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Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:46 AM

Here's what each and every Trump voter has in common:

Racism!

Disagree? Let's hear why.

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Reply Here's what each and every Trump voter has in common: (Original post)
Cyrano Sep 2018 OP
lunamagica Sep 2018 #1
erlewyne Sep 2018 #50
MousePlayingDaffodil Sep 2018 #2
Sneederbunk Sep 2018 #7
eleny Sep 2018 #22
Cosmocat Sep 2018 #56
BamaRefugee Sep 2018 #54
Cosmocat Sep 2018 #58
Blue_true Sep 2018 #63
stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #8
mercuryblues Sep 2018 #89
Stargleamer Sep 2018 #21
ismnotwasm Sep 2018 #23
brer cat Sep 2018 #45
rusty fender Sep 2018 #31
dchill Sep 2018 #33
Texin Sep 2018 #43
Butterflylady Sep 2018 #49
JI7 Sep 2018 #38
marylandblue Sep 2018 #42
Blue_true Sep 2018 #62
Charlotte Little Sep 2018 #67
alittlelark Sep 2018 #70
uponit7771 Sep 2018 #71
atreides1 Sep 2018 #80
Squinch Sep 2018 #82
NRaleighLiberal Sep 2018 #3
jcgoldie Sep 2018 #4
Squinch Sep 2018 #5
Stargleamer Sep 2018 #6
jcgoldie Sep 2018 #11
stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #12
Freddie Sep 2018 #78
stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #9
Chemisse Sep 2018 #10
jcgoldie Sep 2018 #14
KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #20
snowybirdie Sep 2018 #13
stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #16
snowybirdie Sep 2018 #30
KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #18
snowybirdie Sep 2018 #55
KentuckyWoman Sep 2018 #68
Runningdawg Sep 2018 #29
Butterflylady Sep 2018 #51
louis c Sep 2018 #52
snowybirdie Sep 2018 #57
louis c Sep 2018 #66
RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #86
stonecutter357 Sep 2018 #15
Garrett78 Sep 2018 #17
peggysue2 Sep 2018 #19
bronxiteforever Sep 2018 #24
CatMor Sep 2018 #25
world wide wally Sep 2018 #26
handmade34 Sep 2018 #27
smirkymonkey Sep 2018 #60
BlueJac Sep 2018 #28
Funtatlaguy Sep 2018 #32
sweetroxie Sep 2018 #90
Afromania Sep 2018 #34
C_U_L8R Sep 2018 #35
ooky Sep 2018 #36
GoCubsGo Sep 2018 #37
wasupaloopa Sep 2018 #39
brooklynite Sep 2018 #40
moondust Sep 2018 #41
louis c Sep 2018 #44
mountain grammy Sep 2018 #48
MarcA Sep 2018 #46
GeorgeGist Sep 2018 #47
Heartstrings Sep 2018 #53
Power 2 the People Sep 2018 #59
grumpyduck Sep 2018 #61
3catwoman3 Sep 2018 #64
uponit7771 Sep 2018 #73
GusBob Sep 2018 #65
kelly1mm Sep 2018 #69
uponit7771 Sep 2018 #72
Captain Stern Sep 2018 #74
SkyDancer Sep 2018 #75
Freddie Sep 2018 #79
VOX Sep 2018 #84
SkyDancer Sep 2018 #87
WestIndianArchie Sep 2018 #76
TEB Sep 2018 #77
RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #81
VOX Sep 2018 #83
Mike Nelson Sep 2018 #85
samnsara Sep 2018 #88
nadine_mn Sep 2018 #91
Name removed Sep 2018 #92
Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #93
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Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2018 #95
Hotler Sep 2018 #96
better Sep 2018 #97
CousinIT Sep 2018 #98

Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:49 AM

1. K&R. I completely agree. They were all well aware of his extreme racism and how it woud harm

minorities if he became POTUS, yet they voted for him.

No excuse for that.

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Response to lunamagica (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:10 PM

50. They are proud of it.

It has something to do with the RED party.

EW

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:54 AM

2. I'm afraid I have to disagree . . .

Why? Because I know some Trump voters, and they are not personally racists nor would they knowingly condone racism. You said "each and every," but my own experience says otherwise.

I'm sorry, but I don't think that things are as black and white in this regard as many apparently believe. And making strawmen out of our political opponents is unsound, simply as a strategic matter.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:59 AM

7. The common denominator is anger. At what I don't know.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:18 PM

22. I believe anger follows fear

Last edited Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:41 PM - Edit history (1)

And fear of non white people stands tall in Trump world.

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Response to eleny (Reply #22)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:45 PM

56. This

Primarily

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:21 PM

54. I gotta agree, just undefined anger running through their veins

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:47 PM

58. Anger is a secondary emotion

There's normally something that comes before anger, fear, disappointment, frustration. Anger is how we try to regain control.

They most certainly are angry, but it's more basic aspects of their safety that make them vulnerable to the b*******.

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Response to Sneederbunk (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:26 PM

63. Anger that they and their kids are not getting ahead.

They see immigrants as the cause of their setbacks. Yet, they ignore the real cause of their and their children's' downward mobility, automation and failure by owners that benefit from automation to share their wealth.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:00 PM

8. if vote for a racists you are a racists !

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #8)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:06 AM

89. thank you

If a person voted for trump, they knowingly condone racism. It is not as if it was hidden, it was his whole freaking platform/campaign. His public life is steeped in racism from the beginning. His sexual assaults were also well documented during the campaign. His voters are also okay with that.


They knew and condoned it all.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:16 PM

21. they may or may not be personally racist. . .

but they did condone racism (or were at least indifferent to it), as Trump's behavior during the 2016 campaign was quite racist, and they knew it.

I do agree that making "strawmen out of our political opponents" is unsound.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:18 PM

23. Racism is not a continuum

Trump voters are all complicit in promoting racism and racist ideology even if they are the tithing -for-poor-church going faithful who would never even consider using the “n” word. Even if all their grandchildren are Latino. Even if they themselves are of color He ran on racist imagery they voted for him anyway.

Just as women voted for Trump, are complicit in misogyny. Even if they are powerful CEOs, or influential politicians who reaped all the benefits of feminism. Trump did not hide what he was. They voted for him anyway.

Any, ANY white person who voted for Trump a is racist. They don’t get to hide behind pleasant words and shoddy rationalization. They own this. They own him.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #23)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:59 PM

45. +++

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:45 PM

31. Have you forgotten that Trumpass's

meteoric rise in politics began as he promoted birtherism? His bonafides, as far as his supporters were concerned, for running as a Repuke presidential candidate came from the racist attacks on Obama.

Anyone who had two brain cells to rub together knew what Trump represented from the beginning.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:54 PM

33. One IS the thing one condones.

There's no credit. None is due.

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Response to dchill (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:47 PM

43. Exactly. If one condones it in others it is the same as participating in it onself.

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Response to dchill (Reply #33)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:09 PM

49. I have to remember that.

Great way to put it.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:08 PM

38. if they supported him they are ok with racism.

 

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:41 PM

42. I agree with you, but it seems to be a minority position

The people I know who voted for Trump are not consciously racists. They don't hate people because of race, believe in white supremacy or use racial slurs. Rather, they do not recognize institutional racism and implicit bias. Just because those of us who are "woke" recognize the racial stereotypes in Trump's language and the dangers it presents doesn't mean they can see it.

How can they not know? Well, they don't know a lot of other things too. Not necessarily stupid, but the horizons of their mind don't extend much beyond work, friends, family and sometimes, church. If it's not within their personal orbit, they have a hard time getting it.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:22 PM

62. I know a number of them who definitely are not racists.

Not close. They do confuse jingoism with patriotism and that have unsound concepts about how government operates, even ones that interface with government workers almost daily.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 05:13 PM

67. If they still support him now...

...they knowingly condone racism. Therefore, they are racists.

However, if they voted for him but regret it and now condemn his words and actions, they may not be.

But anyone supporting that piece of human excrement at present is definitely a racist.

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 10:36 PM

70. You have been here since 2003 - w/658 posts?!?

Wow - u r good at watching !! I just can’t help myself but to respond - u must have a great deal of personal restraint!! 🙃

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:53 AM

71. Then why would they support a world known racist like Trump

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:01 AM

80. I have a

You say that these Trump voters you know would not "knowingly" condone racism...history has shown that not every German was an anti-semite!

Have you had a recent conversation as to why they continue to support a man who uses racism as a clarion call for his supporters...his attacks on people of color are not hidden...his rallies are the a call for action against his perceived enemies!!!

Maybe these people are cowards that hide in the shadows, preferring to remain unseen, that way when their man finally loses they can be like Peter and deny that they supported Trump at all!!!

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Response to MousePlayingDaffodil (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:07 AM

82. Right. They listened to him saying things like "all those Mexicans

are rapists and criminals," and then they said, "Yeah, he'll make a great President!" but they're not racist.

Uh... bullshit.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:55 AM

3. my term - deplorable - and reasons vary.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:57 AM

4. Survey says!

100! *dingding*

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:57 AM

5. AND sexism!

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 11:57 AM

6. Not sure if this is correct

as I know some who would vote for someone they know to be racist, as long as that person is against abortion, which they view as worse than racism.

Also, some very rich people vote Republican, not out of racial animosity, but because of their greed for a tax windfall.

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Response to Stargleamer (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:01 PM

11. If you knowingly choose a racist to run the country...

That makes you a racist even if you did it due to religious zealotry or economic greed.

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Response to Stargleamer (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:03 PM

12. sounds like good germans !

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Response to Stargleamer (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 06:54 AM

78. Yes I know people like that

Abortion is the ONLY issue. They would vote for the second coming of Hitler if he said he was “pro-life”. Terrifying to see people so utterly brainwashed.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:00 PM

9. K&R

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:00 PM

10. I would disagree slightly.

I think there were swing voters who went for Trump because they didn't like Clinton; a few were even Dems! You may argue that the fact that they ignored Trump's racism meant that they are racists, but I suspect they were just indifferent to it. We all have our priorities of issues and people often put things low on the list if they don't affect them directly (political selfishness).

But these voters know they made a very big mistake. They may not be announcing it to the world (they are likely embarrassed and ashamed of what they did on that 2016 election day), but they are showing up in the polls.

However, I DO agree that every single person who is STILL a Trump supporter after all the sick, racist actions he has gleefully taken and all the POCs that he has hurt or would like to hurt, IS absolutely a racist.

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:05 PM

14. Wonder why those "Dems" you are describing would choose a racist over Clinton

...something else about her maybe or something missing... hmmmm...

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Response to Chemisse (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:15 PM

20. NO - non Racists who didn't want to vote for Hillary voted 3rd party or not at all.

A vote for Trump was a vote for Racism. Period.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:04 PM

13. Sorry to disagree

One of my children is a die-hard rtumpster. Also became a dedicated evangelical. Racism wasn't taught in our home, as his siblings will attest.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:07 PM

16. Do your children know trump is racist ?

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Response to stonecutter357 (Reply #16)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:41 PM

30. Absolutely, yes!

And they all want him gone!

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:11 PM

18. Look again.

If your child is a Trumpster it's obvious there are other forces shaping your children than what went on in your home.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #18)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:45 PM

55. Since my son

is 50 years old and hasn't had connections with his birth family for over 15 years, I do believe your comments are not valid. His wife and his church are at fault.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #55)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 08:47 PM

68. Look again.

If he voted Trump he's racist. His wife and his Church may have been the influence.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:40 PM

29. This person hit it

Evagelicals
They don't consider themselves racists because they are doing what Jesus wants them to do.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #29)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:12 PM

51. Yes

Evangelical says it all. Need go no further.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:15 PM

52. So your kid learned his racism on the street?

 

I have a lot of relatives (I have 100 cousins) who don't think they're racists, but support Trump.

I got news for you. They're all racists and so's your kid.

Unless your kid has a net worth of $1 million dollars, which means a case can be made that he's for Trump because of greed, then he's a racist. I have friends that remain my friends that support Trump, but I let them know I think they're racists. Being a racist is not a self-description, it's what others think you are.

"I supported Hitler, but that doesn't make me a Nazi" doesn't work with me.

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Response to louis c (Reply #52)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:46 PM

57. See my previous post

The kid is 50! Please don't judge

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #57)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:49 PM

66. Hey, my best friend is a 70 year old racist who supported Trump

 

and he's still my best friend. When he voted for Trump he admitted to me he was a racist and a misogynist. He said that no women should be President. He rents apartments and takes phone messages. If he doesn't like the accent of the person on the phone, he doesn't call them back.

I never knew any of this until Trump ran against Hillary. He doesn't use the "N" word or other derogatory comments about minorities in my presence. He was the best man at my wedding 15 years ago and I married a Filipina. He's been my best friend for 40 years, he's 70 and will never change. But, I make no mistake about it, he's a racist.

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Response to snowybirdie (Reply #13)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:24 AM

86. I've never met a republicon that wasn't a racist. nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:06 PM

15. K&R

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:11 PM

17. They knowingly voted for a blatant racist (and criminal--he openly admitted to sexual assault).

The vast majority, if not every single one, are certainly in denial about the existence of and profound impact of systemic racism. Even in the early 1960s, an overwhelming majority of white Americans believed Black Americans had equal opportunity and that racism was not a major concern.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:13 PM

19. Oh, come on!

We're kidding ourselves if we deny racism wasn't the undercurrent to the Trumpster's message and remains his message: black, brown and everything in-between, anything that's not white Christian male is on his major hit list. The Christian part is just window-dressing for the Trumpster; he doesn't believe in anything but himself. The white male part is the nitty-gritty. And people who support him? They're signing onto that mindset.

It's ugly and it's blatant. No excuses.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:21 PM

24. The English language fails to describe them.

1. The moment Cheeto made fun of the disabled reporter, everyone knew who he was even if they lived in a cave.
2. “Blood coming out of her” remark showed his ancient primitive disgust for women as equals.
3. His embrace of the new Nazis movement.
4. His paper towel mocking performance amidst the ruin of Puerto Rico.
5. His intentional destruction of families at the border and the torture of children.
6. The mocking of the Khan family
7. His low IQ remarks aimed at African Americans
Etc,etc. The measure of this man is clear.

Given just this smattering of his beliefs, if a person is still a follower, racist certainly applies. Fascist applies yet words fail. Deplorable is too soft and I admit so is bully. We have gone beyond words.
Maybe contemptible works but surely evil they are.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:23 PM

25. I agree, even when they claim some other reason ...

racism is what motivates them to vote trump.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:23 PM

26. I won't say that they are necessarily a racist if they voted for him, but...

They most certainly are if they still support him.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:24 PM

27. zero sum game mentality

fear
irrational sense of entitlement (relative deprivation)
racism
anger
inability to understand human nature
authoritarian tendencies
self interest
inability to understand "we are all in this together"
etc....

...bits of many of these traits in #notmypresident supporters



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Response to handmade34 (Reply #27)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:55 PM

60. I agree. It is multi-faceted. I don't think every Trump supported is necessarily

an overt racist, but it's not something that particularly bothers them either. I think there is a lot of anger in the surrounding the issues you have listed above. From the Trumpers I know, it's more about a hatred of Liberals and Liberal values. Their attitudes are very authoritarian and controlling. Most of them have never (to my knowledge) said anything negative about minorities, but they lump "Liberals" into this monolith that is out to destroy everything they hold dear. Most of what they believe is just ignorance and a lot of them are hopped up on Fox news.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:30 PM

28. k&R

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:49 PM

32. Or greed.

I have some family members who are very wealthy that only care about lower taxes.
They always vote Republican.
I don’t consider them racists.

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Response to Funtatlaguy (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:14 AM

90. Their greed for lower taxes is, for some,

a reflection of their hatred of the "FreeStuffArmy"FHA)- all those people who expect handouts. They don't want THEIR money to be "redistributed" to "ne'rdowells" in the FHA.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:54 PM

34. pretty much

There is no reason to support a man like this who pushes ideas like this. If you are so fucking greedy you supported him then you are a piece of shit. If you are so up a tree about abortion rights that the rights of other living folks mean little then you are a piece of shit. If you voted for him despite his character staring you in the face then you are a piece of shit.

I personally don't give a rats ass why any of them voted for him any more and I wish that shit would stop. No where do I ever hear they are out there actively working to fix this shit. Just reports they are dis interested in voting. They aren't interested in admitting their failure and they are willing to let it continue happening by doing jack shit or doubling down for the most part.

Like so many in this country i'm sick and tired of being being sick and tired of the daily dose of this insanity happening without fail EVERY. SINGLE. DAY. I'm just as sick and tired of people trying to explain why the people that voted us here aren't really racist or misogynistic, xenophobic or what ever else. There is no reason to have supported him and no reason AT ALL to continue to support him. If they want a thing to call these people that isn't label specific ,i.e. racist or whatever then let's just go with hateful ass pieces of shit.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:54 PM

35. insecurity --- entitlement

that drives fear and hate (in all its forms)

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 12:55 PM

36. I think his hardest core supporters are racist, but

I also think there are also some others who are single issue voters that won't vote for a democrat because of their own personal issues, and are willing to excuse any behavior to protect for their own issue. I know someone, for example, who is a gun humper, but I've never seen any racist tendency in him. I've known him for over 25 years, we played basketball together for most of that time (until my body finally gave out), we have many friends of multiple races, and I've never heard him say an unkind word about anybody. But he is a hunting enthusiast, and just loves his guns so much and is so scared that dems will send boogeymen to his home to take away his guns. So, as best as I can tell, everytime he votes he votes for his guns.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:07 PM

37. No, I believe it's actually fear borne of ignorance, in general.

Sure, most of them are racists. I don't think they all are. (The non-racists ARE okay with others being racist, however.) I think it's just a general fear of people things that don't exist within their little bubbles. Most of them hate liberals, too, and that's not a race thing. Neither is the hatred most of them have toward non-Christians. Loads of anti-Semites among them, and most Jewish folks are white. They lack the curiosity and unwillingness to learn about people who are different. That sort of thing leads to fear of "the other", as well as fear of change. That's why people like that love authoritarians so much. They need a daddy to protect them from all those scary, scary things out there, and to tell them what to think.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:11 PM

39. I don't know if it is racism but I think there

 

is fear that non whites will do to whites as whites have done to non whites.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:12 PM

40. Absolutely disagree.

There's a share (10-15%) of Trump voters who actually voted for Obama. They voted for Trump as a protest against Government not dealing with their economic issues.

This OP is a DANGEROUS assertion. It's very easy to demonize voters for the other side, but it doesn't help win them back.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:33 PM

41. Racism or tolerance of racism.

Some are probably not overt racists themselves but were nevertheless willing to vote for a racist and tolerate the racism that would inevitably follow.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 01:51 PM

44. Here's my take on your post

 

Not every Trump voter is a racist. However, every racist is a Trump voter.

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Response to louis c (Reply #44)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:08 PM

48. Exactly!

I've often thought, if I was a multi millionaire, I might like trump.. but good to see there are more than a few who don't and I can't imagine being either rich or a trumper. But I do believe greed was a factor, like racism, which is the biggest.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:04 PM

46. drumph strikes a chord of what are you going to do for me and mine

and don't care what you do about them and theirs. No place for
those who think we are all in this together. Also, a large amount of
knee jerk racism and misogyny is nurtured and hatred grows even
if there wasn't that much in the beginning.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:04 PM

47. Bigotry binds them.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:20 PM

53. I agree....

He is allowed to say, or inflect, what these mostly white, angry people are unable to. It gives them credence to hear their proclaimed one spewing their hate for them.....

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 02:51 PM

59. Agree Cyrano

The saying is true. Not all Republicans are racists but all racists are Republican.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:07 PM

61. I don't believe racism is really the answer to the OP

I believe racism is a symptom of something else, something deeper. Someone above suggested anger and I think that's a possibility, but I think even anger is a symptom.

From what I see in the MSM, and from talking with a few DJT supporters (and from what Fox says), what I see them having in common is more like stubbornness. They seem to insist on getting their news and commentary from very specific sources and going only with what those sources say -- not wanting to even consider that there may be other viewpoints. From what I've seen, it appears that a lot of them have "dug in" and want to stay there regardless of anything. To quote a line from the movie The Sixth Sense: they only see what they want to see.

I've known, and worked with, a number of people over the years who are the same way: they believe something, or do something, or not do something, and then dig in forever, refusing to even consider the idea that they may have made a bad choice, or a mistake, or done something that hurt somebody. At the last job I had, most of the higher-ups appeared to be deathly afraid of being perceived as making mistakes, so they insisted on defending them even when it was obvious there was a mistake. It's like they didn't want to lose face. After some digging, I discovered that the company culture, developed over the years by very authoritarian heads, made it nearly "suicidal" for managers to admit a mistake. It was a culture of fear.

So I have to wonder if what a lot of them have in common is really a deep-rooted fear of something. And when I see what top Congressional Republicans are doing or not doing, that's what I think I see.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 03:45 PM

64. Quietly enabling racism isn't much different than actively...

...espousing it, IMO.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #64)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:59 AM

73. +1, I'm wondering how this became a question here

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 04:04 PM

65. Are all assholes racist or are all racists assholes?

Tough call

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Sun Sep 2, 2018, 09:19 PM

69. Disagree. Absolutist statements (all, always, none, never) are almost always incorrect. Nt

Nt.

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Response to kelly1mm (Reply #69)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 02:58 AM

72. How is condoning racism any different?

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 06:21 AM

74. I disagree.

The only thing that I've found that 'each and every' trump voter has in common is that they voted for trump, and maybe that they are morons.

Not all trump voters are racists, but I think it's fair to say that most racists are trump voters.

Some of his voters just voted for him because Clinton is a woman. They didn't have a problem voting for Obama.

Some of his voters are so uninformed that they thought trump was actually a serious candidate that would 'drain the swamp' or other such nonsense.

Some of his voters would have voted for anyone that had an 'R' next to their name, regardless of who it was.

It's a mixed bag of nuts.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 06:24 AM

75. Disagree. I give you this as an example---

 

Abortion.

That is the one thing they are ALL united against.

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #75)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 06:59 AM

79. Abortion and misogyny

Which tend to go together. Or to quote one of DH’s co-workers, “I don’t want that c*nt in the WH.”

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Response to SkyDancer (Reply #75)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:14 AM

84. There is a historical confluence of anti-abortion activism and white supremacy.

Why are all those white MEN so vocal about taking away a woman's right to control her own body?
They fear that other races are gaining in numbers. The first known murder of an abortion provider was committed by a former Klansman. Both are movements dedicated to preserving a white patriarchal order.

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Response to VOX (Reply #84)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:46 AM

87. Many white women are pro-life

 

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 06:32 AM

76. I agree

Trump voters and supporters are unreconstructed, degenerate racist/white supremacists

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 06:38 AM

77. Racism and ignorance

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:07 AM

81. I've never met a republicon that wasn't a racist. nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:07 AM

83. ABSOLUTELY. Trump is the Grand Wizard of Birtherism.

More than seven years ago, Trump "introduced" himself onto the political scene with his sleazy, ugly birtherism LIES. He is still obsessed with Obama, and that obsession is rooted in pure, unadulterated racism.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/17/us/politics/donald-trump-obama-birther.html?rref=collection%2Ftimestopic%2FBirther%20Movement&action=click&contentCollection=timestopics®ion=stream&module=stream_unit&version=latest&contentPlacement=18&pgtype=collection
Donald Trump Clung to ‘Birther’ Lie for Years, and Still Isn’t Apologetic
New York Times, 9/16/2016

It was not true in 2011, when Donald J. Trump mischievously began to question President Obama’s birthplace aloud in television interviews. “I’m starting to think that he was not born here,” he said at the time.

It was not true in 2012, when he took to Twitter to declare that “an ‘extremely credible source’” had called his office to inform him that Mr. Obama’s birth certificate was “a fraud.”

It was not true in 2014, when Mr. Trump invited hackers to “please hack Obama’s college records (destroyed?) and check ‘place of birth.’”

It was never true, any of it. Mr. Obama’s citizenship was never in question. No credible evidence ever suggested otherwise.

Yet it took Mr. Trump five years of dodging, winking and joking to surrender to reality, finally, on Friday, after a remarkable campaign of relentless deception that tried to undermine the legitimacy of the nation’s first black president.

In fact, it took Mr. Trump much longer than that: Mr. Obama released his short-form birth certificate from the Hawaii Department of Health in 2008. Most of the world moved on.

But not Mr. Trump.

He nurtured the conspiracy like a poisonous flower, watering and feeding it with an ardor that still baffles and embarrasses many around him.

Mr. Trump called up like-minded sowers of the same corrosive rumor, asking them for advice on how to take a falsehood and make it mainstream in 2011, as he weighed his own run for the White House.

“What can we do to get to the bottom of this?” Mr. Trump asked Joseph Farah, an author who has long labored on the fringes of political life. “What can we do to turn the tide?”

What he could do — and what he did do — was talk about it, uninhibitedly, on social media, where dark rumors flourish in 140-character bursts and, inevitably, find a home with those who have no need for facts and whose suspicions can never be allayed.

And he mused about it on television, where bright lights and sparse editing ensure that millions can hear falsehoods unchallenged by fact-checking.

“Why doesn’t he show his birth certificate?” Mr. Trump asked on ABC’s “The View.” “I want to see his birth certificate,” he told Fox News’s “On the Record.”

And so it went.

The essential question — Why promote a lie? — may be unanswerable. Was it sport? Was it his lifelong quest to court media attention? Was it racism? Was it the cynical start of his eventual campaign for president?

It might not matter. He kept doing it, even as his most senior aides assured the public that he had long since abandoned the fallacy.

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He had not. He was disingenuous until the very end, telling a Washington Post reporter just 72 hours before that he was unready to concede the president’s place of birth. But he treated the weighty topic, as he does so much else, like a television cliffhanger, promising a major declaration on Friday.

And then, around 11 a.m. Friday in Washington, he gave up the lie. But he conjured up a bizarre new deception, congratulating himself for putting to rest the doubts about Mr. Obama that he had fanned since 2011. “I finished it,’’ he declared, unapologetically. “President Obama was born in the United States — period.’’

Surrounded by, and in many ways shielded by, decorated veterans in his new Washington hotel, he could not resist indulging in another falsehood — that his opponent, Hillary Clinton, had started the so-called birther movement. She did not.

Much has been made of Mr. Trump’s casual elasticity with the truth; he has exhausted an army of fact-checkers with his mischaracterizations, exaggerations and fabrications. But this lie was different from the start, an insidious, calculated calumny that sought to undo the embrace of an African-American president by the 69 million voters who elected him in 2008.

In the end, it seemed, Mr. Trump’s plot to diminish Mr. Obama did not succeed. On Friday, the president of the United States seemed much bigger.

“I was pretty confident about where I was born,” Mr. Obama said from the White House, a wry smile crossing his face. “I think most people were as well.’’

And the president had this to say about the myth heedlessly spread by the man seeking to replace him: “My hope would be that the presidential election reflects more serious issues than that.”

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 07:16 AM

85. There is a minority...

… of the minority of Trump voters who voted to "shake up the system." I have a black friend from childhood who voted for Trump. He does not think skin color means one is superior... I think he's just unhappy with his life and the "system".

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 08:06 AM

88. i wonder how many were Apprentice fans? Im still not convinced there wasnt subliminal messaging

...during the program..

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 09:11 AM

91. I say it's "entitlement"

Now could be because they are white and fear the "others" are taking things away from them

Could be because they are male and fear women having any control of their bodies or having equality

Could be because they are rich and fear the lower class will take away from their wealth

But it all feels like the trump voter feels "entitled" and think that they are somehow having something taken from them

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Response to Name removed (Reply #92)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 10:05 AM

93. You haven't pointed to credible evidence of your outlandish claims. I don't think you can. Try. . nt

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Response to Name removed (Reply #94)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 10:16 AM

95. No. Your ridiculous statistical claims about AA, Hispanics, and women.


Your post is chock full of RW talking points and terminology.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 10:47 AM

96. and selfishness. nt

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 11:11 AM

97. I for one think we need to carefully avoid this kind of talk.

Now before you hit reply and start flaming, please hear me out.

First of all, it is worth noting that our opposition party has completely forsaken critical thinking and honest intellectual observation in favor of "everyone who's not with us is evil" thinking, and we do ourselves no favors by joining them in taking up this kind of rhetoric, or by ignoring or refuting evidence to the contrary.

Secondly, there is a huge difference between being racist or condoning racism and failing to recognize it for what it is.

I, too, personally know more than a few people who voted for Trump, whom I know beyond any doubt not to be racist or to condone racism. Unfortunately, they also pay inadequate attention to politics and/or pay attention to fake coverage, without realizing that it is fake.

One of the most insidious aspects of racism is that those who want to enact policies rooted in racism do not need to sway people to share in their racist ideology. They only need to sway people to support their policies. And there are two types of people who support such policies. Those who support them because they are racist, and those who support them for some other reason. Hillary made this distinction herself in the "deplorables" speech.

There is definitely something to be said for calling out actual knowing racism wherever it is spotted, but we ultimately undermine our own objectives when we label someone racist solely on the basis of what policies or politicians they support. The policies and politicians one supports can be informative, for sure, but it matters a great deal more why they support them.

Someone supporting racist policies out of ignorance or misinformation of course does not excuse their support of those policies, or absolve them of their responsibility for their impact. But it does mean that it may well be possible to bring them to the light, by enlightening them, much more so than if they supported those policies because they actually are personally racist.

We face two kinds of opposition in this fight. Opponents who want to be on the wrong side, and opponents who simply do not realize that they are. Personally, I think we would be wise to remember that the latter of those two are redeemable, and we could really use their support.

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Response to Cyrano (Original post)

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 11:11 AM

98. And / or sexism n/t

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