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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsRachel tonight. Fascinating.
The convoluted machinations that led to the Cohen subpoena of months ago.
Cohen was served with a new subpoena today...as a witness in New York's investigation or action against Trump's charitable organization. The NY AG, Barbara Underwood, filed a CIVIL lawsuit against the charity that was long, detailed, and actually included evidence (like images of notes) embedded in the petition, months ago.
She then sent that petition to the IRS, New York's tax dept., and another NY dept. I think it was NY tax dept that then subpoenaed Cohen today as a witness.
Fascinating programs. Rachel is excellent at connecting the dots and run down the timelines & give background.
You can't make this stuff up.
Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)give her pertinent facts & their sources, etc. And whatever else she asks for or needs. They are worth their weight in gold.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The research, the presentation, the attentional to detail - it's phenomenal.
calimary
(81,126 posts)Whenever I watch her. She connects the dots better than anybody else, and she gives you context.
ProudMNDemocrat
(16,730 posts)Looks like the elder Trump kids are in deep shit with the State of New York. Daddy cannot bail his kids out with this mess.
OOPS!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,730 posts)dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,730 posts)Or her designer clothes,shoes, well coiffed hair.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,730 posts)Last edited Thu Aug 23, 2018, 01:57 AM - Edit history (1)
I read New York's State Prison are notorious.
tblue37
(65,227 posts)should be held accountable if those in state custody are not kept safe from all sorts of abuse.
Still, the Trump boys are not pretty.
al bupp
(2,167 posts)While in some cases, such as this, I understand the reasons for the sentiment, rape should never be a joke. Period.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Hekate
(90,564 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,730 posts)The Kushner kids will be orphaned and likely broken with parents in prison.
dewsgirl
(14,961 posts)If their fathers weren't evil greedy monsters.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)A good parent does what it takes to make sure they are not at risk of being removed from their children's lives.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)...not in any way a felony.
The Kushners and Trumps? Felonious one and all.
Chemisse
(30,803 posts)Like being able to feed and house them and allow them to grow up in safety.
Ivanka and Jared took that risk so they could swaddle their kids and themselves in luxury. And as you said, they've committed felonies, serious crimes with serious penalties.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)I'm sure Trump's father is the one who taught him the slippery ropes of the dark side of NY real estate. Roy Cohn, Trump's mob-connected & McCarthy-assistant mentor, completed the job. This is why Trump operates like a mob boss. He has "the family." Mob bosses always involve their grown kids in "the family business."
I'm not sure Ivanka is involved, though.
R B Garr
(16,950 posts)It is very fascinating. The screws are tightening from all directions.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Lest people be thinking that she's a sweet little ol' lady...think again.
underpants
(182,632 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)Amaryllis
(9,524 posts)would be for his attorney to call them. Something has sure turned him around.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Remember that? I think when Trump was asked about the payment, and Trump said he didn't know anything...you have to ask Michael Cohen. Boom. Trump was clearly going to blame Cohen for everything.
That, coupled with the huge legal fees that Cohen couldn't pay, and Trump would not help him with...that turned the guy who would take a bullet into a John Dean.
How could ANYONE not know that loyalty for Trump is a one way street? I guess it's natural for people to think they are the exception to the rule. Well, they are not. Trump is a corrupt, disloyal, unethical POS. He never takes the blame or the fall. That is who he is.
jrthin
(4,834 posts)that he cannot be indicted while in office; but he cannot take such comfort that his children will not be. And they will most likely end up in prison if the IRS has anything say.
Hekate
(90,564 posts)The little I caught looks way too delicious to miss.
Schadenfreudelicious, even.
Ilsa
(61,690 posts)Hekate
(90,564 posts)eleny
(46,166 posts)Like if there's a connection between Cohen being paid by Trump's charitable foundation for "tech" work and his meetings with Russians, according to the dossier, where they were going to figure out how to pay hackers.
mnhtnbb
(31,374 posts)I was watching Rachel tonight and last night when she was talking about Cohen being free on bail and able to travel various places.
All I could think of was how at risk he is without adequate protection given tRump's fondness for vengeance and making people pay who turn on him.
Pachamama
(16,884 posts)...taking care of people without regard for law or borders....
mnhtnbb
(31,374 posts)gibraltar72
(7,499 posts)She puts words and facts together. At first she makes a pattern then she makes a picture.
Upthevibe
(8,018 posts)It reminds me of my History classes in college (I went back as a full time working adult so school was really important and something I very much wanted to do). The History professor I had for two semesters was amazing! He was the best teacher I've ever had, and I've had some great teachers. During his lectures we felt like we were actually living whatever it was he was talking about - The American Revolution, The Civil War, whatever it was. The way Rachel weaves a story together is absolute MUST SEE T.V.!
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)on confusing things and a messy timeline...she grasps it herself, figures it out, then lays it out for the rest of us.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)And Pence, of course, cannot pardon Trump from a state convicted crime. Trump will SERVE TIME. Perhaps even his kids too.
Marcuse
(7,446 posts)Duppers
(28,117 posts)Prison or Russian hitmen.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Ilsa
(61,690 posts)also, not just the misuse of the foundation. Was this money he promised to pay one of the russian farms?
Haggis for Breakfast
(6,831 posts)think Cambridge Analytica . . . .
Crutchez_CuiBono
(7,725 posts)You may be on to something there. Interesting.
triron
(21,984 posts)Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)what greedy ass evil traitors to America the republicans have turned out to be.
distraceful.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Remember the Trump Jr./Kushner/Manafort mtg with Russians in Trump Tower? Wasn't that in June 2016. Then this other mtg in August 2016 and a payment made?
It's possible the Trump Tower mtg was the Big Kahuna, where the plans were done, and Trump signed on and agreed to payment(s) for hacking.
Duppers
(28,117 posts)Do time.
Can you imagine the backlog of cases Mueller's staff must have! Boggles the mind, especially when you include all of the Republican lawmakers' knowledge of and cover-ups.
This era "should" change America.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)The courts & juries have no problems finding guilt of rich and/or connected people for white collar crimes, and esp for crimes affecting our democracy or smack of treason.
Madoff, Ehrlichman, John Dean, and many others. But knowing something happened and proving it are 2 different things. Need hard core evidence. However, as someone on Rachel's show said, it's not hard to get evidence of white collar crimes, because there are documents involved (unlike murder and such).
oasis
(49,335 posts)ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)There was never a better choice!
Rachel insinuated that NY didn't really know all of her background and just made a lucky pick.
blaze
(6,347 posts)blaze
(6,347 posts)for example:
"The Trump admin is still trying to illegally punish sanctuary cities for making law enforcement decisions according to local needs.
Ive said it before. Ill say it again: @POTUS does not have the authority to turn state and local law enforcement into federal immigration agents.
7:18 PM - 22 Aug 2018"
and this:
"If the Trump administrations proposal to dismantle the #CleanPowerPlan is adopted, we will sue to block it.
Climate change is real, no matter how much this administration tries to deny it. We need strong, immediate action."
and this:
"Let's not forget, the fight for #NetNeutrality is essentially a fight to protect the modern public square.
Corporations should not be able to decide who gets to speak, what they can talk about, and how loudly they can say it. But that could be the future of the internet."
ProudLib72
(17,984 posts)She's 74. She might be thinking about retiring, and this could be a high note to end on.