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Close The Catholic Church (Original Post) PaulX2 Aug 2018 OP
and take the damned repugs with them samnsara Aug 2018 #1
I wish that churches had no tax exemption. 2naSalit Aug 2018 #2
Religion and politics use each other to gain wealth and power. keithbvadu2 Aug 2018 #15
My Dad is a Catholic priest, as was my great uncle... jodymarie aimee Aug 2018 #3
What?...nt SidDithers Aug 2018 #10
See my #9. MineralMan Aug 2018 #11
There is no rule that says Catholic priests cannot be married Drahthaardogs Aug 2018 #14
Perhaps this is the Polly Hennessey Aug 2018 #4
What's happened is horrible, but it's not going to do that. bearsfootball516 Aug 2018 #8
Not likely to happen, Polly. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #20
The French tried to abolish the Catholic Church dalton99a Aug 2018 #25
Thanks, Dalton - very informative. Never studied much of that chunk of history. KY_EnviroGuy Aug 2018 #29
KY_EnviroGuy, Polly Hennessey Aug 2018 #28
No more than Trump is the crack in the structure... LanternWaste Aug 2018 #27
ISO: Catholics who may have been a victim of, or witness to, sex abuse at the CYO Boys Camp In JoeOtterbein Aug 2018 #5
Wait a minute, Polly Hennessey Aug 2018 #6
There are some married priests in the RCC MineralMan Aug 2018 #9
Ah ha, Polly Hennessey Aug 2018 #12
It's pretty rare to find a married priest, though. MineralMan Aug 2018 #13
I used to go to church whose pastor was married Quemado Aug 2018 #26
Pass out the wealth to end poverty worldwide. BSdetect Aug 2018 #7
RCC is a criminal organization AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #16
Reform catholic orthodoxy. Allow women priests will go a long way to solving problems Pepsidog Aug 2018 #17
You don't know DownriverDem Aug 2018 #18
not on its own, we must bankrupt it state by state AlexSFCA Aug 2018 #19
I understand why you posted your statement, but let's get back pazzyanne Aug 2018 #23
It is a good thought, however Perseus Aug 2018 #21
This won't make a difference catchnrelease Aug 2018 #22
Catholic priests are not more into pedophilia than other men TomVilmer Aug 2018 #24
Let's close all churches. The problem is not just catholic WhiteTara Aug 2018 #30
The Catholic Church is hardly alone in its history of religious abuse get the red out Aug 2018 #31

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
15. Religion and politics use each other to gain wealth and power.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:09 PM
Aug 2018

Religion and politics use each other to gain wealth and power.

 

jodymarie aimee

(3,975 posts)
3. My Dad is a Catholic priest, as was my great uncle...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:01 AM
Aug 2018

your suggestion is kind of flip. Nobody is going to dissolve the entire C Church. I get your outrage, but this isn't the answer.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
14. There is no rule that says Catholic priests cannot be married
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:41 AM
Aug 2018

I know a priest who was a married Methodist Minister and them converted die to problems he had with Protestant theology.

Orthodox priests routinely marry, but Bishops must be celibate.

The priesthood would benefit from laying aside this old Ran Rite tradition.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
8. What's happened is horrible, but it's not going to do that.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:13 AM
Aug 2018

Organized religion has been around for thousands of years. What was unearthed last week, while incredibly disgusting and disturbing, isn't going to bring down organized religion.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
20. Not likely to happen, Polly.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:44 PM
Aug 2018

Philosophers have said for centuries that so long as there's fear of the unknown in humans, there will be religion in some form. It's also a big business for many and they'll fight it, too. I think it was Freud that suggested that millions of years ago, the minute the human species stood upright and became self-aware, he invented a god to quench his fears.

My preference would be to turn all the churches into community centers - a valuable service to humanity they have stolen from many areas around the world.

dalton99a

(81,455 posts)
25. The French tried to abolish the Catholic Church
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:10 PM
Aug 2018

and ended up replacing it with the Cult of the Supreme Being


The Festival of the Supreme Being, by Pierre-Antoine Demachy (1794)

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
29. Thanks, Dalton - very informative. Never studied much of that chunk of history.
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:57 PM
Aug 2018

(snip)

Toll on the Church
Under threat of death, imprisonment, military conscription, and loss of income, about twenty thousand constitutional priests were forced to abdicate and hand over their letters of ordination, and six thousand to nine thousand of them agreed or were coerced to marry. Many abandoned their pastoral duties altogether. Nonetheless, some of those who had abdicated continued covertly to minister to the people.

By the end of the decade, approximately thirty thousand priests had been forced to leave France, and several hundred who did not leave were executed. Most French parishes were left without the services of a priest and deprived of the sacraments. Any non-juring priest faced the guillotine or deportation to French Guiana. By Easter 1794, few of France's forty thousand churches remained open; many had been closed, sold, destroyed, or converted to other uses.

And, from the page on Cult of the Supreme Being:
This rejection of all godhead appalled the rectitudinous Maximilien Robespierre. Though he was no admirer of Catholicism, he had a special dislike for atheism. He thought that belief in a supreme being was important for social order, and he liked to quote Voltaire: “If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him”.
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Robespierre believed that reason is only a means to an end, and the singular end is virtue. He sought to move beyond simple deism (often described as Voltairean by its adherents) to a new and, in his view, more rational devotion to the godhead. The primary principles of the Cult of the Supreme Being were a belief in the existence of a god and the immortality of the human soul. Though not inconsistent with Christian doctrine, these beliefs were put to the service of Robespierre's fuller meaning, which was of a type of civic-minded, public virtue he attributed to the Greeks and Romans. This type of virtue could only be attained through active fidelity to liberty and democracy. Belief in a living god and a higher moral code, he said, were "constant reminders of justice" and thus essential to a republican society.

We'll never see anything like that in America - because of capitalism and religion's usefulness to politicians to stoke fears into the lemmings. Too much money to be made on stuff like megachurches, guns and fancy cell phones. Regardless, all the churches need to get down off their high-horse and contribute better to the dirty work of having safe, healthy and humane communities open to all people.

Polly Hennessey

(6,793 posts)
28. KY_EnviroGuy,
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:56 PM
Aug 2018

you are right. Fear of the unknown is a powerful fear. One that most people cannot face without some kind of assurances.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
27. No more than Trump is the crack in the structure...
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:32 PM
Aug 2018

...that brings all organized nation-states down.

I mean, if we're wishing about the removal of imaginary constructs we allow to order our lives and all, let's dream BIG, and start with the most controlling and most absurd!

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
5. ISO: Catholics who may have been a victim of, or witness to, sex abuse at the CYO Boys Camp In
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:07 AM
Aug 2018

Sparks, MD. Near Baltimore.

Agreed, the Catholic church is a criminal enterprise that abuses others at will. They need to dissolved.

MineralMan

(146,287 posts)
9. There are some married priests in the RCC
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 10:15 AM
Aug 2018
Exceptions are admitted and there are over 200 married Catholic priests who converted from the Anglican Communion and Protestant faiths. In most Orthodox traditions and in some Eastern Catholic Churches men who are already married may be ordained priests, but priests may not marry after ordination.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_celibacy

That could explain it.

Quemado

(1,262 posts)
26. I used to go to church whose pastor was married
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:22 PM
Aug 2018

My wife and I attended a Catholic church several years ago whose pastor was married. He started off as a married Episcopalian priest who converted to Catholicism, then became a Catholic priest and was allowed to be a Catholic priest and be married at the same time.

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
16. RCC is a criminal organization
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:26 PM
Aug 2018

that has no place in the US. This institution has been involved in systematic child rape, cover up of thousands of felonies even at higher levels of administration. It has paid billions in the US alone to shut the victims. Everyone who attends their services or donates money to them is complicit and is an accomplice to the most heinous crimes. Parents who leave their children with priests are de facto commiting child endangerment. I bet more states will be moving forward with grand jury investigations. Let’s bankrupt this criminal enterprise once and for all, it’s way past reforms - the very foundation is rotten. If after reading the Pennsylvania grand jury report you can still call yourself catholic, you are part of the problem and bear responsibility for thousands of ruined lives. The word catholic is now synonymous with child rape, not something you want to be associated with in any way. Any other smaller organization religious or not would have been banned long ago for half the crimes RCC has commited.

pazzyanne

(6,549 posts)
23. I understand why you posted your statement, but let's get back
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:56 PM
Aug 2018

to the main problem facing the entire nation at this time. Unless you are Catholic, let the Catholic parishioners take care of the churches' problems. This happened in Minnesota a few years ago, but not to this extent. Catholic parishioners stepped up to the plate, and things have been resolved by local churches.

Meanwhile, we need to focus on saving our nation from tRump and his cabal.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
21. It is a good thought, however
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:54 PM
Aug 2018

Anyone who speaks/reads Spanish should read this book "EL CATOLICISMO EXPLICADO A LAS OVEJAS" by Juan Eslava Galan. The book is written with a lot of humor, even though it is a serious topic and everything in it is very well researched, but after he points out the obvious fantastic (fantasy) stories about religion in general and that of the Catholic Church, to my surprise because as you read it you come to the conclusion that he is an atheist, but nonetheless he makes the argument, an economic argument I should add, on why the Catholic Church must remain.

Unfortunately, I don't know that it has been translated to English, which is a shame, although I don't doubt the church may have had something to do with it. He is a great writer, I have a read a few of his books and they are all very entertaining and informative.

Any catholic who reads this book will start doubting many of the myths and stories that surround their religion, and any other religion for that matter.

Anyway, what I was trying to get to was that I used to think like you, and reading the book I understand why it would be impractical at this time in human history to get rid of the Catholic Religion. Should tax exempt status and other perks they enjoy be taken off? Yes, they should, it would force them to do more charity with their money.

catchnrelease

(1,945 posts)
22. This won't make a difference
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 12:55 PM
Aug 2018

Has everyone forgotten back in the early 2000s, all of the same kind of scandals? Boston, Cardinal Law, the outrage, etc. People thought it would sweep things clean and the church would stop these kinds of abuses/coverups. Give it a few more years and we'll be hearing the same things from another city or state. In fact I'll bet there are priests and bishops etc out there sweating it right now, wondering if they will be outed next.

TomVilmer

(1,832 posts)
24. Catholic priests are not more into pedophilia than other men
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 01:05 PM
Aug 2018
While the total number of sexual abusers in the priesthood is much higher than those guilty of pedophilia, it still amounts to less than 2 percent — comparable to the rate among married men.
https://books.google.mv/books?id=qXFjAgAAQBAJ&lpg=PR2&pg=PA82#v=onepage&q&f=false

... but if you are trained as a priest, and children are given to your care, it is still too much.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
30. Let's close all churches. The problem is not just catholic
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:45 PM
Aug 2018

but religious "leaders" who use their power over others, rather than using their power to lift others up.

get the red out

(13,461 posts)
31. The Catholic Church is hardly alone in its history of religious abuse
Mon Aug 20, 2018, 02:56 PM
Aug 2018

It's just the oldest, richest, and biggest.

At the very least Churches should be taxed.

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