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Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:20 AM

Does Louis CK deserve another chance?

He appeared at New York comedy club on Sunday night and reportedly received a rousing ovation from the audience as he performed his routine. No jokes about the #MeToo movement, which he became a target of for pleasuring himself while forcing various female co-workers to watch him in his dressing room. He has admitted the stories are true and has apologized for them.

Does Louis CK deserve a chance to keep making a living as a comedian/actor if there's a public appetite for his comedy despite his sexual misconduct?

https://pitchfork.com/news/louis-ck-performs-first-stand-up-set-since-misconduct-scandal/

https://www.cnn.com/2017/11/10/entertainment/louis-ck-apology/index.html

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Reply Does Louis CK deserve another chance? (Original post)
True Dough Aug 28 OP
Cirque du So-What Aug 28 #1
EffieBlack Aug 28 #2
kysrsoze Aug 28 #3
digonswine Aug 28 #18
ismnotwasm Aug 28 #4
Adrahil Aug 28 #5
NCTraveler Aug 28 #6
BeyondGeography Aug 28 #7
JI7 Aug 28 #8
MuseRider Aug 28 #9
True Dough Aug 28 #10
MuseRider Aug 28 #15
digonswine Aug 28 #24
True Dough Aug 28 #11
chicanachick Aug 28 #12
mythology Aug 28 #13
chicanachick Aug 28 #14
MuseRider Aug 28 #16
chicanachick Aug 28 #17
digonswine Aug 28 #21
WhiskeyGrinder Aug 28 #19
True Dough Aug 28 #22
EffieBlack Aug 28 #23
chicanachick Aug 29 #34
WhiskeyGrinder Aug 28 #20
Scurrilous Aug 28 #25
NobodyInParticular Aug 28 #26
chicanachick Aug 29 #35
Iggo Aug 28 #27
gldstwmn Aug 28 #28
Raine Aug 29 #29
OnDoutside Aug 29 #30
True Dough Aug 29 #32
JI7 Aug 29 #33
betsuni Aug 29 #31

Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:22 AM

1. ...

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:22 AM

2. I think he does

Every bit of bad behavior should not warrant a career death sentence.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:24 AM

3. Unlike many, he immediately admitted to, and apologized for his actions

I have to give him credit for that.

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Response to kysrsoze (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:04 PM

18. He absolutely did not admit to wrongdoing right away-

Give him no credit for that. Look into it further, please.

I do not know that he should be forever shunned, but he weaseled plenty long and only fessed up when there was no other choice. What h e did was straight-up assault and abuse of power. Sick and shitty. Let's not give him a pass simply because he knows his demographic.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:26 AM

4. Sure

If he can go forward without being a creepy asshole, and has the audience why not?

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:29 AM

5. Yes...

He didn't try to weasel out of it. He admitted his failings and said he would do better. I believe him.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:29 AM

6. I think you answered your own question from within your question.

 

Does Louis CK deserve a chance to keep making a living as a comedian/actor if there's a public appetite for his comedy despite his sexual misconduct?

Yes, if there is public appetite for his comedy.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:29 AM

7. Of course

He apologized, his offenses were more gross than criminal and what else is he supposed to do with the rest of his life?

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:30 AM

8. yes

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:46 AM

9. I always found him

very funny and almost endearing. This just killed me to know he did those things. I will have a hard time forgiving him but he did seem to be very sorry for it. Still, he knew it was wrong and thought he could get away with it. That just stinks.

I will see how I evolve on this. I think he meant his apology so let's see how it goes I guess. For me I just don't know. I cannot speak for anyone else.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #9)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:52 AM

10. I appreciate your conflicted feelings on this

MuseRider. It's not a straightforward situation, although it would be easier to accept if Louis CK remains steadfast in his remorse rather than turning it into a source of new material. There is a belief among many comedians that nothing is off limits but if Louis CK jokes about what he did to women, it would make his apology sound insincere.

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Response to True Dough (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:55 PM

15. Absolutely.

I think (hope) he knows better than that. I think (hope) he IS better than that.

There was always something about the way he poked at other people running through his own self disgust or sense of not being worthy? I dunno, I will remain conflicted until he proves himself and that will take a while, it should take a while.

My entire family loved the guy.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #15)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:15 PM

24. This is a typical defense for people like this-

"I am unworthy and self-loathing-this is why I did these things." It's typical playing-the-victim and is disgusting and disingenuous.
Again-I don't know if he is unredeemable, but this is a big deal and his response is textbook abuser shit.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:55 AM

11. Glad to see there are many open-minded and forgiving people here

You may or may not read some of the drivel on forums with right-wing posters but they often accuse "Libs" of being sanctimonious and smug, wanting to destroy people's careers and lives over any indiscretion. I never believed that was true, of course, and the comments here reinforce my view.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:02 AM

12. No

I'm tired of excusing and accepting bad behavior. Did the women he harassed out of comedy get a comeback gig? He is not the victim and not being able to tell jokes is not a punishment.

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Response to chicanachick (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:15 AM

13. While I understand the sentiment, what happens if we say a large proportion of men can't work?

 

Not every sexual abuser is wealthy. What happens when it's Joe from accounting or the Rick who manages a local restaurant? We need to have a path for those people to make some form of changes and amends for their mistakes, criminal or otherwise.

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:55 PM

14. I don't believe that Joe from Accounting

or Rick who manages a restaurant one day, out of the blue, decided to whip his dick out and masterbate in front of someone.

This is abusive behavior that is dismissed as nothing. This is why they do it. Because they can. It's a joke to everyone except the harassed woman.

No, they should not be out in the workplace harassing women.

Why is a man's livelihood more important than my safety?





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Response to chicanachick (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:02 PM

16. "Why is a man's livelihood more important than my safety?"

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Or sense of safety. Apparently nobody thinks about that.

I don't think that many men think this was serious. Maybe I am wrong. I was grabbed on the street one early morning on my way to work, the hospital made the nurses walk blocks in the early morning darkness rather that turn loose some of the coveted parking garage spots. I was terrified I was going to be dragged off, this had happened to friends of mine and me once before but no one had ever gotten his hands on me. He held me against the car just so he could masturbate then let me go. All I could think of was, "Whew, he could have taken me somewhere and raped me." It took several months for me to realize how absolutely horrible it actually was. Do you think I ever walked in the morning darkness again? This was 40 years ago and the dark brings me inside even now.

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Response to MuseRider (Reply #16)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 01:13 PM

17. exactly

Why do we always have to be inconvenienced because of their behavior?

Maybe they should lose their jobs and family. Maybe then they would take responsibility for their actions.

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Response to chicanachick (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:09 PM

21. Right

He didn't just whip it out and start masturbating. He planned the assaults. Got in front of any means of egress(for the victim), undressed(again, while blocking the door), and forced them to watch him jerk off. I do hate how this is blown off just because he is a man whose comedy they like. He knew the power dynamic, abused it to get them into the apartment, and assumed his power in that realm would protect him. Real POS moves, at least.

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Response to mythology (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:07 PM

19. Here's a great place for them to start.




Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #1: Privately apologize to each of your victims.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #2: Write letters and make phone calls to all of the comedy club bookers, hosts, waiters, agents, managers, tour managers, and fellow comedians who protected you to apologize to the survivors.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #3: Take a full accounting of all the earnings these survivors missed had they hypothetically continued on their career trajectories without your enablers. Pay them that amount.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #4: Take a full accounting of all the physical and emotional labor and services your survivors have had to pay for themselves or neglected because they couldn't afford it. PAY FOR THAT.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #5: If these survivors are still performing comedy or even if they are not, ensure that they get jobs, shows, and stage time for as long as they need through your considerable network of gatekeepers.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #6: Use your money and network of gatekeepers to make sure all comedy clubs are to be managed by at least HALF women or non-binary people and book this way as well.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #7: Stop making money off of the comedy and fame you got while using your privilege and power to sexually assault women.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #8: Lead a movement to create and fund legislation, non-profits and policies that keep sexual assault and harassment out of the comedy workplace.

Atoning for Sexual Assault in Comedy Idea #9: Donate to http://RAINN.org and tell your fans/followers to donate to http://RAINN.org and to post their donation receipts online to show evidence. Idea from @chick_in_kiev

IF I SEE ANOTHER FARTFACE POST "BUT HOW MUCH DOES HE NEED TO BE PUNISHED?!!" AS IF IT WAS A RHETORICAL QUESTION WITH NO REAL-LIFE ANSWERS SEND THEM MY FUCKING THREAD.

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Response to WhiskeyGrinder (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:14 PM

22. I hope this thread doesn't make me a "fartface"

although I have been called worse.

I think that's a reasonable list of atonement items. Thanks for adding it here.

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Response to chicanachick (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:15 PM

23. How was his behavior "excused and accepted?"

The man has been put through the mill, deservedly. But every act of sexual misconduct does not warrant the same degree of punishment. And I don't think every man who behaves like a jerk deserves to permanently lose his livlihood.

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Response to EffieBlack (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:39 AM

34. Put through the mill?

Why should I be more concerned for his family and work than he is? Shouldn't he be the one concerned that his behavior will lose him work? Shouldn't he think about that before he harasses anyone?

Maybe the reason we have Trump as president is because we excuse men's bad behavior. Maybe it's time to call this shit out.


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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:08 PM

20. No.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 09:15 PM

25. @#$% him.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:16 PM

26. Louis CK did not physically assault nor verbally abuse any one woman

No question what Louis did was socially inappropriate and in poor taste. As to psychic damage done by action of one lone male masturbator to three women, there may be no question that the three felt the masturbator's behavior was insulting, but as with all insults the greater the number of the recipients the less intense the emotional pain tends to be. I seriously doubt that any one of several spectators of a masturbatory display by a single "jerk" would need sessions of psychotherapy to recover from the trauma.

As to the taboo against masturbation Louie in his stage appearances as well as series episodes has been an ongoing supporter for the social acceptance of masturbation. Perhaps he did not know or had forgotten that the mere suggestion of masturbation [let's not forget the more socially acceptable terms "self-abuse/gratification"] ended the career of Clinton's surgeon general, Jocelyn Elders when she mentioned masturbation as an alternative to other forms of safe sex.

Bringing sex into comedy or comedy into sex has always been risky. Let's not forget when way, way back in the early twentieth century Mae West asked a guy, "Is that a pickle in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"

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Response to NobodyInParticular (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:48 AM

35. poor taste?

When I was 10 I answered the phone and it was an obscene phone call.

Just some guy having fun and causing no harm, right?

I didn't go to school for a week after that. I was afraid there was someone out there trying to get me.

I'm 56 and to this day, I don't answer the phone. I pick up messages.

That was the first time I was harassed. I've had to change jobs, work schedules and bus schedules because of some man's "harmless" attention.

This behavior is not harmless no matter how many times you tell yourself that.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:46 PM

27. He's my favorite comedian, and my answer is "Not as far as I can tell."

Has he done anything other than disappear for a year?

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:51 PM

28. No. Serial abusers

rarely change their behavior. From now on he will just be more careful.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 02:43 AM

29. NO! nt

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 02:52 AM

30. I've never found him funny, so I won't be watching him anyway, but who do you begin with letting

back on air, and where does it stop ? If Louis CK comes back, who next ? Bill Cosby ? Matt Loser ?



Oh the irony of Louis CK being allowed back, and Al Franken sitting on the porch in Minnesota.... something very fucking wrong there.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:27 AM

32. Funny you mention Matt Lauer (Loser)

He's reportedly told fans that he will be back on the air. Seems confident about a return (not to the Today Show, in all likelihood) but he figures someone is going to take him...

https://pagesix.com/2018/08/27/matt-lauer-tells-fans-hell-be-back-on-tv/

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 07:29 AM

33. al franken isn't just sitting on the porch. he has been speaking out on issues

hopefully he will come back to office one day also.

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Response to True Dough (Original post)

Wed Aug 29, 2018, 02:56 AM

31. Yes.

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