

105. True! Lockbox, I remember that Al Gore line from his

campaign 20 years ago. And he’s just one Democrat who has been saying this for decades. Actually, Bernie shouldn’t have waited so long.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:57 PM

41. Kaboom!



Thanks. Democrats are such slackers.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:12 PM

47. Amazing the tunnel vision that seems to occur among some. In fact the Democratic nominee was

not only calling trump out on his lies, but warning people what would happen


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Response to still_one (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:41 PM

61. Yep, the Democratic nominee warned us over & over, laid out great plans, pointed out Trump's nature

She did this out loud and in plain English (albeit with intelligent syntax and grammar) as well as in writing. Hard to see how anybody missed that.

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Response to still_one (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:04 PM

78. I'd love to see your favorite highlights from the campaign where Clinton was really nailing Trump

I can Kick and Recommend posts about Clinton and Sanders. And other progressives, too!

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:14 PM

98. You mean here!??????

HERE!

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:23 PM

99. I am on pins and needles awaiting your response.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:24 PM

101. Are you claiming there weren't any/many?

There were too many to dig up now two years after the fact. Anyone who followed the campaign saw them.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #78)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:19 PM

122. So you think Hillary didn't nail Trump enough during her campaign.

But I was assured many many many times here on DU that the only message of her campaign was "I'm not Trump" because Trump was so terrible (NEVER mentioning the economy and jobs or health care or inequality or the environment or education or foreign policy) and all her ads were negative ads about Trump.



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Response to still_one (Reply #47)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:00 PM

112. umhmmm

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:29 PM

58. +1000!

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:55 PM

70. Feel free to post those videos and messages from Democratic politicians

I'll K&R them, too. The more the better.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #70)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:56 PM

72. Hillary's entire campaign

But you knew that

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Response to Hekate (Reply #72)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:00 PM

74. clip some of the best moments and post your favorite ones!

I'll K&R them, especially if they tear Trump a new one. There is more than enough real estate on his posterior for everyone to get their kicks in.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #74)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:19 PM

80. You'll find them in the Library with the candlestick, Prof

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Response to Hekate (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:23 PM

81. that's fine, but what is wrong with liking new messages that

have a progressive viewpoint and call out Trump?

Clinton (or any other progressive politician) could even make some if she chooses. that would be great. No need to throw shade on Sanders for doing it.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #81)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:03 PM

116. New messages???

How is this new?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:31 PM

84. Now That Is Funny

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Response to Hekate (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:40 PM

90. Evidently it's "pics or it didn't happen."

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Response to Hekate (Reply #80)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:01 PM

114. Bwahahahhahaha

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #74)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:04 PM

95. I guess you must have been out of the country. I went to several of Democratic nominees rallies,

and she was loud and clear.

She was out there on the stump all the time doing it.

The media of course had its own obsession, and focused on the events it thought would bring in more viewers.

Of course there were the debates, but you knew that


http://time.com/4355797/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech-transcript/
https://www.vox.com/2016/8/25/12647810/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right
http://fortune.com/2016/08/26/hillary-clinton-speech-alt-right/
https://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-foreign-policy-speech/index.html

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #74)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:53 PM

108. I did.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #70)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:27 PM

103. Ah, the ol' "gimme a link", "gimme a video". Did you follow the campaign from the conventions....

....through to Election Day? If you did you wouldn't need to have someone provide them to you.

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Response to George II (Reply #103)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:49 PM

106. I have a video.

I have a video. I have a video.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211121576#post98

Putin Puppet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #106)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:51 PM

107. "FAKE NEWS!"

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Response to George II (Reply #107)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:55 PM

109. Bwahahahaha

Must be why the professor hasn't responded.


Dayum. She was magnificent there!

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Response to George II (Reply #107)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:04 PM

118. Heh, exactly.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #190)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:34 PM

201. Thank you for posting this

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #190)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:54 PM

207. +1

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:09 PM

96. IKR?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 03:08 AM

140. i didn't say he's the only one calling out Trump

the difference is that most of the others that are willing to really call it out completely are talk show hosts, not Senators.

if you are saying there are other senators who are making videos like this, let's see them.

regardless my point for posting this was not to debate who else calls out Trump on his lies. it was just that the video is good and should be shared.

peace

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Response to garybeck (Reply #140)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:00 PM

200. Abundant links have been provided in this very thread. Enjoy. In addition...

...last year for some reason we had a coterie of DUers whinging daily that "no Democrats" were challenging Trump's lies and deeds. I started a long thread naming names and encouraged others to add to it -- basically, the entire Democratic caucus knows Trump for what he is and says so, even if not every one of them grabs a mic and gets in front of a camera daily.

So posting an OP with Caps Lock and Extra Exclamation Points saying how refreshing it is that Bernie is speaking out when no one else will is kind of a head-scratcher.

As a couple of posters have mentioned already in this thread: your OP and its implications are nothing new here. We don't "hate" your hero, Bernie Sanders (I) of Vermont, but it is very telling that he has spent his entire political career finding fault with the Democratic Party specifically and the GOP only incidentally. It's his schtick, like the finger wagging and yelling. He's not always wrong -- but by no means is he always right, either, and being scolded all the time gets tedious. It is not "hatred" or "bashing" to say so at Democratic Underground.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:16 PM

212. "Nobody else is saying this."...

I missed that in the OP. Granted, I didn't check for edits...

TYY

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:34 PM

16. You tell them bernie!

Republicans have never supported social security, Medicare or medicaid. Republicans lie to the hills about these earned benefit programs when they call them entitlements. The real entitlements are all the wasteful military spending, tax cuts on oil and gas and all of 45's golf course spending on our dime.

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Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:56 PM

23. .

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Response to Post removed (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:01 PM

24. What is the point of your trolling here?

I was proud of my vote for bernie and hillary. You didn't respond to what I said with a critique. There are people who enjoy listening to bernie and listening to president obama. Can't you be more constructive? You seem to relish in the realm of insults.

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:11 PM

25. Hello, you!



You didn't respond to what I said with a critique.
I was unaware that was a requirement.

There are people who enjoy listening to bernie and listening to president obama.
Okay. So?

Can't you be more constructive?
Always... whenever it's called for. This time, it wasn't called for.

You seem to relish in the realm of insults.
Nobody is doing that.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:30 PM

28. How did I piss you off so much?

I implored bernie to tell those republicans to keep them from cutting earned benefit programs. Would you rather he join republicans in their next cut social security bill from paul ryan? Do you attack angus king and want him to join the republicans? Do you want bernie to be in the senate when we hopefully gain the senate and keep 45 from having more supeeme court justices appointed?

Is he wrong on some things? Yes. His gun control policy doesn't go nearly far enough and some of his votes in this matter are not acceptable. Bernie should've endorsed hillary much earlier in the process. I wish Hillary clinton or another member of the democratic caucus were president right now more than anything. I stayed up all night on election night thinking of all the horrors 45 would bring. We can all be part of the democratic big tent. I am going to vote democratic up and down the ballot like I always have in November. Let's all do what we can to get over the bitterness of the primary election in 2016. We will all be better if we do.

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:50 PM

35. You haven't.

How did I piss you off so much?
You haven't.

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #28)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:50 PM

36. Some are mad Bernie caucuses with Democrats

 

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:16 PM

50. What an utterly ridiculous thing to say

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:52 PM

68. That's a pretty offensive thing to say.

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:00 PM

75. I'm sure that's it.

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:42 PM

91. You said what!?



You are a hoot.

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:57 PM

110. Is this wooing us with science?

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #110)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:12 PM

120. LMAO



Ding!

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:03 PM

192. And many are mad when he trashes the Democratic party.

You may not know any, but the rest of us do.

Buhbye.




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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #36)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 07:15 PM

211. You know that's not true. So why are you saying it?

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:03 PM

45. Who are you to call a member of Democratic Undergroud a troll?

ZeroSomeBrains
24. What is the point of your trolling here?


Can't you be more constructive? You seem to relish in the realm of insults.


Unnecessary personal attack. You just got here and are attacking long term members. Wow.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #45)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:15 PM

49. curiouser and curiouser. One has to wonder the motives of some posts sheshe. Or maybe not.........

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Response to still_one (Reply #49)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:18 PM

51. Read ya loud and clear, still_one.

Interesting.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #51)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:19 PM

53. .........................................................................

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Response to still_one (Reply #53)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:29 PM

57. Back at you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #51)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:03 PM

117. It looks like they may be trying to woo us with science.



Sounds familiar, lol.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #117)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:49 PM

126. Ummmhhmmm

Vaguely familiar. Will await the links.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #126)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:52 PM

127. Yup. I followed one of those links way back and

it went to Fox News...

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #127)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:07 AM

129. Fox?

No way! Not Faux Snooze.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #129)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:26 AM

132. Yes, and the link to that thread is still in the journal.....

I just looked and found it. Woo...

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #132)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:40 AM

135. What whoa woo.

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Response to G_j (Reply #130)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:37 AM

134. What?

Attack you? Why are you coming after me here? I never attacked anyone, G_j. I responded to a new member that called a long time member of DU a troll.


THEY SAID

ZeroSomeBrains (31 posts)
24. What is the point of your trolling here?

I was proud of my vote for bernie and hillary. You didn't respond to what I said with a critique. There are people who enjoy listening to bernie and listening to president obama. Can't you be more constructive? You seem to relish in the realm of insults.


I said



sheshe2 (50,269 posts)


45. Who are you to call a member of Democratic Undergroud a troll?

…………….

ZeroSomeBrains
24. What is the point of your trolling here?


Can't you be more constructive? You seem to relish in the realm of insults.



…………….
Unnecessary personal attack. You just got here and are attacking long term members. Wow.


Then You said

G_j
130. Yea well

attack me then, I agree with them

this OP had a topic, but some people can’t resist lowering the level of discussion. There is a name for that.


Well, I was not responding to the Op. I responded to a new person that called a long time DUer a troll. You are not okay with that are you Gj?

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #24)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:19 PM

52. I'm impressed, you're a quick learner. Enjoy your stay!

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Response to George II (Reply #52)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:23 PM

100. Thank you

I know I'm new here but we all have important perspectives. I love all my fellow brothers and sisters here and in our party. It's important we learn from the mistakes of not voting for gore and hillary. It's also ok to push within the party for the most that we can within obvious limits. Let's all keep at it.

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Response to ZeroSomeBrains (Reply #100)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:25 PM

102. Very good point there.............."WITHIN the Party!"

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Response to George II (Reply #52)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:57 AM

136. Woo...

?

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Response to Post removed (Reply #21)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:11 PM

97. He's so DREAMY!

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #97)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:20 PM

123. :)



Gee whiz I am dreaming my life away

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Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:39 PM

124. ...

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Response to Post removed (Reply #21)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:59 AM

137. Those people can't possibly be Bernie supporters. They're female.

 

Don't you know that all Bernie supporters are misogynistic white males? Don't you read DU?

Seriously, I assume the point of your post is that you snarkily consider anyone who supports Bernie to be a "cultist" or the like (a term I've seen used on DU). I personally voted for Bernie in the primary without ever saying that he was the most qualified candidate in the history of the country, so maybe your GIF is of people supporting a different candidate....

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #137)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:06 AM

146. "Those damn Bernie Bros!!!!!111111"

 



Meanwhile....







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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #146)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:33 AM

170. Random pictures of people don't change the election

results, though. They just show a commitment to disinformation. There is actual info out there about our base.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 06:55 PM

22. K & R n/t

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Response to ejbr (Reply #22)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:23 PM

54. Here's a very heartening LA Times report on what

these bastards are doing, and failing to do so far. Thank you, LA Times for your excellent ongoing coverage of this subject.

As you can see, media coverage of these subjects is very broad and ongoing. So far, both programs are in far better shape than Republicans like to claim, but damage is being done.

Social Security and Medicare trustees confirm: GOP policies have hurt both programs

The publication of the annual trustees’ reports for Social Security and Medicare has become the occasion for some of the most consistently uninformed reporting on government programs of the year. The release of both reports Tuesday was no exception. Within moments of their appearance, the Associated Press was tweeting, and later reported, that Medicare was projected to become “insolvent” in 2026, three years earlier than was projected last year.

Actually, no: The Medicare report projected that its hospital insurance trust fund, which applies to Medicare Part A, will be depleted in 2026. But since even then the program would be able to keep paying out more than 90% of scheduled benefits, it’s not anything like “insolvent.” As economist Dean Baker observes, at most it would be correct to say Medicare will face a “shortfall” in 2026, not insolvency. The 2018 Trustees Report shows that the current program is fully affordable. Indeed, the United States can fully afford an expanded Social Security.

The more glaring oversight in Tuesday’s reporting on both programs is that the trustees made crystal clear that policies of congressional Republicans and the Trump White House have damaged the financial prospects of both programs. There’s a bitter irony in that, since the GOP continually claims that it’s imperative to make both programs healthier to serve the 62 million people dependent on Social Security and 58.4 million covered by Medicare; the truth is that the Republicans are doing their best to cut the legs out from under both.

Here are the highlights from the reports.

First, Social Security is stable, and in some respects, improving fiscally. Its trustees expect its combined retirement and disability trust funds to become depleted in 2034, the same as was projected last year. Even then, the program would be able to continue paying out 77% of currently scheduled benefits. Since by then the scheduled benefit would be about 20% higher than it is today, the result would be close to a wash. If Congress wants to avert the cutback, nothing’s stopping it from raising the payroll tax, say by eliminating the wage cap on taxes, currently set at $128,400.

“The 2018 Trustees Report shows that the current program is fully affordable,” said Nancy Altman, a veteran Social Security advocate who is president of the group Social Security Works. “Indeed, the United States can fully afford an expanded Social Security.” The trustees note that the fiscal condition of Social Security disability has markedly improved in the last year. Its trust fund is now expected to last until 2032, a four-year improvement over last year’s projection of depletion in 2028. The trustees attribute that improvement to a steady decline in disability caseload and new applications dating back to 2010. That gives the lie to a recurrent Republican meme that disability is little more than a haven for layabouts and malingerers.

The trustees, meanwhile, give details on how congressional and White House initiatives have harmed Social Security. First, they mention that Trump’s rescission of Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, the program that allowed children brought to the United States illegally by their parents to stay and become productive members of society, will reduce the number of workers paying into the program. That will reduce payroll receipts slightly but significantly in the near term; because those people won’t be receiving benefits decades from now, the system costs will be lower, but the impact of Trump’s decision still will be negative.

The tax cuts enacted by Republicans and signed into law by Trump in December also will have a negative effect on Social Security in the near term, chiefly by reducing the program’s income from the taxation of benefits. “As a whole, the law has a significant net negative effect on the financial status of the OASDI program [that is, the retirement and disability components together] over the short-range projection period and a negligible net positive effect over the long-range projection period,” the trustees said.

GOP policies are projected to have a more significant effect on Medicare, according to its trustees report. A key factor is the elimination of the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate, which was effectively canceled as of 2019 ... when the tax cut bill reduced ...

The Republican-controlled Congress also eliminated the Independent Payment Advisory Board, which had been established by the Affordable Care Act “to develop and submit proposals aimed at extending the solvency of Medicare, slowing Medicare cost growth, and improving the quality of care delivered to Medicare beneficiaries.” The elimination leaves no mechanism in place to achieve those ends, the trustees reported. Finally, the tax cuts will also reduce income for Medicare, as they do for Social Security.

Social Security and Medicare have proved remarkably resilient in the face of decades of efforts by conservatives to undermine them. The reports issued Tuesday document that they’re still in reasonably good health — but that those attacks are beginning to have their effect. If Republicans really are committed to strengthening them for the future, as they claim, the time to stop attacking them is now.

http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-social-security-20180605-story.html

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #54)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:44 PM

203. Thanks again, Hortensis, especially for using the Los Angeles Times as a source. They are ...

...doing great work.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #203)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:52 PM

206. Our favorite and excellent hometown paper for over 25 years.

Imagine my shock when we moved to Georgia and the Atlanta Journal Constitution I'd subscribed to before we arrived was what we sat down to our first breakfast with. The greatest new understanding we got from it was of what a great paper we'd left behind, and how fond we were of it. My husband subscribes to the on-line version these days, can't be bothered with my NYT and WaPo.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:24 PM

26. Would you hate me if I established a Beyond Bernie party?


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Response to hunter (Reply #26)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:37 PM

60. How about a Beyond Bernie reading group, Hunter?

No one man can keep up on all the important issues, after all, and Senator Sanders is extremely busy.

We're not helpless. We can all read. We really shouldn't be waiting around for him to find time to bring us all up to date.

indeed!

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #60)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:11 AM

131. You are awesome, Hortensis.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:36 PM

30. Carlin was right

they want it all for themselves stealing from us to pay for the rich tax cuts, they have to find that money somewhere they are stealing it from us. Bastards, they can choke on it. Entitlements my a$$, we should be in the streets, they are cowards anyway they would probably barricade themselves.


That's backwards socialism wouldn't you say??

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:42 PM

32. K&R

thanks Bernie.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 07:55 PM

39. Once again, Bernie brings it... well done!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #39)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:28 PM

56. Yes, and well done, MSM! Your ongoing coverage of the attacks

on these programs is very appreciated by the way over 100 million voters who are very concerned. Here's yet another report, InA. There are too many to bring them all, of course, but I hope you'll be very reassured to know this is anything but an unreported issue.



Donald Trump and the Republicans Work Every Day to Destroy Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid: It’s time to set the record straight.

It’s time to set the record straight. Far from keeping his word, Trump and his administration have spent every day since taking power working to destroy Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Here are 10 of the Trump administration’s worst attacks on the American people’s Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid:

Trump nominated Congressman Mick Mulvaney to be the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) director. Mulvaney has a long history of working to destroy Social Security and Medicare. In 2011, he said, “We have to end Medicare as we know it.”

Every single Republican senator voted to confirm Mulvaney, while every Democrat voted against.
Trump nominated Tom Price to lead the Department of Health and Human Services, which oversees Medicare. Price has stated that “We will not rest until we make certain that government-run health care [e.g., Medicare] is ended” and decried “the federal government’s intrusion into medicine through Medicare.”

Every single Republican senator voted to confirm Price, while every Democrat present voted against. After less than a year on the job, Price was forced to resign in disgrace, and Trump replaced him with Alex Azar, a former pharmaceutical executive who tripled the price of insulin.
As soon as Trump took office, the Republican Party’s top priority was to take health care away from tens of millions of Americans. If “Trumpcare” had become law, it would have cut $880 billion from Medicaid, creating a disaster for seniors who rely on Medicaid for long-term care. It would also have created a Medicare time bomb by starving the program of essential funding.

Trump’s 2018 budget proposal sought cuts of $800 billion to Medicaid and Social Security Disability Insurance over 10 years. When OMB Director Mulvaney was asked if these cuts would lead to fewer people receiving their earned Social Security disability benefits, he replied, “I hope so.”

Republicans passed a massive tax giveaway to billionaires and corporations, which they are now using as an excuse to demand cuts to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

Nearly every House Republican voted for a so-called “Balanced Budget Amendment,” which would make it unconstitutional for Social Security to use its own $2.9 trillion trust fund to pay promised benefits. (Fortunately, the Amendment did not attain the two-thirds majority required for passage.)

The Trump administration floated a proposal to eliminate the payroll tax, which would have served as a Trojan horse to undermine Social Security.

Trump issued an executive order opening the door to the politicization of Administrative Law Judges, who are supposed to impartially resolve disputes between Social Security and Medicare beneficiaries and the people in government who run those programs.

The Trump administration announced plans to get rid of a rule that allowed nursing home residents and their families, in facilities that accept Medicare or Medicaid funding, the right to take those facilities to court for alleged neglect, abuse or sexual assault.

The Trump administration began allowing states to impose work requirements on Medicaid beneficiaries.

This article was produced by the Independent Media Institute.

https://www.commondreams.org/views/2018/09/11/donald-trump-and-republicans-work-every-day-destroy-social-security-medicare-and

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #56)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:43 PM

63. Thank you, Hortensis, for your compilation of the reportage

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Response to Hekate (Reply #63)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:53 PM

69. :) A tiny fraction of the pile, of course.



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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #39)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 06:12 AM

150. Yup he sure does!

 


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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:23 PM

55. "......for speaking the blatant truth when so many won't"? Huh?

I've heard similar from dozens of Democrats for several years.

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Response to George II (Reply #55)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:36 PM

59. It's right there in the 2016 Democratic platform

Protecting and Expanding Social Security

Democrats are proud to be the party that created Social Security, one of the nation’s most successful and effective programs. Without Social Security, nearly half of America’s seniors would be living in poverty. Social Security is more than just a retirement program. It also provides important life insurance to young survivors of deceased workers and provides disability insurance protection. We will fight every effort to cut, privatize, or weaken Social Security, including attempts to raise the retirement age, diminish benefits by cutting cost-of-living adjustments, or reducing earned benefits. Democrats will expand Social Security so that every American can retire with dignity and respect, including women who are widowed or took time out of the workforce to care for their children, aging parents, or ailing family members. The Democratic Party recognizes that the way Social Security cost-of- living adjustments are calculated may not always reflect the spending patterns of seniors, particularly the disproportionate amount they spend on health care expenses. We are committed to exploring alternatives that could better and more equitably serve seniors.

We will make sure Social Security’s guaranteed benefits continue for generations to come by asking those at the top to pay more, and will achieve this goal by taxing some of the income of people above $250,000. The Democratic Party is also committed to providing all necessary financial support for the Social Security Administration so that it can provide timely benefits and high-quality service for those it serves. Our plan contrasts starkly with Donald Trump. He has referred to Social Security as a “Ponzi scheme” and has called for privatizing it as well as increasing the retirement age.


https://www.democrats.org/party-platform#social-security

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #59)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:44 PM

64. I'm sure there's a similar plank in the 2012, 2008, and even earlier Party Platforms.

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Response to George II (Reply #64)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:46 PM

66. Indeed there are, and the 2016 plank explicitly calls out Trump. N/T

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #66)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:12 AM

160. +1000. Thanks for pointing this out, even if

wasted on those who, like Trump, refuse to know everything they don't want to, being as dishonest as required to maintain it. This OP dishonors Sanders' worthy actions by using them as cover for a denial delivery vehicle of everything the Democratic Party is doing to protect Social Security and Medicare.

We call Trump a liar, btw, and for sure he is, but Woodward's book, like the others, makes clear that no nonsense is too blatantly false for him to truly believe if he wants to. Back to Trump's response to the full-scale crisis of North Korea's first ICBM test...

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #59)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:40 PM

125. Great post 👍. Bernie should be sharing this history

and facts about Social Security. Trump is just one clown in the GOP show who has been lying about SS. That’s one of the things I loved about Al Gore’s SS “lockbox” campaign from almost 20 years ago now. He campaigned on protecting SS.

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Response to George II (Reply #55)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:42 PM

62. When you channel a single source nothing any one else says can be received

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:45 PM

65. My grandma drilled that into my head when I was a kid in the 60s

This is NOTHING new from real Democrats. We have always known the GOP was after this and what they are doing. Anyone who didn't have their head up their ass could see it since it started way back under FDR.




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Response to nini (Reply #65)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:02 PM

76. It's nice to hear the new deal ideals defended, isn't it?

why don't you post some of your favorite clips and quotes from all of the progressive politicians you like? I'd love to see them

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #76)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:16 PM

79. Talking point: Since the 70s, the Democratic Party abandoned New Deal ideas ...

and began shifting Right. Bernie reintroduced New Deal policies that were considered radical a few years ago: health care for all, a higher minimum wage, making public colleges and universities free, and demanding the wealthy pay their fair share of taxes. Thanks to Bernie these ideas are becoming mainstream, even though Democrats have to be dragged kicking and screaming to accept progressive ideas.

PEOPLE ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #79)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:53 AM

174. +1, the irony is that almost all of that was done twenty years

ago under Bill Clinton and Al Gore. Bill Clinton raised taxes on the rich and left with a surplus. Al Gore’s campaign was about protecting Social Security and with Clinton’s surplus, no telling what could have been done about infrastructure and green jobs for Gore’s global warming agenda. It was all right there for us. It was a trip watching someone completely ignore all those accomplishments.

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Response to R B Garr (Reply #174)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:53 AM

185. Indeed.

I don't understand it.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Reply #76)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:36 PM

87. Ha!

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 08:46 PM

67. OH PLEASE.. There are plenty of Democrats calling

trump out and many never said they "..would work with trump..", either.

I'm glad BS said that but don't be trying to give him sole credit.. it's Divisive.. and not true.

At least BS is not insulting the Democratic party this minute. Calling it "weak" "elite" "the party of the 1% and Not of working people..".

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:28 PM

83. DURec

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:37 PM

88. Thank you Senator Sanders for once again standing up for the people.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:37 PM

89. Awesome video. Sen. Sanders contests the lies well

Thanks for sharing this.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 09:42 PM

92. When so many Republicans won't speak out, you mean.

Everybody else is. Comedy shows are nothing but making fun of Trump's lies.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #92)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 12:26 PM

195. "Comedy shows are nothing but making fun of Trump's lies."

true but

how many other Senators are speaking up like Bernie?

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Response to garybeck (Reply #195)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 05:12 PM

210. Many. Of course you're implying they're just like Republicans. The usual.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 10:03 PM

94. K&R

Thank you Bernie for everything you do.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:01 PM

113. Thank you, Bernie!

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Tue Sep 11, 2018, 11:07 PM

119. So many won't? Republicans?

Cause this is all I have heard from all Democratic candidates.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:08 AM

159. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread garybeck.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:04 AM

163. This video should be viewed by every eligible voter in America.

It is a dramatic presentation of the difference between Trumps lies versus the clarity if Truth.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:07 AM

164. Um... This is from September 6

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:09 AM

167. John Yarmouth was saying this on June 19....

“The 2019 Republican budget scraps any sense of responsibility to the American people and any obligation to being honest,” said Rep. John Yarmuth of Kentucky, the top Budget Committee Democrat. “Its repeal of the Affordable Care Act and extreme cuts to health care, retirement security, anti-poverty programs, education, infrastructure, and other critical investments are real and will inflict serious harm on American families.”


https://www.heraldnet.com/business/republican-plan-would-slash-medicare-social-security/

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #167)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:35 AM

171. John Yarmuth and now Bernie, that's good, that's a lot.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #171)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:40 AM

172. I am responding to the statement in the OP that "so many won't"

When Democrats were speaking out on it right away.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #172)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 09:43 AM

173. That's my point two is now "many" so therefor the OP title must be incorrect.

I feel more comforted knowing this thanks to your post.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #173)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:13 AM

176. I've never seen a cougar. Therefore, cougars don't exist.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #173)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:14 AM

177. He says "so many won't" that's implies that many *refuse* to say that Trump is lying

about SS and Medicare which is a passive smear.

No, Sanders is not the only one, or even the first one of many who have called this particular lie out that "Democrats want to "destroy your Social Security" and are "going to ruin your Medicare" in the Montana speech.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/07/us/politics/fact-check-trump-medicare-social-security-.html

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/09/12/anatomy-trump-rally-percent-claims-are-false-misleading-or-lacking-evidence/?utm_term=.1edce019e13b

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/raucous-trump-rally-filled-with-familiar-attacks-false-statements

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/405809-trump-is-wrong-dems-are-fighting-to-save-medicare-and-social-security

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/sep/06/donald-trump/donald-trump-wrongly-says-social-security-and-medi/

Nor is Sanders the first or only one of many who have called out Paul Ryan's statements from December on "entitlement reform" or stated the things that Sanders is saying about the GOP tax cuts for the wealthy:

In the House, Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi has made it clear she doesn’t plan to help Republicans hunt for savings in those areas. Pelosi pushed back hard on the Republican fiscal argument of using the revenue lost to their massive tax cuts as an excuse to shrink the size of government.

“This is part of the ‘starve the beast’ value system that the Republicans have,” Pelosi said on Dec. 21. “They do not believe in governance, so any public role in the health and well-being of the American people is on their hit list.”


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-26/congress-s-divisions-between-parties-chambers-crimp-2018-agenda

Pelosi: GOP Tax Plan Is "Simply Theft," Unrepentant Greed Of "Permanent Plutocracy" Is A Moral Obscenity (From last December)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/12/19/pelosi_gop_tax_plan_is_simply_theft_their_unrepentant_greed_is_a_moral_obscenity.html

https://www.democraticleader.gov/newsroom/32818/



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2017/12/20/schumer_when_middle-class_see_their_taxes_go_up_theyll_know_republicans_are_to_blame.html

https://www.kaine.senate.gov/press-releases/kaine-statement-on-passage-of-republican-tax-bill

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #177)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 10:40 AM

180. +1

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:01 AM

186. A washed-out has-been desperately trying to stay relevant stating the obvious but with pizzaz!

Give it up.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 11:13 AM

188. Only BERNIE can see the truth!!!!

 

The Bernie fluffers crack me up sometimes.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #188)

Wed Sep 12, 2018, 04:49 PM

204. Heh

That's the "blatant truth," Adrahil.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #188)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 09:51 PM

215. Thank you for your post.

 

Your imaginative coinage "Bernie fluffers" has inspired me to implement a sig line, which I usually haven't bothered with.

I admire Bernie Sanders. I don't mind being called one of the "Bernie fluffers" by the Bernie bashers. At this point, they're just preaching to the choir.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #215)

Fri Sep 14, 2018, 10:47 PM

217. By all means. Fluff on.

 


But why didn't Bernie ever release his taxes like he promised to do? Should he release his taxes if he runs in 2020?

I think the man has behaved badly, and if I get called a basher for calling out what I see as his bad behavior, so be it.

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Response to Adrahil (Reply #217)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:45 AM

218. You have the luxury of calling out what you see as bad behavior.

 

If I were to ask "Why didn't Hillary _______? Should she _______?" the post would be removed. I speak from experience here.

And certainly any reference to "Hillary fluffers" would be gone in a flash, and rightly so.

As to specifics, my statement "I admire Bernie Sanders" is not the equivalent of "I consider Bernie Sanders to be perfect." I voted for him in the 2016 primary for the same reason that I voted for Hillary in the general election: There was no perfect candidate on the ballot (never has been), so I chose the fallible human being whom I thought best. I don't regret either vote.

Releasing tax returns is a plus but, given the external evidence of their personal histories and circumstances, Trump tax returns are clearly more important than Sanders tax returns or Clinton tax returns. Some of the anti-Semites among the Bernie-bashers apparently think that he's getting bribe money from the Israeli government or Jewish business interests. No sensible person believes that, however, and even if he is being paid off, he probably didn't report the bribes on his tax returns. My guess is that, if he runs in 2020, he'll release his tax returns. Nevertheless, it's not a deal-breaker for me. I voted for Clinton despite her opposition to single-payer health care, which was a much better candidate for being a deal-breaker.

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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #218)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 11:00 AM

220. ...




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Response to Jim Lane (Reply #218)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 12:06 PM

221. Do you have any links to people saying Bernie is getting

bribe money??

Has the idea of transparency changed for select politicians so that those accusing others of corruption are exempt from being transparent themselves?

Is Bernie against universal health care?? Your distortion about Clinton indicates you are willing to embrace polarizing falsehoods, so obviously these extremes indicate politicians can only be for or against ideations with no supporting context required.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Thu Sep 13, 2018, 09:47 AM

214. Despicable pathetic lies

 

I saw/heard this from Trump while watching a "plaid shirt guy" clip and have been wondering why there wasn't a big response to these lies (maybe I just missed it).

So it's great (!!) to hear a vigorous response to these horrible and damaging lies.

It is disappointing that the thread became a Bernie vs whatever thing. Divided==Conquered. The point is what Trump is doing and don't be surprised when you run into people who believe this stuff. Some people are actually going to vote for republicans because they believe they will protect social security and medicare. That's what's happening out there.

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Response to garybeck (Original post)

Sat Sep 15, 2018, 10:52 AM

219. K&R

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