AOC: "The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors. I swung by today..."

[bigtree]

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez @Ocasio2018 10m10 minutes ago
The restaurant I used to work at is closing its doors.

I swung by today to say hi one last time, and kid around with friends like old times.

I’m a normal, working person who chose to run for office, because I believe we can have a better future.

You can do it too. We all can.



twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1031597371061411841

[lunasun]

1. Yes we can! Looking forward to what the house will look like next Jan.

[gratuitous]

2. Uh oh

I'm not looking forward to the responses about why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez didn't use her magical powers to keep the restaurant open and why she didn't shoot frickin' laser beams out of her eyes to keep the kitchen running and why she's totally at fault for having once worked at a restaurant that went out of business.

[bigtree]

3. 'shoot frickin' laser beams out of her eyes'

...

[NCTraveler]

4. This is the only mention of it I see.

Seems what you don't look forward to is yourself.

[gratuitous]

6. Oops, sorry

Didn't mean to bigfoot anyone's contemplated post.

[NCTraveler]

7. In one month..

Gratuitous: “Do you remember when they blamed her for not saving a restaurant!!!”

[betsuni]

8. You sure have a low opinion of DU.

I just saw you claim that we at DU excuse ICE's "gestapo tactics."

[gratuitous]

9. I can direct you to any number of posts

But if you care to do your own research and look for them yourself, you will be "rewarded." Sorry if you were offended.

[sheshe2]

15. Please direct us to those posts.

gratuitous
9. I can direct you to any number of posts

You said you can, so do.... and


But if you care to do your own research and look for them yourself, you will be "rewarded."

I am to tired to research what you obviously have at your finger tips. Please do share.

I will wait here.

TIA

[emulatorloo]

29. She's not your research assistant. Blaming DU'ers for stuff you fantasized they said is dumb.

[KG]

10. !

[demmiblue]

14. Lol!

[Kahuna7]

32. Well?

[Glamrock]

152. Right on luna!

[klook]

184. See post 175. (nt)

[Voltaire2]

5. Why is she using a woman like a horse!

Shame on AOC!!!!!

Socialismist.

Arggle Barrgle.

[JI7]

11. give her credit for allowing the press here

[sheshe2]

13. Ha!

[NurseJackie]

20. OMG! Ha! :-D

[bigtree]

77. it's my understanding there weren't any vulnerable, or at-risk individuals attending

...for the press to photograph or film.

They had to cover this momentous event themselves.

[sarah FAILIN]

12. I'm supporting a young person trying to change the world as we know it too.

These were the online comments at his first town hall.
"He looks like a baby!"
"He is awfully young"
"His resume is extremely thin."
Listen to him talk and they are ok with him, but if he were getting a piggyback ride from another guy, there would be no hope.
You guys vote for her and enjoy, but it is not just her district affected by the way she carries herself. There are a whole lot of young people in far less blue areas that are having people look at them and wonder if they are like the girl that wanted to flip a district red and was getting piggyback rides on the street.
I wish she were a little more thoughtful is what I'm saying.

[bigtree]

16. I think this is an absurd complaint

...I've never seen ANYONE criticized so much for EVERYTHING they do.

That is, I've never seen a man subjected to so much hooey.

One thing I know for sure. There is NO AOC post that will not draw some kind of frivolous complaint framed as concern over her political prospects.

[George II]

18. Have you missed all the Hillary Clinton posts?

[GoCubsGo]

22. Must've slept through the Obama years, as well.

[Crutchez_CuiBono]

51. Heh heh. You'd think there was a picture of Pres H Clinton in the 'bible'

under satan. The hate Hillary thing has been going on for almost 30 years.

[NurseJackie]

21. "I've never seen ANYONE criticized so much for EVERYTHING they do." -- ROFL!!!

I've never seen ANYONE criticized so much for EVERYTHING they do.

Never, huh? Anyone, huh? OMG, the sky is falling, isn't it?

What I'm saying is... things aren't as bad as you're making them out to be. Are you new here? Or, have you just not been paying much attention to all that's come before if you honestly think that her critics are the worst you've ever seen?

[George II]

24. Just a few:

Where are the transcripts
Where are the emails
Corporate w*
In bed with the banksters

BENGHAZI!

...and so many more. Yeah, I never!

[Tiggeroshii]

26. You are mistaken

Hillary was criticized mostly for things she DIDN'T do. 99% of the accusations were an impressive concoction of imaginary forces.

[NurseJackie]

27. Ha!! :-D

Hillary was criticized mostly for things she DIDN'T do.

[Tiggeroshii]

28. Truth

Pizzagate, causing benghazi, not smiling enough, not showing enough emails. Showing too many emails.Democratic women have a tendency to be a lightning rod for a crippling array of fake criticism.


If there is one thing AOC and Hillary have in common, it is that.

[R B Garr]

30. Wrong. Hillary Clinton didn't join an organization criticizing Democrats.

Justice Democrats is funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger. It is interesting that the main difference about AOC is consistently ignored by some...

[Tiggeroshii]

34. That's pretty much what the DLC was.

There are plenty of other folks with far more to criticize, men and women alike (let's face it: they are still mostly men), but somehow most criticism gravitates toward the female candidates instead...

[R B Garr]

35. Now that is just absurd. Hillary didn't join a group funded by an ex Republican.

Your analogy was AOC vs Hillary Clinton, and you think that a not-yet-elected candidate promoted by a group funded by an ex Republican (Justice Democrats is funded by Cenk Uyger, an ex Republican) is equal to the criticism that Hillary Clinton has received over decades of service to our party?? Yeah, let's face it -- that is a completely bogus deflection. You keep ignoring the goals of Justice Democrats. Hillary Clinton didn't join a group funded by an ex Republican.

[Tiggeroshii]

39. There is no VS

We are in the same boat trying to drive it different directions and willing to sink it if we dont get our way.

Female candidate get the bulk of the criticsm regardless of what wing of the partt they are from. If you dint believe me, where are all the posts about randy bryce and his being in and out of jail, not payjng child support, etc? There is nothing like what we see on AOC for any other rising male democratic star or male politician. The only other equivalents are female candidates. I wonder why?

[R B Garr]

42. Now you are just reaching. You keep ignoring why AOC's connections to Justice

Democrats is why people are wondering what is next about criticizing our own candidates (Democrats). Her own words are what people are commenting on.

Whatever happened before, we know which groups were used to divide Democrats. There seems to be an interesting effort to co-opt and play turnabout with the facts we know about the Mueller indictments. Groups that supported Bernie were helped by the Russians -- Trump, Bernie, and Jill Stein were pushed to divide Democrats and harm our candidate, Hillary Clinton. Those are the facts that we are dealing with now. That is the reality and the history of our current state, and that is why groups like Justice Democrats are commented on -- how much damage are they going to do to our party to promote themselves. Justice Democrats are funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger.

[Tiggeroshii]

43. Who's reaching?

This is sounding all too familiar except you replaced DLC and George Soros with Justice Democrats and Cenk Uyger. Oh and "Hillary" with AOC.

[R B Garr]

44. lol, another interesting turnabout. Read the Mueller indictments. Read who Russia

helped and who they used and targeted to divide Democrats. Do third party candidates contribute to our party?? You are just reaching now.

The point was that AOC's connections to Justice Democrats and their questionable funding sources from an ex Republican are why there are questions -- and her own words. Especially in this time of the Russian hacking results and what the Mueller indictments have revealed about who was targeted and why. You keep trying to play a turnabout and ignoring the real questions people have about connections to groups like Justice Democrats, who are funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger.

[Tiggeroshii]

47. Plenty candidates fall into the categories you are saying. I pointed one out.

Why not focus on him? WhyAOC all the time? I could hasten some guesses but you wouldnt like it. You are just projecting at this point.

[R B Garr]

49. You are the one projecting. Comparing AOC, an unelected candidate to Hillary Clinton??

You are obviously reaching, seriously. Your projections about guessing about me -- I can predict exactly what your phony insults will be, it's all so transparent. Yet, you keep ignoring the very real damage done by the Russia interference in favor of some distractions that continue to ignore the reason people question Justice Democrats -- a group funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger, all with openly stated goals of disrupting Democrats to replace them.

[Tiggeroshii]

50. Why are you talking about russia?

DLC was also founded by an ex republican and we nominated one in the last election. What are you even trying to get at? Why does somebody's fomer party affiliation matter? Because this is just sounding nonsensical at this point. Take care now and have a good day.

[R B Garr]

53. omfg! LOL, trying to call the Clinton's Republicans...

What a joke. I knew your distractions were totally bogus. Clinton actually won elections, after three Republican Presidents and a stranglehold on the nation with their family values, etc etc etc. Please, let's not distract about a group designed to beat Republicans at their own game from literally decades ago with actual groups working as Democrats to disrupt other Democrats, all to promote themselves -- Justice Democrats are funded by an ACTUAL ex Republican.

No wonder you don't acknowledge Russian intereference! The reality of the actual current news about how our last Presidential elections were subverted is not an acceptable subject for the superficial Clinton haters.

[Tiggeroshii]

54. Not actually.

But we are clearly not getting through to each other. I will try again another time. I wish you the best.

[R B Garr]

56. Yes, all recognizable buzzwords and old superficial Clinton hater

insinuations about some completely unrelated events that have been completely mischaracterized and lied about for literally decades were very evident.

You keep trying to mistake the salient point before you brought the Clintons into this -- Justice Democrats is funded NOW, this time in our history -- by an ex Republican. We have current news I'm watching on TV right now about how the Russian interference helped Trump, Bernie and Stein to harm our candidate, Hillary Clinton. That is what is happening now -- that is why people are questioning Justice Democrats and whomever they promote to the extent they try to harm Democrats from within to promote their own groups. Lets focus on now instead of blaming Bill and Hillary for everything...

[Tiggeroshii]

58. It was a pleasure.

[R B Garr]

60. I found it very revealing.... Clinton this, Clinton that, not a word

or even understanding about the current news of the Russians who attacked our elections and which groups they targeted and why people would question the strategy of attacking Democrats from within, as the Justice Democrats (funded by an ex Republican) are now actively engaged in.

[Tiggeroshii]

61. Whatever floats your boat.

I am really hoping it is floating after all, since I am on it too.

[R B Garr]

63. I read your posts. That what was revealing. Clinton this and that...

ignore what is right in front of you in favor of some unintelligible nonsense about the Clintons that only helps the GOP.

[Tiggeroshii]

65. Actually Clinton was the subject of these sub threads before.

And my posts were as much in defense of her as your posts were critical of AOC.

[R B Garr]

67. You keep trying to inject the Clintons in a completely unrelated manner.

You keep ignoring the salient reasons to question the motives of Justice Democrats, a group funded by an ex Republican. You keep pretending that Clinton is the subject when that is not happening. Justice Democrats is a group funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger. That is what is happening now. Not Clinton this and that from literally decades ago.

You keep ignoring the damage done to our party that is documented by the Mueller indictments. That is the salient point you keep intentionally ignoring.

[Tiggeroshii]

69. Classic straw man.

Russia had nothing to do with AOC. You are trying to make a loose connection between justice democrats being critical of democrats who take money from large corporations and an insidious attack on our country, essentially calling democrats (many of whom have been elected: see Whitmer's running mate) enemies of the people.

[R B Garr]

75. lol, from the one going back decades to inject the Clintons into everything,

and you are talking about a strawman. LOL. It's obvious now that you are frustrated with your own distractions. Read the Mueller indictments. How utterly laughable for you to even type that "Russia had nothing to do with AOC." You keep pretending that it's about Hillary Clinton vs AOC because that fits the Clinton hater mantra, while acknowledging that Russia helped Trump, Bernie and Jill Stein by funding attempts to undermine Hillary is one of the reasons that groups funded by ex Republicans (Justice Democrats) is the reason people question the motives of candidates they support. That is funny how you pretend I was saying that AOC was connected to Russia...

Now you're on to the corporations this and that instead of the Clintons this and that. Justice Democrats were funded by an ex Republican. The Mueller indictments will spell is all out for you and are the topic of our time.

[Tiggeroshii]

79. Hillary was an actual topic of this conversation

Russia was not. Thus making it a straw man.

[R B Garr]

80. You bringing Hillary into doesn't make it a topic. You made it Hillary

vs AOC. I didn't realize only you can determine a topic. You keep ignoring the reasons that people have questions about the motives of groups like Justice Democrats -- it's because of the actual current real news -- happening today. The Mueller indictments/investigations into the Russian interference -- which groups were targeted and why. That is the reality. That is what is happening. That is why people have questions. You want to make it about Hillary to distract from the very real questions people have about Justice Democrats, a group founded by an ex Republican. That is why there are questions.

Hillary has nothing to do with this. You should leave her out.

[Tiggeroshii]

82. I did not actually bring up Hillary. My post was a response to post 21

The entire thread was about Hillary and my post was what you responded to which was also about Hillary. As soon as you mentioned Russia, it became clear you didn't want to talk about Hillary anymore and accused me of bringing up the distraction. The record is pretty clear how it went.

[R B Garr]

87. You compared Hillary to AOC, and my comment was that your analogy

is completely void of the facts surrounding why people question groups like Justice Democrats, funded by an ex Republican. You were implying that AOC was on parallel with Hillary, which is just not true, sorry. I notice your subsequent posts completely skipped over my point so you can go back thirty years to call the Clintons Republicans. Hillary Clinton did not join a group to target elected Democrats who did not support her 100%. That is the point.

Yes, the record is pretty clear how it went.

[Tiggeroshii]

92. No. I was implying democratic women ger treated similarly

Once they reach a high profile. You took it to Russia.

[lapucelle]

155. Many are troubled by AOC's affiliation with Brand New Congress

and her continued professional relationship with manager/spokesman Corbin Trent.

Trent who has made it very clear that he is not a Democrat, is running an independent against the Democratic candidate in a general election congressional race. (A Republican he managed in a primary earlier this year lost his election.)

Theo: What is your relationship to the Democratic Party?

Corbin: Myself, personally? I have no relationship whatsoever. The organization has very little. We intend to run within their structures, and in their primaries, and we’re thankful that they’ve set up an infrastructure that’s going to allow candidates to run in primaries. But we think that the party has—a long time ago—stopped representing the needs of the American people.

snip=============================

Theo: You’re also the communications director for Justice Democrats, an organization with a similar mission. They endorse BNC candidates, and you endorse their candidates. Why are they two separate organizations?

Corbin: There are a couple of reasons. One is that Justice Democrats has one criteria to become a candidate, and this is to refuse PAC money, refuse corporate bundled money. And be a Democrat. Those are their requirements.

With Brand New Congress, there are much more rigid criteria. You’ve got to support Medicare-for-all, you’ve got to support free college tuition, untethering of our police forces and court systems from the fine and fee structures they have. And the second reason is that we’re intent on running Democrats, Republicans and independents.

Corbin Trent strikes many as an ambitious opportunist. AOC should distance herself from him.

[Power 2 the People]

59. Such a ridiculous argument

That's like saying that just because Hillary Clinton was a Republican who campaigned door to door for Barry Goldwater that she is somehow a Republican. Absurd!

Just another frivolous,incoherent argument for the AOC haters to stomp up and down because their vision of the party is going the way of the dinosaurs. DLC,Third-Way policies and strategies were abject failures! That's why the party is going back to its FDR roots.

[R B Garr]

62. Yes, it is a very transparent and absurb recycled Clinton hater drama nonsense.

Just string together a bunch of non-related Clinton this and that. Hillary Clinton was not a Republican. Bill Clinton was not a Republican. This is just superficial recycled JPR garbage that belongs over there. It is pure distraction, and not very intelligent, actually, as it's been dissected to death. Bill Clinton was actually elected President, so to say that he didn't work is just absurd. Third-Way meant finding a way to actually get elected and it was nothing similar to the Justice Democrats, who are funded by an actual ex Republican. That is what is going on now. Read the Mueller indictments. Some superficial, shallow DLC hate mongering that is completely unrelated to current events is sheer folly, but it looks like that's what you are actually engaging in. Running the Clintons down -- again -- from things that you misrepresent from literally decades ago to current events happening now. Blame it on the Clintons/ignore current reality about Justice Democrats attacking Democrats from within to promote their own group.

FDR was actually elected, LOL, so you won't be going anywhere unless you get into office, and that has not been happening for the JDs. You have to actually win something first, so running Bill Clinton down is true folly. Bill Clinton won. Bill Clinton actually raised taxes on the rich. Bill Clinton left a surplus, unprecedented in our time. Those are the facts. Win something first, and third party hasn't won anything.

[Power 2 the People]

76. You're incorrect RB. Hillary was a Goldwater girl and campaigned for him door to door

against LBJ. That does not mean that she didn't evolve to become a true Democrat. Quite the contrary. You are trying to taint AOC and Justice Democrats because Cenk Uygur was at one time a Republican. That's absurd! Hillary saw the light and so did Cenk.

You should stop being so biased into believing that former Republicans can't see the error of their ways and become good,solid Democrats like Hillary and Cenk. I believe in Democrats and welcome anyone who joins us against the Republicans.

Just as you and other long-timers on DU have consistently voiced your displeasure about "Democratic Socialism,"I am not ashamed to say I am not a fan of the DLC or Third Way direction the party drifted to over the past 30 years. I respect your opinion and agree to disagree.

[R B Garr]

78. You are completely fabricating now. What incredible spin. Bill Clinton won

his elections, and Justice Democrats has stated goals to unseat Democrats that don't go by their marching orders. Those are the facts. This is just pure JPR garbage that you are bringing back here. And you are ignoring the reasons why people have questions about Justice Democrats motives. Justice Democrats is funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger. Your decades old spin completely negates the current facts we have now about the Russian interference. Russia helped Trump, Bernie and Jill Stein to defeat our candidate, Hillary Clinton. For you to talk about a decades old situation that resulted in a win for Democrats is really beyond absurd.

Hillary Clinton is not the subject of this thread. How completely comical to bring her up at this point, actually.

In the meantime, a young impressionable woman being compared to a grown man who changed parties just to disrupt Democrats is not a comparison, sorry. Just more incredible distractions.

[Tiggeroshii]

81. Justice democrats have won more elections than you know apparently

Which means they have won at least one. Raul Grijalva and Ro Kanna are two of the supposed unelected Justice Democrats you've declared.

[R B Garr]

94. Justice Democrats are not like Hillary Clinton. Hillary Clinton didn't organize

a group, funded by an ex Republican, to target OTHER Democrats. You keep disregarding the groups own stated goals, and they will also support Republicans if the Republicans parrot their talking points. Parroting talking points being the operative point here -- no proof needed of party affiliation. Just an ex Republican funding Democrats who also attack other Democrats. It's common knowledge that the GOP supports outside groups who attack other Democrats -- especially incumbent Democrats.

[Tiggeroshii]

96. Either way you flip it justice democrats are democrats.

Stop pretending otherwise.

[R B Garr]

98. You keep pretending you don't understand why people question the motives

of groups who target other Democrats. Justice Democrats, funded by an ex Republican Cenk Uyger, targets other Democrats. You keep skipping over that part.

[Tiggeroshii]

101. Justice Democrats are Democrats

Many are elected senior members of congress. Your alleged motives of the organization are certainly up for debate but either way you stack it you are denigrating Democrats -as this group only supports Democrats.

[R B Garr]

105. You are also denigrating Democrats. You keep sidestepping the fundamental reason

people question Justice Democrats. Denigrating other Democrats who don't accept Justice Democrats talking points 100% is still denigrating other Democrats. You keep sidestepping the most salient issue and trying to usurp the known facts that are out there in the news about which group attacks Democrats.

[Tiggeroshii]

106. Wow that is quite a stretch.

How often do you practice those mental gymnastics? Impressive!

[R B Garr]

108. Going back 30 years to dig up some unrelated inane Clinton drama for

no reason whatsoever is also quite a stretch. A very recognizable stretch, too.

[Tiggeroshii]

111. Simply pointing out somebody was a Republican a long time ago

And how that fact does not make them bad, is certainly not a denigration.

[R B Garr]

114. Thanks for pointing out your distraction by now accepting what

I said several posts back. It was obvious that Pwr was comparing to Cenk to Hillary, which you now acknowledge.

It is obviously a distraction because you are trying to pretend that ex Republicans funding groups to undermine other Democrats is just standard practice, when it is not. That is why I brought up the current news -- current news shows that the Russian indictments are about groups funded to attack Democrats. Current news. And attacking other Democrats is certainly a denigration.

[George II]

103. Justice Democrats haven't won a single election. A few of their endorsed candidates have, though.

But Raul Grijalva and Ro Kanna aren't among those few. Justice Democrats was founded in 2017, and neither of those two have been in an election since that time. But I see that Justice Democrats are giving themselves credit for their 2016 wins after the fact? Where have I seen that before?

By the way, in 2018 Justice Democrats have endorsed 21 candidates who have won (primaries, not general elections) They've endorsed 45 who have lost. That's a 32% success rate.

[Power 2 the People]

83. RB facts are facts. Your spin is dizzying.

As I stated, it is possible for former Republicans to see the light and become Democrats. Hillary and Cenk are examples of that. You should be praising them and not denigrating them.

Why do you keep injecting Bill Clinton into this? I never mentioned him. The Russia investigation?? How the hell did that enter the conversation??? FYI I am in agreement 100% that Stein and the Russians contributed greatly to our defeat in 2016.

Nobody but you and a select few on DU are suspicious of Justice Democrats. Stop casting aspersions on them and the candidates they choose to endorse. More diversity can only strengthen our candidates and party. I'll say it again.STOP DENIGRATING DEMOCRATS!

[R B Garr]

85. Power2thePeople, The Clintons are not like Cenk Uyger, an ex Republican. The Clintons are

elected Democrats. Neither joined a group like ex Republican Cenk Uyger's group, Justice Democrats. You brought up the DLC and all manner of thirty-year-old politics as if that has some nothing to do with Bill Clinton. What is relevant now is why people rightfully question the motives of groups like Justice Democrats, funded by an ex Republican. This technique is very transparent. Bring up the Clintons from 30 years ago in response to anything to do with current news. The current news and the Mueller indictments are your answer as to why people question who is funding Justice Democrats. We know

Yes, STOP denigrating Democrats. Stop saying that the Clintons are Republicans. Stop saying that elected Democrats who fit their district should be outed in favor for one man's politics, some that aren't even supported in his own state. Support Democrats indeed.

[Tiggeroshii]

88. Justice Democrats ARE democrats

Stop denigrating Justice Democrats. They are Democrats. Elected (like Ro Kanna and Raul Grijalva) or not

[R B Garr]

90. Justice Democrats has stated goals to disrupt OTHER Democrats. If you don't

know or acknowledge that, then you are not being forthcoming here... You keep pretending that part doesn't exist. That is the point.

[Tiggeroshii]

95. This whole conspiracy theory is nauseating.

Don't you get tired of all the strings that you have to connect?

[R B Garr]

97. LOL, your distractions are humorous. First it's Hillary vs AOC, then

its the DLC, Soros, 30-year-old proven nonsense about the Clintons, but nothing, not a thing about why people have questions about current news -- the Mueller indictments that have actually linked Russia to helping Trump, Bernie and Stein subvert our democracy by attacking our candidate.

You keep pretending that the reason people question outside/new groups like Justice Democrats, who have stated goals to disrupt Democrats if their targeted Democrats don't support their talking points 100%, is because Hillary was also targeted. Hillary never joined a group funded by an ex Republican to attack other Democrats. That is why your analogies fail.

[Tiggeroshii]

99. You are portraying my statements as something other than they were

Lying and grasping at straws. Why?

[R B Garr]

102. You are pretending that people who question AOC do not have good

reasons for questioning the group she is attached to -- Justice Democrats. You compared her to Hillary. Hillary never joined a group funded by an ex Republican to attack other Democrats from within. Whatever virtue you think Justice Democrats has, there is a fundamental difference with Hillary Clinton on that matter, so your analogy failed.

[Tiggeroshii]

109. You are criticizing a democrat for being endorsed by a group because they criticized democrats

So when are the olympics? You should compete! Do they have mental gymnastics as a category yet?

[R B Garr]

110. You are obviously intentionally ignoring the salient points about why

people question groups who attack other Democrats. That is the salient point, but you are intentionally ignoring it. I'm glad we got to the root of all this. Thanks for showing your reluctance to accept the real reasons people are questioning groups that attack Democrats and instead focusing on some Clinton nonsense from 30 years ago -- and Soros!

[Tiggeroshii]

112. ...

[Power 2 the People]

91. I never said or implied the Clintons are Republicans

Don't lie like that. It is beneath the dignity of a Democrat. You are grasping at straws and creating your own arguments to back your own conclusions.

[R B Garr]

100. You compared Hillary to Cenk Uyger.

LOL, talk about grasping at straws. Yes, don't lie about the Clintons. It gets really old and is a transparent tactic.

[Tiggeroshii]

104. No he never said that. You actually brought that up.

He simply said that just because somebody was a republican in the past does not make them awful now when they had a change of heart. Very different from what you portrayed. Why the dishonesty? Honestly?

[R B Garr]

107. Why the dishonesty indeed. Why compare 30-year-old Clinton nonsense

to the current stated goals of the Justice Democrats. He compared Cenk to Hillary, that is what he/she did. Justice Democrats is funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger. There is current news, not going back 30 years to dig up some inane DLC Clinton nonsense --- current news -- that shows which groups were targeted to work from within against Democrats. Why the dishonesty indeed.

Your "change of heart" comment is pretty funny. Hillary never joined a group to work against Democrats.

[Tiggeroshii]

113. ...

[R B Garr]

115. Yeah, what about Hillary!

What about Bill!

What about the DLC!

Soros!

[Tiggeroshii]

117. .

You've taken this conversation from "it is terrible that democratic women are treated terribly" to beyond Russia. That is impressive!


And like it or not AOC is comparable to a young strong Hillary Clinton who is focused and dedicated to making a difference in peoples' lives. We are all democrats and you can disparage our unity as much as you want but it won't change a thing.

[R B Garr]

120. You keep acting like there are not salient reasons to question the group she belongs

to. You tried to compare her to Hillary Clinton, but Hillary never joined a group funded by an ex Republican whose goals are stated in part to disrupt other Democrats. Hillary never did that. That is the salient point. Now you are sidestepping into some "unity" discussion when Justice Democrats, if you support them, is not particularly about unity themselves. They are about unseating other Democrats who do not support their talking points 100%. That's some irony right there...

[Tiggeroshii]

116. Besides being a Goldwater girl, no

She hasn't. Because she is a tried and true democrat.

[R B Garr]

118. Hillary has not joined a group like Justice Democrats to work

from within to attack other Democrats. That is why people question the motives of members of Justice Democrats. Justice Democrats is funded by an ex Republican, Cenk Uyger. Cenk is a failed talk show host. He is relegated to the back channels.

[Tiggeroshii]

119. Your conspiracy theories are fascinating but I don't have time to entertain them

Sorry


They sound like: "a shadowy group within the party looking to take down tried and true elected officials by rejecting corporate donations. Beware!"

[R B Garr]

121. The Mueller indictments are not conspiracy theories. They are factual.

They are current news. There is also current news that Russian cybergroups are now attacking GOP groups who don't support Trump 100%.

But I understand -- you only have time to go back 30 years about the Clintons...

[Tiggeroshii]

122. ....

i hope you are enjoying yourself. Are mental gymnastics fun?

[R B Garr]

123. As I said a long time ago, your posts are very revealing...

I personally liked the 80's and 90's...

[Tiggeroshii]

124. your mental gymnastics make you laugh

That's great! I'm glad it is working out.

[R B Garr]

125. It is great. Your mental gymnastics, too.

Nice distractions!

[Tiggeroshii]

126. ...

[R B Garr]

127. .....

[Power 2 the People]

129. RB you are being foolish.What you're saying just isn't true.

I did not compare Hillary Clinton to Cenk Uygur. I compared Hillary's situation as a converted Republican to Cenk's situation as a converted Republican. Your assumption that because someone was once a Republican they should never be trusted is hogwash.

You tried to smear AOC and The Justice Democrats because they were endorsed by a person (Cenk) who was a former Republican and not to be trusted. I merely asked you not to be so narrow minded and reminded you of HRC's political history as an example of a former Republican who saw the light and became a Democrat.

All of your other machinations to dance around what I said is dizzying. I am in no way insulting the Clintons.

FACT: RB GARR says we should be suspicious of Justice Democrats because they are being endorsed by Cenk Uygur and he used to be a Republican.
FACT: Power 2 the People replied that it is wrong to sully someone's reputation simply because they were once a Republican. It would be wrong if you did it to Hillary and it is wrong that you're doing it to Cenk. It's just wrong!

[R B Garr]

132. LOL, You are just trying to bring up Hillary to deflect from the FACTS about Cenk Uyger

being an ex-Republican and who funded Justice Democrats. I suppose you think it is clever, but it is just more Clinton drama nonsense. Hillary Clinton never joined a group to attack Democrats from within like Justice Democrats has pledged to do to remove Democrats who they think do not meet their talking points. Hillary Clinton never did that. You are just trying to associate Hillary's name with Cenk so you can normalize a failed talk show host such as he is with a mainstream Democrat, a former First Lady, Senator and Democratic nominee. What a laughable fail. Today of all days should discourage you from dragging up the Clintons, as Hillary has been totally vindicated from the inane attacks against her by way of the two verdicts today -- all transparent criminal attempts to criminally deny her the White House. By way of those convictions and a plea bargain today, the criminal enterprise of Donald Trump may soon be crumbling, yet you are still trying to diminish the Clintons.

You also keep saying my name in the post in a completely transparent way to single me out. I see you joined a couple months ago, Power2thePeople, but your posts about the Clintons are very familiar, although maybe that's because you have seen them used on other websites.

FACT: Power2thePeople is misrepresenting what I posted to another poster who was comparing Hillary and AOC. Pwr2thePeople joined in with misrepresenting information about Hillary Clinton. Both posters have spent the better part of a day trying to diminish and misrepresent that other posters have good reasons to question the tactics of groups like Justice Democrats who attack Democrats from within. That is the point that they both refuse to accept and prefer to deflect and mischaracterize what is being said.
FACT: Pwr2thePeople kicked this thread again to once again sully Hillary Clinton in a silly comparison that was not in any of my posts. FACT: Hillary Clinton never joined a group like Justice Democrats, a group founded by a failed RW talk show host who had to take a job in the back channels to remain relevant. Note that it was implied and stated -- the complete nonsense that Hillary and Bill are Republicans. This of all things shows the inanity I was mentioning -- attacking Democrats by insinuating they are RW is exactly the kind of attacks that the Justice Democrats do -- they denigrate others in this manner as is being done to the Clintons in this post. They claim that only Democrats who support their talking points get their support. They are willing to endorse Republicans who parrot their talking points. Cenk Uyger is an ex Republican. He parrots their talking points. Cenk gets more support from that poster than the Clintons...?

[Power 2 the People]

133. Oy vey

[R B Garr]

134. Same to you. How utterly inane trying to compare Cenk Uyger with

Hillary Clinton. It makes my point for me about Justice Democrats. This is the kind of inane attack they use on others and why people question them. Thanks for showing how it's done.

[Power 2 the People]

135. ...

[R B Garr]

136. ....

This is the same tactic already used on this thread.

[Power 2 the People]

137. I know you love conspiracies but it's no tactic.It's actually...

[link:|]

[R B Garr]

138. No need for the silliness now. The Mueller indictments are not conspiracies.

You should turn on the news and see what is happening in those developments, the indictments today getting closer and closer to Trump, but all showing the criminal enterprises who attacked Hillary. edit: actually Trump also calls the Russia investigation a "hoax". It is not a hoax.

[Power 2 the People]

139. Finally we agree!!!

[link:|]

[R B Garr]

140. Lame. Silly pictures aren't really necessary.

Just stop.

[Power 2 the People]

141. Well, you know the old saying...

A picture is worth a thousand words.

[R B Garr]

142. Lame. It's funny how you think they are clever.

[R B Garr]

144. Lame. Your lame insults are just childish.

You are just frustrated and trying to switch the subject to me personally. It’s a very recognizable pattern. My husband and I just celebrated my birthday by taking the train up the coast and then driving into Monterey where he took me out for a great birthday dinner. Beautiful. Before we left on our overnight trip, he installed a new sink for me in the bathroom that we had picked out. Beautiful. Sorry about your sister with a cat in the studio, but your lame projections are just childish.

[betsuni]

146. I agree, those insults were unnecessary.

Thank you for your service in this thread.

[R B Garr]

148. Thank you very much, betsuni!

I appreciate that. These recycled tactics are so very recognizable. The inane insinuations about women’s value...etc.

Thx for your comment.

[betsuni]

151. You're welcome!

Can't believe it's still Whatabout Hillary/Goldwater Girl/DLC/Soros/Third Way/Republican-lite are still dragged out of the grave and propped up.

[R B Garr]

153. Yes, all the distractions were trotted out, and then the distractions

were all denied. Then personal insults that I must be just like someone’s poor sister who lives in a studio with her cat because no one wants her. So silly.

The distractions are very recognizable. Make everything about the Clintons, you nailed it. Thirty years old DLC sidebars clearly is what the GOP likes to promote. Cenk is ex GOP. edit, That was my original point early in the day about why people question Justice Democrats.

[R B Garr]

145. And we weren't in agreement. So quit misrepresenting

what people say and then telling them to shut up about your misrepresentations.

[betsuni]

147. Goldwater Girl/Soros/DLC/Third Way/Democrats are the same as Republicans/

The party has drifted Right over the past thirty years. So many old and musty talking points!

[emulatorloo]

64. Did you forget Hillary knocked doors for Gene McCarthy and worked on McGovern's campaign?

[Tiggeroshii]

66. Former party affiliation means nothing.

Which is what makes the attack on Cenk Uyugar so incredible.

[emulatorloo]

70. Yes Cenk is not a Republican. However TYT is funded by a Republican

So I believe that is what some are referring to.

Buddy Roemer firm invests $4 million in Young Turks Network

https://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2014/04/buddy-roemer-firm-invests-4-million-in-young-turks-network-186934

That being said I think AOC is great and will make a great congressperson! Was excited by her win and look forward to her campaign, even though I am not in her district

[Tiggeroshii]

73. If we are going to demonize everybody that has ever received large amounts of money from republicans

Nobody will be happy.

[R B Garr]

150. He gets money from Republicans. Makes you wonder what

a Republican sees in him to give him so much money. Ronald Reagan used to be a Democrat. I don’t remember any Democrats giving him millions.

[Power 2 the People]

71. Not at all. Was pointing out it was absurd to brand someone as tainted

because at one time they were foolishly Republican.

[emulatorloo]

72. Agreed

[betsuni]

128. Someone who never voted for a Republican in their life isn't an "ex-Republican."

[womanofthehills]

160. Why are you saying Justice Dems is funded by Cenk? - it's funded by people

None of the candidates are allowed to take corporate or big doner money.

[Tiggeroshii]

161. Best I can tell is a smear tactic

With no substance and randomly trying to intertwine the mueller investigation into it somehow. It seems puzzling and desperate.

[betsuni]

162. Like how an OP about AOC somehow turned into a Whatabout Hillary smear campaign?

With no substance and randomly trying to intertwine Goldwater Girl/Soros/Third Way/DLC/the party has drifted to the Right for the last 30 years/Republican-lite, etc., into it somehow. It seems puzzling and desperate.

[Tiggeroshii]

163. Notice whose doing that actually was

Clever. Disingenuous but clever.

[betsuni]

164. You.

[Tiggeroshii]

165. The comment that causes the outrage was pointing out the absurdity

Of criticizing democratic women. I implied that AOC shared elements of Hillarys greatness and somehow it was obscured into something else entirely. Clever but disingenuous all the same

[betsuni]

168. "Hillary was a Goldwater Girl who campaigned for him door to door ... ."

[Tiggeroshii]

170. You are quoting somebody else.

Nice try though

[Tiggeroshii]

166. This was my "Hillary bashing comment"

28. Truth
Pizzagate, causing benghazi, not smiling enough, not showing enough emails. Showing too many emails.Democratic women have a tendency to be a lightning rod for a crippling array of fake criticism.


If there is one thing AOC and Hillary have in common, it is that.

But how dare I compare two democratic women who withstood criticism while making headlines. Travesty!

[betsuni]

167. "DLC was also founded by an ex republican and we nominated one in the last election."

"This sounds too familiar except you replaced DLC and George Soros with Justice Democrats."

"If we are going to demonize everybody that has ever received large amounts from Republicans, nobody will he happy."

"Hillary was a Goldwater Girl and campaigned for him door to door ... ."

[Tiggeroshii]

171. Those points have been misconstrued as well.

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My point was how stupid those attacks are and how these attacks on AOC are just as idiotic. You might disagree with that point but stop pretending like i was doing something else entirely.

[R B Garr]

169. Republicans are people, so yes, it's funded by people.

If you know about Justice Democrats, you know that Cenk is the FOUNDER. No need to make a big deal over leaving a letter out (founder/funder), because the issue is still the same. But thanks for another opportunity to highlight the salient issue about Justice Democrats being funded/founded by Republicans. Republican Buddy Roemer gave Cenk $4 million. This is common knowledge. Those are the facts. That is why people question Justice Democrats and anyone they endorse and promote, all of whom seem to campaign against fellow Democrats more than Republicans. We need candidates who can campaign against Republicans. Attack Republicans instead.

[Tiggeroshii]

172. This nonesense is reminiscent of most nonesense used to attack democrats by democrats

If you think democrats are really attacking democrats, you should stop the cycle.

Classic line: 'they're really a republican!" Used for generations against all breeds of democrats. No they arent and knock it off. It's old.

[R B Garr]

173. Your denials won't change the facts. Both are Republicans*, not your what-about-this

and what-about-that from literally decades ago. It looks like the truth bothers you and you are trying to deflect. It's quite bizarre when ex Republicans get more loyalty, understanding and such outright worship than an elected President, First Lady, Senator, a Presidential candidate.

You are just trying to deflect because the facts about Justice Democrats don't match the rhetoric from that group about changing and disrupting our party. I realize there is a limited focus on "corporations" as being all evil and these facts about the funding of Justice Democrats takes away attention from that limited focus. Facts are facts. Knock it off yourself.

edit-Buddy Roemer, Republican, gave Cenk Uygur, ex Republican* $4 million for Justice Democrats. That is what people are questioning, not the other distractions you are trying to promote.

[Tiggeroshii]

174. Who cares?

That doesn't make justice democrats like beto o rourke less democratic.

[R B Garr]

176. Yes, I know that only the touted talking points are tolerated, so no

wonder you don't care when the facts interfere with those. That has been very evident. That's why I've pointed out the errors in your assumptions as to why people question the candidates that Justice Democrats supports since you refuse to acknowledge that there other considerations, such as if people are being duped since Justice Democrats are founded/funded by a Republican/ex Republican.

[Tiggeroshii]

177. Gee golly

A whole lotta nothing. Good day.

[R B Garr]

178. Well golly gee willikers, same to you. Only the touted talking points.

Facts about a Republican giving $4 million to an ex-Republican don't matter, which is why I've provided these facts instead of the spin that is being presented here. Some do care that Republicans are finding very creative ways to divide Democrats. Those facts are all over the Mueller indictments. More facts -- current news.

[Tiggeroshii]

179. Gee golly whiz

Holy guacamole.

Repeating yourself doesnt make it more relevant.

[R B Garr]

180. Holy cannoli, boom chaca laca laca

This is a fitting end to your fact free efforts of the talking points that excluded the facts about a Republican and ex Republican founding/funding Justice Democrats. Thank you.

oh, and nice edit -- of course it has to be repeated because of the obvious efforts to distract. Your distractions don't change the facts.

[Tiggeroshii]

181. See its like we see things identically

About the way we feel about the other person's point of view. Fascinating.

[R B Garr]

182. Facts are not a point of view, though. They are more like

a basic structure of reality.

[Tiggeroshii]

183. Agreed.

[NurseJackie]

38. No, the criticism is deserved. AOC's mistakes and missteps are real.

crippling array of fake criticism

I hope she learns to swim before she jumps into the deep end again. Those who willingly and eagerly seek the national spotlight need to be better prepared than she was. All I'm saying is that it will forever be impossible to take seriously someone who shouts "look at me! look at me!" and then shuns the attention and blames others for doing what she wanted them to do in the first place.

If there is one thing AOC and Hillary have in common, it is that.

No, Hillary never did that. EVER!

[Tiggeroshii]

41. Your reasoning sounds identical to those justifying their criticism of hillary

In 2008 and 2012. And yet it is still just as relevant.

[NurseJackie]

45. Ha!! :-D

Your reasoning sounds identical to those justifying their criticism of hillary

No justification needed, or offered. Just telling it like it is. Accept it or not, makes no diff to me... but you can't change the facts by comparing AOC to Hillary... she's just not there. Maybe someday, a lifetime from now, but not yet. She's still learning and has made many many many entirely avoidable mistakes. She's made many bad decisions and associates with groups that regularly smear Democrats and the Democratic party.

And yet it is still just as relevant.

She WISHES she was as relevant as Hillary. All I'm saying is that this newcomer has made (and continues to make) easily avoidable mistakes and it will be a VERY VERY long time before she is "just as relevant" as Hillary (if ever).

That's like saying Nina Turner is as relevant as Hillary. (Hint: She's not either.)

[Tiggeroshii]

48. Well you are certainly helping make her relevant

So thank you for that

[NurseJackie]

55. That word isn't really as flattering as some believe it to be...

Well you are certainly helping make her relevant

That word isn't really as flattering as some believe it to be. And if that's the BEST her followers can come up with, then her career may not be as long as (or as meaningful as, or as influential as, or as inspiring as, or as persuasive as) someone like Hillary Clinton.

All I'm saying is that these veiled comparisons that she's the "next Hillary Clinton" or that she has all the import and stature as HRC are premature. Very premature and undeserved.

Who knows what the future holds, but her newbie mistakes and missteps can't be ignored or glossed over, especially if she (or her followers) expect her to learn anything from them. She should spend more time wading around her own local pond before jumping into the deep end of the national pool and before associating herself with organizations that regularly smear Democrats and the Democratic party.

Maybe she'll improve as she gets older and more mature. Let's hope so.

[George II]

84. Oh the irony. And THAT is one of the big differences!

[bigtree]

23. fascinating how much AOC's critics and detractors serve to elevate her profile

...thanks for all the kicks, invisible posters.

[NurseJackie]

25. I guess that's one way to try and put a "positive spin" on things...

... too bad it's not a very realistic or believable one.

What I'm trying to say is that it's a shame that considering all her "energy" and "enthusiasm" she really hasn't been more unifying. She's unified her followers, but her eagerness to raise her own profile and jump into the deep end of the pool before she's learned to swim has been a mistake, and distracting... and that's too bad.

Look, these are all newbie mistakes... she should have focused more on polishing her OWN image and abilities before venturing out into the national spotlight... and then shunning the attention she sought. It doesn't reflect very well on her judgement or priorities, that's all.

I hope she finds her footing before it's too late.

[demmiblue]

36. Ah, the invisibles.

[NurseJackie]

40. Oh, how charming! Yes, we know...calling someone "invisible" or "the invisibles" is code-talk, and...

... it's a (not so subtle) backhanded accusation that the poster is a "troll" or a "Russian bot". I guess it's easier to insult when one is losing.

Thank you.

[bigtree]

46. it's a shame I can't see their posts

...but at least I'm providing a place where they can talk to themselves.

[demmiblue]

52. DU is a far better place without all the drama. n/t

[R B Garr]

157. That's funny you are talking to yourselves and missed

that most of the posts were about Justice Democrats being founded by an ex Republican who also gets money from a Republican. Then the rest of the posts were attacks about the Clintons from 30 years ago. But you are talking to yourself while convincing yourself that others are talking to themselves. I love ignore, too. So many interesting stories...

[RhodeIslandOne]

131. How silly

"OMG she's goofing off with some friends. What an immature idiot!!!!!!!"

I thought politicians were taking the sticks wedged up their asses these day but I guess not!

[NurseJackie]

17. Well that's certainly a, festive, pose! She looks like she's having a good time.

[George II]

19. Apparently she's not a fan of some of her coworkers (according to twitter)

[m-lekktor]

31. damn, AOC sure has triggered you and your ilk!

I feel really fucking bad about that.

[smirkymonkey]

33. No! Not the Coffee Shop Bar! I loved that place!

It was a Union Square institution. I hate seeing places like that close down.

[dsc]

37. It is too bad the owner couldn't figure out a way to hang on until she won

I would think he then could monetize the connection by having a booth for her and her staff or that kind of thing.

[RandySF]

57. Which is why

Municipal government and policy are so important yet overlooked.

[pecosbob]

68. and all the usual suspects line up to trash AOC...whaddaya know.

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Edit* Now I'm seeing some of the same venom being directed at Senator Warren...it's a bit more subtle than with AOC, but very much there.

[bigtree]

74. for such an endearing photo

...AOC is grassroots advocacy in action.

It's a beautiful thing, for our party and country. Encouraging for the future to have so many (younger) voters identifying with our party in support of these younger candidates.



(...lol, I only have about 25 responses out of 80 showing on my page right now )

[Glamrock]

154. Holy crap!

You're right! What a vocal little clique! There's 152 replies now. I see 39. I have 4 people blocked. Or maybe 5. Regardless. Insane!

[sheshe2]

156. Well

For the time I have been here, I never once put anyone on ignore. I like to hear all opinions. I am able to pick and chose who I want to listen to and respond to. I am not fearful of those I do not agree with.

You may never read this as I am most likely on your ignore list. Carry on.

[Power 2 the People]

86. Yep.With same passive-aggressive advice/criticism

Tiring.

[demmiblue]

89. She is a young woman of color... I am not surprised.

Disgusted, but not surprised.

[Power 2 the People]

93. Never thought of that but you may have a point.

So many frivolous and mocking comments about her. Very strange on a forum for Democrats.

[sheshe2]

158. Her color has nothing to do with it.

It is her words (direct quotes) and actions (banning the press).

Shame on you for making it about the color of her skin.

[betsuni]

159. You are calling DUers racist.

Disgusted, but not surprised.

[RhodeIslandOne]

130. What is the big deal???

This is a person going back to her roots, showing some humility, not big timing people and forgetting where she came from.

I have some problems with AO-C but this is not one of them.

I wish more politicians would be willing to "lower" themselves for a minute.

[jalan48]

149. I like her because she comes from a working class background and without the sense of

entitlement seen in some politicians.

[ucrdem]

175. She's cute as a button but doesn't show much interest in the welfare of her future constituents.

Their place of employment is closing its doors she tweets, and the rest is all about her. Well, what about that restaurant? Is it moving? Is the building being demolished? Have her friends found new jobs? If not, does she have a plan to help them out? What about the neighborhood? These are the kinds of issues she's supposed to be interested in and she has nothing to say about any of it?

[melman]

185. 'She's cute as a button but doesn't show much interest in the welfare of her future constituents'

Incredibly sexist, condescending and dismissive.

ps. This place is in Union Square. That's Manhattan. Nothing to do with her district and these are not her future constituents.

[bigtree]

188. it's as if none of the concerns expressed mean a thing

...outside of some cynical political attack.

There seems to be no limit to the attacks allowed here against this Democratic nominee. It just encourages more attacks on our party, this one full of bigotry and demagoguery, on a board which purports to be a haven from all of that.

[ucrdem]

191. The concerns are what the office she's seeking are about. She's not a tourist. She lives in NYC.

She's seeking an office with real responsibilities that she completely ignores in her tweet. I think that merits comment.

[R B Garr]

186. +1, I saw a Yahoo article saying closure was due to

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higher minimum wage.

*owner Charles Milite is quoted as blaming rising rents and wages. That is what the owner is quoted saying.

[bigtree]

187. this is a meme straight out of the republican playbook

...but you use it here as an indictment of this Democratic nominee.

Higher minimum wages are not generally the cause of job loss. In fact, in states which adopt a higher minimum wage, employment actually increases.

It's sad that, not only are you advocating against this Democratic nominee here, you're using false and conservative propaganda in the effort.

[ucrdem]

189. She needs to address the issue. It's a campaign message that shows no interest in the office

she's seeking. Her friends have lost their livelihoods and this is what she tweets? And if it's not a campaign message she shouldn't have used @Ocasio2018.

[bigtree]

192. bullshit

...you know nothing about her friends or their business, much less about her campaign.

Stop advocating against this Democratic nominee.

[ucrdem]

194. As it happens, she's one of two Democratic nominees on the Nov. ballot.

And if you didn't want comments, why did you post her tweet?

[melman]

197. This again?

No she's not 'one of two Democratic nominees.' She's the only Democratic nominee.

[ucrdem]

198. The Democrat who holds the office is on the ballot under a minor party line.

And if he's no longer a Democrat, please post a link documenting his change of party, TIA.

[melman]

203. "on the ballot under a minor party line"

Exactly. Thus, not a Democratic nominee. As you well know.

[ucrdem]

204. He's a Democrat and won that nomination as a Democrat. He's a Democratic nominee. nt

[bigtree]

201. google, 'sea-lioning'

...

[R B Garr]

190. Owner Charles Milite said it was rising rents, too. You can Google

his words. Maybe he’s a liar.

[bigtree]

193. but you said it was a higher minimum wage.

...I'm going to put you in with the invisibles.

Apparently the argument is the AOC needs to account for the problems this area she's not actually going to be responsible for is experiencing, outside of what she's already advocating economically.

Further, you apparently want to argue that higher wages are responsible for job loss, a conservative lie, and you want her to participate in that charade.

Lot's of folks to argue with on the other side (I won't be there). Ignore, ignore, ignore!

[ucrdem]

195. The point is that AOC says nothing about why they lost their jobs

or whether they've found new ones. In a Democratic campaign communication, one would expect her to express some interest in this issue.

[bigtree]

199. how do you know what she's said?

...you're getting all your news and info from a vanity tweet and a mystery article.

You haven't shown any interest in what she's actually advocated, but you're quick to criticize her for not speaking out about something or the other. This isn't a serious query, it's false concern for her campaign, this restaurant, and the district which she isn't going to be responsible for representing.

I've had enough. Let me do this thing to make you disappear...

[ucrdem]

200. You posted it. nt

[bigtree]

206. it's an innocuous photo

...which you used as an excuse to attack this Democratic nominee with nebulous bullshit and shifting concerns.

This Democratic nominee should not be the subject of ad hominem attacks on this Democratic board.

AOC has an economic policy, fully outlined, and brilliantly advocated. Argue that, not this vapid nonsense about what she should say, or has said about this restaurant. You seem to have resource for everything but AOC's actual positions.

Find one, post about it.

[ucrdem]

207. She sent it from her campaign account.

Link to tweet

You posted that link, too.

[bigtree]

208. it has her policy positions there

...sophistry to pretend she was encouraging this kind of nonsense by posting this photo.

It shouldn't escape anyone that people actually concerned with her race against her republican opponent aren't engaging in this

[R B Garr]

196. He said BOTH. LOL, look it up. His words.

I only scanned the articles to see if the owner was quoted, and he was. I gave you the name. Maybe he’s a liar...

Restaurants go out of business all the time . Very few say it’s to spend more time with family.

LOL at the drama of your ignore list, which I only mention because you did.

[R B Garr]

205. I see you did a big fat edit on your post

since I responded with the owners name. I haven’t “argued” anything. I just gave the owners name and said that I looked for an owners quotes as to the reason they are closing. Nothing else in the article interested me, just to see if the owner was quoted.

You can figure out how to contact him, so go ahead. You should call him and tell him you know he’s lying.

[RandySF]

202. If I lived in NYC

I would run for city or state office. That’s where you can do the most for your neighbors.