Question:

[bluestarone]

If RUMP pardons Manafort, do you think Mueller will call him (Manafort) before a grand Jury? I understand he could no longer plead the 5th if he accepts the pardon? Any thoughts here?

[uponit7771]

1. Red Don will commute Manaforts sentence like Bush did for Libby but my understanding

... the state can bring charges against Manafort also

[bluestarone]

2. Right but i'm thinking Mueller could STILL get him to testify or JAIL the bastard!!??

[hlthe2b]

7. Yes.. Mueller could then subpoena him to testify (and could not plead the fifth on Federal matters)

[NightWatcher]

3. There's the kicker. The way I see it (and I'm probably wrong but)

If he parsons Paulie Walnuts for this trial, Mueller will want truthful testimony. If he fails to answer Mueller's subpoena, he'll be in contempt. trump would have to pardon his contempt charge and we'd go round in round in court and drag out forever.

Like I said, I'm probably wrong.

[bluestarone]

5. Well i think you right But would be nice to keep Manafort in Jail awhile!!

[unblock]

4. He can still invoke the 5th, just not related to the specific pardoned charges.

If his testimony might incriminate him regarding a federal crime not covered by the pardon, or any state crime, he can still take the 5th.

[bluestarone]

6. Gotcha there BUT

Wouldn't he have to answer questions about RUMP?

[unblock]

8. Only if his answer wouldn't tend to incriminate him in a non-pardoned offense

Of course he can always not remember....