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bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 09:19 AM Aug 2018

So what happens when Trump

Revokes the security clearances of every Democrat on the Senate and House intelligence and Justice committees?

What will it take to get the "American People" to take to the streets?

When will the American version of Bastille Day take place?

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So what happens when Trump (Original Post) bluecollar2 Aug 2018 OP
To do that IS violating the US Constitution. ...... ProudMNDemocrat Aug 2018 #1
I appreciate your sentiment bluecollar2 Aug 2018 #3
Don't Give Him Any Ideas Leith Aug 2018 #2
He has "nearly unfettered power": dalton99a Aug 2018 #4
I think you are spot on bluecollar2 Aug 2018 #5
Democrats are practically powerless in this matter. dalton99a Aug 2018 #6
I tend to agree. bluecollar2 Aug 2018 #8
This message was self-deleted by its author politicaljunkie41910 Aug 2018 #9
It seems like the Constitution gives us only one solution treestar Aug 2018 #7
And the right to assemble bluecollar2 Aug 2018 #10

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,321 posts)
1. To do that IS violating the US Constitution. ......
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 09:34 AM
Aug 2018

We take to the streets.

We demand our Senators and Reps in the House hear us out be they Republicans.

We write letters to the Editor of our local papers.

We VOTE out every GOP Traitor.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
3. I appreciate your sentiment
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 09:41 AM
Aug 2018

But if your Representatives and Senators are Republicans I doubt there will be any response.

And since the Republicans control the ballot box, voting them out stands a snowball's chance in he'll.

I'm afraid it's going to take more than letters to the editor and phone calls and votes.

I'm not suggesting those aren't the first steps, I'm just suggesting they may not be enough.

Leith

(7,802 posts)
2. Don't Give Him Any Ideas
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 09:39 AM
Aug 2018

How the hell does a hair furor have the "right" to remove security clearances, anyway? Shouldn't that be done through a process removed from the Oval Office? Or have his minions just enacted policies on their own?

dalton99a

(80,907 posts)
4. He has "nearly unfettered power":
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 09:51 AM
Aug 2018
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/17/us/politics/trump-conspiracy-bruce-nellie-ohr.html

Embracing Conspiracy Theory, Trump Escalates Attack on Bruce Ohr
By Michael D. Shear, Katie Benner and Nicholas Fandos
Aug. 17, 2018

...

Longstanding legal precedent gives presidents nearly unfettered power to confer and revoke security clearances — though Mr. Trump’s predecessors have always delegated that authority.

Security clearance determinations are usually made by lower-level officials, so it would be highly unusual for the president himself to decide whether Mr. Ohr kept his clearance. Mr. Ohr would typically be entitled to at least two levels of appeal to the revocation of his security clearance, including at least one in-person meeting with senior officials where he can argue why his revocation is not justified.

But the process for stripping a clearance is set forth in an executive order that Mr. Trump can amend, according to Bradley P. Moss, a national security lawyer specializing in security clearances. Mr. Ohr is also not entitled to judicial review because the process is entirely administrative.

In a 1988 case involving the Navy, the Supreme Court ruled that clearances are a function of the president’s role as commander in chief and that neither the courts nor Congress can intervene.

“That has evolved into the situation we have today whereby the president has nearly unfettered legal authority to determine who does or does not get a security clearance,” said Sean M. Bigley, a lawyer who also specializes in security clearances. “Security clearances are the Wild West of the law.”

...

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
5. I think you are spot on
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 10:30 AM
Aug 2018

With your last question.

His minions have decided to go for broke. They're daring us to stop them.

Typically bullying behaviour and we're letting them get away with it.

dalton99a

(80,907 posts)
6. Democrats are practically powerless in this matter.
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 11:11 AM
Aug 2018

Republicans are in control of everything in Washington.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
8. I tend to agree.
Sat Aug 18, 2018, 12:52 PM
Aug 2018

It's going to take one hell of a blue wave and a very strong message.

My concern is that the elections are too far off.

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