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Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:28 AM

MAP: The 2016 Election if Abstention from Voting Counted as a Vote for "Nobody"

Moral of the Story: Register non-voters and get them to the polls.


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Reply MAP: The 2016 Election if Abstention from Voting Counted as a Vote for "Nobody" (Original post)
JaneQPublic Aug 2018 OP
LAS14 Aug 2018 #1
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #2
JaneQPublic Aug 2018 #3
bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #5
JaneQPublic Aug 2018 #6
Garrett78 Aug 2018 #24
NewJeffCT Aug 2018 #4
Bradshaw3 Aug 2018 #7
Maven Aug 2018 #8
JaneQPublic Aug 2018 #10
Maven Aug 2018 #12
Glamrock Aug 2018 #17
Maven Aug 2018 #19
Glamrock Aug 2018 #21
Maven Aug 2018 #22
Yavin4 Aug 2018 #32
Dem_4_Life Aug 2018 #9
Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #11
Maven Aug 2018 #20
KPN Aug 2018 #13
brooklynite Aug 2018 #14
KPN Aug 2018 #15
honest.abe Aug 2018 #16
Calculating Aug 2018 #18
suffragette Aug 2018 #23
Garrett78 Aug 2018 #25
suffragette Aug 2018 #26
Garrett78 Aug 2018 #27
suffragette Aug 2018 #30
Rob H. Aug 2018 #28
suffragette Aug 2018 #29
Rob H. Aug 2018 #31
suffragette Aug 2018 #33

Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:29 AM

1. K & R

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:32 AM

2. Not a single county in Arizona or Hawaii.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:36 AM

3. Yep. Such a wealth of untapped resources...

...if only we could inspire and mobilize a good share of all those non-voters.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:40 AM

5. Arizona is very slowly turning blue.

It's going the way of Virginia and Colorado, just a decade or so slower. Hillary only lost Arizona by 3.5 points. Immigration is turning it purple.

Bush won it by 10, McCain and Romney won it by 9, Trump by only 3.5.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:47 AM

6. Any chance of AZ going blue in 2020? (nt)

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #6)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:44 PM

24. I would guess there's a chance, especially if Trump is on the ballot.

And there's a good chance Arizona will have a Democratic Senator next year. It's both telling and frightening that McSally is the most sane option the Republicans in Arizona can come up with. It's not even clear she would win tonight's primary if there weren't 2 others splitting the batshit crazy vote, though I suspect she would based on the latest polling. Still, I'm curious to see what her margin of victory is tonight.

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Response to bearsfootball516 (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:36 AM

4. and only a few in California

amazing

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Response to NewJeffCT (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:56 AM

7. And New York

We Dems have to get people voting on a regular basis.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:02 AM

8. It's too easy to characterize the problem as 'apathy' and plays into corrupt conservative hands IMO

Yes, many people are apathetic about our political system. Some people even take pride in being apolitical, as though that were a badge of honor (or even possible).

But a lot of people don't vote because a) they can't get to the polls on a workday, b) there isn't a polling place open near them or c) they are purged from the voter rolls by corrupt conservatives.

Make voting day a federal holiday and stop corrupt conservatives from shutting down polling places and purging voters, and that map will change a great deal I suspect.

ETA: Notice this map comes from townhall.com, a corrupt conservative opinion site. They love the "apathy" frame because it misdirects attention away from conservative attacks on democracy!

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Response to Maven (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:30 AM

10. The map was created by cartographer Philip Kearney

Here is his webpage for the map:

http://philip-kearney.com/blog/2018/04/20/apathetic-states-of-america/

It is incorrect to say the map "comes from townhall.com." Kearney collected 2016 election data linked at that site, along with info from the U.S. Census Bureau and other sources, as detailed at the link above.

With regard to use of the term "Apathy," one could argue that term applies not to the non-voters, but to the political parties for not working harder to do whatever is necessary to get those people to the polls, be it providing transportation, helping to re-register if purged, babysitting, promoting changes in state voter laws, etc.

The map simply illustrates how many votes are left on the table in an election.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Reply #10)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:57 AM

12. I stand corrected on the source, but my overall point still stands.

I think it is clear that Mr. Kearney is using "apathy" to describe the non-voters, not the political parties. Yes, I agree that the parties (especially ours) can do more to get people to the polls. But that must mean changing the laws to make it easier to vote and harder to purge registered voters from the rolls. Characterizing the problem as "apathy" is an oversimplification that places blame on the victims of disenfranchisement. It is a conservative frame of the issue.

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Response to Maven (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:31 PM

17. I respectfully disagree.

Not that the issues that you point out don't exist mind you. But man, I've never met anyone who just couldn't make it to the polls. I've met far more,exponentially more, who just don't give a shit.

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #17)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:55 PM

19. I don't doubt that.

We are never going to get 100% turnout -- not without making voting mandatory with stiff penalties for noncompliance (which would likely be held unconstitutional). However, other countries that conduct voting on weekends or on a designated national holiday have much higher turnout rates than ours. Let's start there.

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Response to Maven (Reply #19)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:04 PM

21. No doubt!

We're on that same page!

I just don't think we'll see the change in turnout we would like. We really do need, imo, to attack the apathy of voters head on. We need to educate people as to how important this shit is. Especially since they seem to be the ones who complain the loudest.....

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #21)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:23 PM

22. Totally agree


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Response to Maven (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:04 PM

32. Voting should be over a two week period at the least.

All states should have early voting.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:14 AM

9. Wow that is very interesting and sad.

GOTV definitely needed.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 11:33 AM

11. Ouch, Calfornia and New York. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #11)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 02:58 PM

20. The Electoral College effect? nt

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:00 PM

13. Let's hope that the many of those non-voters now have learned a lesson and now

wish they'd gone to the polls and voted D (for Hillary) even if they had to hold their nose in doing so. My gut tells me they have, and they will VOTE D this fall and in 2020 if Trump/Pence aren't actually already ousted by then.

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Response to KPN (Reply #13)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:01 PM

14. Those non-voters have been non-voting for decades...

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:08 PM

15. I think you are right. It wasn't my intent

to say that most or many of them don’t or didn’t vote because of a lack of attractive choices. But I do personally know several here where I live who did exactly that. BEither way, apathy or “no good choice”, we need to do all we can to make voting for Dems an attractive investment on their part.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:21 PM

16. Here is link to the original map for more detail.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 12:34 PM

18. To be fair

Do we really want all these lazy apathetic people to vote anyway? If they can't even put in the effort to go and vote for our PRESIDENT, then they're probably pretty ignorant about a lot of other stuff. They would've probably just voted for Trump because MAGA.

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Response to JaneQPublic (Original post)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:29 PM

23. Washington and Oregon both vote by mail which increases access. Perhaps that should be an important

takeaway from this.

Edit to add: Colorado, too.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #23)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 03:49 PM

25. My suggestions: vote by mail, same day registration, 3-4 days for voting including a weekend.

And combat voter suppression.

And have an impartial robot create district boundaries, as it's easy to get discouraged in a heavily gerrymandered district.

And more civics education in schools. And make media literacy a mandatory class.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:01 PM

26. Great suggestions, though extend the voting window. We have a couple weeks in WA from the

time we receive our ballots to the mail-in deadline. That’s time to actually sift through info about candidates and issues, especially the down ticket ones.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #26)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:02 PM

27. I just meant 3-4 days for in-person voting. Early voting I'm all for.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #27)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:36 PM

30. Sorry, I misunderstood that. That's another great point. The more accessible and inclusive, the

better.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #23)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:13 PM

28. Montana does, too

It can be a double-edged sword, though. Republican Greg Gianforte won a 2017 special election to replace Ryan Zinke as Montana’s representative due in large part to early voters mailing in their ballots; when he assaulted a reporter literally the day before the election people couldn’t retract or change their votes. I’m still in favor of voting by mail—it should be an option everywhere, imo.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #28)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 04:35 PM

29. I hold off on filling and mailing mine for just that reason. Receiving it is a great reminder to

look up info to make an informed decision about less reported candidates and propositions.

I’m still in favor of it, on, even given such possible glitches. I think it’s especially helpful to get younger people and hourly wage workers engaged.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #29)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 06:00 PM

31. "Receiving it is a great reminder to...

...look up info to make an informed decision about less reported candidates and propositions.

Absolutely! We mail in our primary ballots after we’ve done some Googling to learn more, but when it comes to the actual election we hand-deliver them on the day and drop them off at our polling place. I wish everyone could do it—when I lived in Tennessee my choices were standing in line to vote early or standing in a much longer line to vote on election day. A person could vote via absentee ballot, but you’d damn near have to prove you were going to be off the planet completely to qualify for one.

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Response to Rob H. (Reply #31)

Tue Aug 28, 2018, 07:13 PM

33. The fewer obstacles, the better. This year they made ours postage free. Again, especially helpful

for younger voters, many of whom never buy stamps anymore.

I remember when you had to go through hoops to request an absentee ballot, too.

I wonder which other states also have voting by mail.

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