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Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:35 PM

Help me out of my pessimism. I think that convictions are going to be very difficult.

This country is so divided now it's like two religions. There seems to me little chance that that other side would serve correctly on juries. I gather that from my daily interactions: THEY JUST DON'T CARE if laws were broken; all they care about is winning against what they see as the moral evil in this world: "liberals". Their ends will justify their means... Republican criminals must walk free because they share the same religion.

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Reply Help me out of my pessimism. I think that convictions are going to be very difficult. (Original post)
Goodheart Aug 2018 OP
Goodheart Aug 2018 #1
elleng Aug 2018 #2
Mike Nelson Aug 2018 #3
DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #6
Blue_true Aug 2018 #4
Hoyt Aug 2018 #5
walkingman Aug 2018 #7
Codeine Aug 2018 #8

Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:35 PM

1. This is the world that Limbaugh and Fox have wrought.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:39 PM

2. Depends on the forum,

'convictions' come in many kinds. Most juries take their responsibilities seriously. Congress, that's another thing, THEY only care about their necks.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:41 PM

3. You are being realistic...

conviction, for Trump, requires 2/3 of the Senate. In the present Congress, that's not likely - maybe things will change after the mid-term.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:17 PM

6. It sounds like he's referring to criminal trials.

That's why we have voir dire and unanimous verdicts.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 04:49 PM

4. Sometimes I want us to breakup into two separate countries.

Then I slow down to think about what history teaches us. Excesses in a society self correct. The religious right is ruling now, but soon they will be afraid to claim that they are part of it, because the rest of society will be aggressively countering them.

Think of what happens when you are in a grocery store, standing in line at the motor vehicle place, talking to another person. If that person says something that leave you feeling that they are super religious, you instantly defer to them, seldom do you confront then, even if you are an atheist. The religious right has abused the difference that the rest of society accorded them, they are now going to extremes, the rest of society will push back and take things back to a former state equilibrium by rolling back the excesses of the religious right.

Just think of how you would have felt during the red scare phase of American history, when some questioning of government could have cost your job or even landed you in jail. I have learned to weigh contemporary times to events from the past, I feel society is better now, although we have dangers like Trump and his followers, and republican office holders.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:15 PM

5. Unfortunately, when it comes to folks like the criminal trump kids, it will be difficult

to find a jury without a few ignorant white wingers who might hang the jury.

Don't believe trump will ever be tried except perhaps through impeachment. Doubt he'll lose there, either.

But, indictments might cripple trump. That's worth the effort and just maybe there are enough true patriots -- not the white wing gun-stroking types -- to prove me wrong.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:49 PM

7. If I were a gambler I would say nothing will happen. I think Nov. will be significant and telling.

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Response to Goodheart (Original post)

Sun Aug 5, 2018, 05:57 PM

8. Relying on courts and trials and impeachment

 

is silly. We can - and I believe WILL - vote him out in a few years and then spend a decade running his name and reputation into the dirt. We can destroy his family, his fortune (such as it is), and his historical legacy in exquisite detail as his old-ass supporters finally stroke out in a loss-induced rage.

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