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Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:51 PM

 

Re: Manafort... What is considered a fast deliberation timeline?

I know that guilty verdicts usually come back from deliberations fairly fast... what is considered fast? 2 hours? 5 hours? Just curious.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:53 PM

1. In a case this complex, with so many charges,

I wouldn't expect a quick verdict. Deliberations must be done on each charge, specifically. It's not an easy case for the jury at all.

They're not going to rush to judgment, and unanimity may be difficult to come by on all charges.

Patience...

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:54 PM

2. A conscientious jury would work through each count-

They aren't going to just vote guilty and call it a day.

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Response to dawg day (Reply #2)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:57 PM

3. Exactly. There will be at least one member of the jury

who will insist that each count be discussed. If I were on that jury, I'd be that guy, for sure. I take jury duty very seriously.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:58 PM

4. Most of the evidence is in the form of financial documents,

and there are a lot of them. I would not expect a verdict today even if they are leaning toward a conviction.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 02:59 PM

5. Lawrence O'Donnell's panel was predicting a few days

just because there are so many different counts that they have to work through and some of the bank fraud stuff was complex.

They reckon guilty on most if not all of the charges but a fair amount of deliberation time to actually look at all of them.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:04 PM

6. Anything less than 1-2 hours per charge would be crazy fast

 

For each charge they have to go over what the charge is, what the legal standard and elements are of that crime, the evidence, take a vote, then if they donít agree deliberate, vote again, etc.

Back in under 20 hours would mean the prosecution did an amazing job.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:07 PM

7. I doubt it will be a lightening fast vote, but I believe it will be by the end of this week.

Some accusation were SHOWN to be GUILTY on their face and won't require much deliberation, but some will require quite a bit. You also have to take into consideration the fact that "Jurors" as a rule don't like to go over weekends, so I'm thinking they'll do a;; th hey can to wrap it up by the end of Friday.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:23 PM

8. 18 counts will take a while.

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Response to fallout87 (Original post)

Thu Aug 16, 2018, 03:28 PM

9. I might expect an annoucement by the end of tomorrow on an agreement on some but not all charges.

In which case the judge will send the case back to the jury for further deliberation until either there's an agreement or a clear deadlock.

Just my gut feeling. It's possible he might skate on some charges, but I'm betting he'll be convicted of others.

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