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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsTo the Coal Miners going on Faux News Today
Im talking about the ones that are blaming President Obama for a miserable eight years of their lives Under his
presidency, and who are now calling President Trump a great American for bringing back coal, which does do
damage at all, its just a liberal lie.
I hope they can promise me one thing, when they get fuckin lung cancer, when their kids get lung cancer, when
their grandkids get lung cancer for breathing in filthy air, please dont go back on Faux News and blame,
Obama care.
Would they just promise me that?
canuckledragger
(1,636 posts)Those conservatives will ALWAYS blame someone else for their own self-created problems.
It's why they're in the spot they're in now, and will always stay there.
pazzyanne
(6,547 posts)I pity the people so stuck in their past that they cannot look toward a brighter future. These are the same people that refused to use the paid for reeducation program offered to them to prepare for jobs of the future. So sad.
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)"Black lung" is still among the health questions that are asked patients. Coal is bad for everyone, but especially miners.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)and has nothing to do with breathing in coal dust. Obamacare makes people sick and poor, don't you know?
pazzyanne
(6,547 posts)Unfortunately, it is part of millions of people's core belief. My 93 year old Mom once said when talking about my evangelical humper sister that she "didn't have the sense that God gave her when she was born." It always amazed me that Mom was a Democrat as she was raised by parents who were staunch Republicans.
IronLionZion
(45,427 posts)when it happens over multiple generations we can see grandkids being more like their grandparents than their parents.
pazzyanne
(6,547 posts)The Wizard
(12,541 posts)new mining techniques and automation combined with decreased demand eliminated coal jobs. Blaming Obama is bigoted bullshit peddled by Pox News and hate radio. The unwitting dupes who support Trump and the Repubics didn't want to hear it when Hillary offered them training and education to transition into other fields of employment. It's easier to con people than it is to convince them they've been conned.
FSogol
(45,476 posts)Your 2nd thru 4th sentences are spot on.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)T
The plan would also relax pollution rules for power plants that need upgrades. That, combined with allowing states to set their own rules, creates a serious risk that emissions, which had been falling, could start to rise again, according to environmentalists. ...
The move follows a separate decision this month to freeze Obama-era fuel efficiency standards that were also aimed at reducing greenhouse gas emissions. These are the two biggest sectors of the economy that contribute to greenhouse gases in the country and are just hugely significant in terms of emissions, said Janet McCabe, the Environmental Protection Agency air chief under Mr. Obama. Together the transportation sector and the power sector account for more than half of the countrys emissions, according to the agency.
The science is just getting clearer and clearer every day, Ms. McCabe said. I dont know how many times people need to hear that were having the warmest summer on record or how many storms people need to see. This is no fooling.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/climate/trump-clean-power-rollback.html
The miners aren't the only ones who need to worry about lung problems. Regulations in place have cleaned up a great deal of air pollution, but ozone levels are rising with climate change. Increasing pollutants plus ozone, which is very damaging to the lungs, will/would create health problems far beyond what we used to experience when air pollution was worse.
Incidence of childhood asthma has been climbing anyway and death rates, though still rare, have also been climbing in the past few decades. If these people won't worry about their own lungs, they should be worrying about their children's.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,168 posts)You know, the Trump booster Bob Murray from WV, complete with the oxygen tubes running up his nose.
blueinredohio
(6,797 posts)but if they actually work in the mines they'll probably get black lung. My father, one of my grandfathers and one of my uncle's all died from black lung and they all worked in the coal mines.
oasis
(49,376 posts)Last edited Mon Aug 20, 2018, 08:07 AM - Edit history (2)
Idiots.
marble falls
(57,077 posts)Thank-God for the UMW and Jock Yablonski.
Don't blame the miners, blame their bosses, the union breaking Congresses and a public that turned their backs on unionism with the rise of Reagan.
PaulX2
(2,032 posts)Themselves. Same thing. Coal is like cancer to our planet.
dembotoz
(16,799 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)farmbo
(3,121 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)....don't realize that most were closed because there wasn't any more useful coal in those mines. And as they're closing, the mining companies don't open new ones because it's not economically feasible to them.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Facts don't matter to these people. They have an agenda to push.
FakeNoose
(32,633 posts)Well, they don't want to hear that! They hated her for it, and I guess they blamed Obama. How do they think it's his fault? Coal burning is terrible for the environment, and it's a dangerous, unhealthy job working in the mines. These people need to understand that the Dems are trying to help them retrain for better jobs in safer areas.
magicarpet
(14,144 posts)Make America Great Again - like yesterday when coal was king, government regulations did not hurt industry or coal mining jobs, and coal miners could make $60,000/year working in the coal mines.
Forget coal mining automation.
Forget advancing technology.
Forget cheap natural gas prices.
Forget mine safety.
Forget black lung disease.
We want to turn back the clock and it will magically be yesterday when all was good and America was prosperous.
Fantasies are sufficient - reality is un-wanted and un-necessary.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)Oh, Big Daddy Government, let me keep doing my job even though it's totally unnecessary because I feel like I'm owed a living. Whatever happened to being a "rugged individualist" and educating yourself how to do a job that ISN'T obsolete? If I worked in a field that was going the way of the dinosaur, I'd learn to do something else rather than whining to the government. It's that whole, "pull yourself up by your bootstraps" thing again. Funny how they're big on that when it's SOMEONE ELSE who needs to do it.
ChoppinBroccoli
(3,784 posts)My next door neighbor works for the EPA and is often sent to West Virginia. He's really frustrated because he goes down there and finds coal plants dumping coal waste into the water supply and he's basically powerless to do anything other than shrug his shoulders at it.
So I say let West Virginia keep voting Republican, let them poison their own water and their air, and eventually their population will dwindle to the point that they're an electoral afterthought. In fact, every deep red State should be allowed to ignore ALL safety regulations of every kind. The problem will sort itself out.
I swear, sometimes I wonder if the American people are smart enough to govern themselves. I don't think the Founding Fathers ever envisioned a populace this stupid.