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Sun Aug 26, 2018, 03:57 PM

Re: Jacksonville. How to arm gangs and criminals.

Jacksonville is a huge city, we're the biggest in land area in the US. It encompasses many different types of people. We've a large urban core that is surrounded by rural Southerners. Many of the rw types carry guns in their vehicles. They also like to advertise that they carry via bumper stickers like "NRA and I vote", "This vehicle protected by Smith and Wesson", and so on.

These vehicles get broken into for their promised booty of guns, often multiple guns in single vehicles.

Gang members no longer need to make straw purchases, they simply look for a sign that screams "guns inside", break in, and are armed. Many pro gunners don't even report the thefts.

It's fucked up and not only do the rw'ers stand on the wrong side of the gun debate, but now THEY ARE ACTIVELY ARMING THE CRIMINALS THEY FEAR!

220 guns stolen from guns through June of 2018. https://www.news4jax.com/news/crime/220-guns-stolen-from-unlocked-vehicles-in-jacksonville

521 guns have been stolen from unlocked cars In 2017 https://www.news4jax.com/news/local/jacksonville/521-guns-stolen-in-2017-from-unlocked-cars-jacksonville-police-say

Stolen guns fueling violent crime http://www.jacksonville.com/news/public-safety/2017-02-26/sheriff-guns-stolen-unlocked-cars-may-be-contributing-violent-crime


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Reply Re: Jacksonville. How to arm gangs and criminals. (Original post)
NightWatcher Aug 2018 OP
Angry Dragon Aug 2018 #1
volstork Aug 2018 #2
Sancho Aug 2018 #3
northoftheborder Aug 2018 #10
underpants Aug 2018 #4
NightWatcher Aug 2018 #7
phylny Aug 2018 #5
Initech Aug 2018 #6
KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #8
NightWatcher Aug 2018 #9
KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #11

Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:00 PM

1. Not good at all

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:03 PM

2. You can't fix stupid.

Reminds me of the people who put stickers on their windows with their kid's school, the sport they play, their jersey number, and the kid's name. It's like a pedophile inventory; they are practically asking for some whacko to swipe their kid.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:28 PM

3. See #8. (I live in Florida)

People Control, Not Gun Control

This is my generic response to gun threads where people are shot and killed by the dumb or criminal possession of guns. For the record, I grew up in the South and on military bases. I was taught about firearms as a child, and I grew up hunting, was a member of the NRA, and I still own guns. In the 70ís, I dropped out of the NRA because they become more radical and less interested in safety and training. Some personal experiences where people I know were involved in shootings caused me to realize that anyone could obtain and posses a gun no matter how illogical it was for them to have a gun. Also, easy access to more powerful guns, guns in the hands of children, and guns that werenít secured are out of control in our society. As such, hereís what I now think ought to be the requirements to possess a gun. Iím not debating the legal language, I just think itís the reasonable way to stop the shootings. Notice, none of this restricts the type of guns sold. This is aimed at the people who shoot others, because itís clear that they should never have had a gun.

1.) Anyone in possession of a gun (whether they own it or not) should have a regularly renewed license. If you want to call it a permit, certificate, or something else that's fine.
2.) To get a license, you should have a background check, and be examined by a professional for emotional and mental stability appropriate for gun possession. It might be appropriate to require that examination to be accompanied by references from family, friends, employers, etc. This check is not to subject you to a mental health diagnosis, just check on your superficial and apparent gun-worthyness.
3.) To get the license, you should be required to take a safety course and pass a test appropriate to the type of gun you want to use.
4.) To get a license, you should be over 21. Under 21, you could only use a gun under direct supervision of a licensed person and after obtaining a learnerís license. Your license might be restricted if you have children or criminals or other unsafe people living in your home. (If you want to argue 18 or 25 or some other age, fine. 21 makes sense to me.)
5.) If you possess a gun, you would have to carry a liability insurance policy specifically for gun ownership - and likely you would have to provide proof of appropriate storage, security, and whatever statistical reasons that emerge that would drive the costs and ability to get insurance.
6.) You could not purchase a gun or ammunition without a license, and purchases would have a waiting period.
7.) If you possess a gun without a license, you go to jail, the gun is impounded, and a judge will have to let you go (just like a DUI).
8.) No one should carry an unsecured gun (except in a locked case, unloaded) when outside of home. Guns should be secure when transporting to a shooting event without demonstrating a special need. Their license should indicate training and special carry circumstances beyond recreational shooting (security guard, etc.). If you are carrying your gun while under the influence of drugs or alcohol, you lose your gun and license.
9.) If you buy, sell, give away, or inherit a gun, your license information should be recorded.
10.) If you accidentally discharge your gun, commit a crime, get referred by a mental health professional, are served a restraining order, etc., you should lose your license and guns until reinstated by a serious relicensing process.

Most of you know that a license is no big deal. Besides a driverís license you need a license to fish, operate a boat, or many other activities. I realize these differ by state, but that is not a reason to let anyone without a bit of sense pack a semiautomatic weapon in public, on the roads, and in schools. I think we need to make it much harder for some people to have guns.

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Response to Sancho (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:52 PM

10. Like this list.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:48 PM

4. Jacksonville natives

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Response to underpants (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 05:05 PM

7. Too bAd the fucker didn't drink some whisky and Shewt himself

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:52 PM

5. Wow - I never thought of the sticker being advertising! Thanks for this post.

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 04:55 PM

6. Why go through things like background checks and waiting periods?

When there's always the trusty five finger discount?

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Response to NightWatcher (Original post)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:31 PM

8. I'll bet those round NRA stickers invite break-ins as well.

An old quote comes to mind: "pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall" .

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:40 PM

9. An Apple logo sticker suggests an iPhone or iPad inside

And "my kid goes to Dingleberry Elementary" let's everyone know they can grab a kid if they follow you home.

Stop advertising your weaknesses!

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #9)

Sun Aug 26, 2018, 06:58 PM

11. K&R. Best no stickers at all.

Especially political ones in many parts of the country. Good way to get cars keyed or a window busted.

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