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Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:54 AM

People: Don't fall for the Giuliani ratf*ckery regarding Cohen tonight

Lanny Davis says that Cohen did not release that information regarding the Trump Tower meeting and Don Jr.

Giuliani appears to have set in play a dark op tonight, in order to damage Cohen's value to Mueller. Giuliani set it up anonymously, then went on camera to rake and razz and lie about Cohen betraying Trump with lies and so on.

If Cohen's potential testimony is devalued by leaks attributed to him, a deal with Mueller becomes less likely. Which means that Cohen would be gored.

Strategic gutting by Giuliani. See it for what it is. Trying to ruin Cohen.

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Reply People: Don't fall for the Giuliani ratf*ckery regarding Cohen tonight (Original post)
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 OP
Glamrock Jul 2018 #1
UCmeNdc Jul 2018 #4
manor321 Jul 2018 #7
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #15
manor321 Jul 2018 #2
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #5
manor321 Jul 2018 #6
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #10
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #16
Dream Girl Jul 2018 #3
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #12
herding cats Jul 2018 #20
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #8
unblock Jul 2018 #9
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #11
H2O Man Jul 2018 #13
onecaliberal Jul 2018 #14
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #17
applegrove Jul 2018 #18
Grasswire2 Jul 2018 #19
applegrove Jul 2018 #21
dlk Jul 2018 #22
RockRaven Jul 2018 #23
Iggo Jul 2018 #24

Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:56 AM

1. I thought NBC confirmed Cohen told them...

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Response to Glamrock (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:01 AM

4. I thought CNN did the initial report.

Did they check their sources?

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Response to UCmeNdc (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:05 AM

7. NBC has independently confirmed that Cohen asserts these claims.

 

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Response to manor321 (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:18 AM

15. see Lanny Davis statement posted below nt

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 12:59 AM

2. You're missing the story

 

Every time a legitimate bombshell breaks, we get idiotic posts like this.

As clearly explained on Maddow tonight, Cohen's willingness to testify is critical to prosecutors, so he still has something to offer. Prosecutors can't use an anonymously sourced news report.

And this information is devastating to Trump.

Who leaked it and why is a minor sideshow.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:02 AM

5. I believe you are thinking in too shallow a manner.

I suggest that you follow Seth Abramson on Twitter.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:04 AM

6. I do follow Abramson, closely

 

This thread is dumb. Sorry.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:08 AM

10. your opinion

Abramson and all the others who are on NBC this evening discussing the ratf*ckery by Giuliani seem to have more experience than you do (or I), and I'll give them the benefit of their experience.

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Response to manor321 (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:23 AM

16. ....If you follow Abramson closely..

...you would know of his response to the events of tonight. Or maybe you think he's dumb.

And, in case you think you are writing to a noob here, I am an old timer with 14 years writing content and 50,000 + posts, recently returned.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:00 AM

3. This theory is off.

 

Cohen would still be very valuable and his evidentiary testimony is still needed. It makes little difference that this has leaked. The reporters pushing this are thinking of this as scoops that lose their value once info has gone public.

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Response to Dream Girl (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:11 AM

12. Prosecutors tonight on MSNBC were warning Cohen...

...that he's about to lose his chance to make a deal with Mueller by telling this info tonight. (which Davis says he didn't do)

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:51 AM

20. The people on TV don't know what Cohen has or knows.

Neither do the people on Twitter or even Giuliani. Only Cohen and his attorneys know that information.

Personally, I'm not letting others set the narrative for me when there's too many variables to make any conclusion.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:06 AM

9. That might have been the plan, but it's a very stupid plan.

So it certainly could be something Donnie and ghouliani thought up.

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Response to unblock (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:09 AM

11. certainly could be

It allowed Giuliani to both set up the scene, and then beat Cohen up in one evening.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:13 AM

13. The sky is falling!

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:13 AM

14. Prosecutors will need Cohen to testify so this doesn't devalue him.

There will be corroborating evidence. Both dump Jr and his dad lied and conspired.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:25 AM

17. yes

But Giuliani took the opportunity to roll the dice and beat up Cohen in the court of public opinion. Cohen can and will testify, but his chance of cutting a deal is losing ground (according to prosecutors on NBC).

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:28 AM

18. Giuliani has been trying to slowly release the truth after many Trump lies.

Don't know if you are right and tonight is another case of it, plus tanking Cohen as an asset to Mueller. Could be. Might not. We don't have enough information. I guess the purpose of Giulliani cleaning up Trump lies are so that when Mueller does file publicly much of it will seem like old news.

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Response to applegrove (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:45 AM

19. That's a bit of it, some commenters said on MSNBC..

...trying to get ahead of the story. Yes. What I posted is not my opinion, but the statement of Lanny Davis and the analysis of Seth Abramson, who has 517,000 Twitter followers.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 01:53 AM

21. Yes i wondered about it too after I heard MSNBC said that it was Trump's team that

released the story tonight. But I do not get MSNBC so I could not speculate.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:05 AM

22. A Desperate Ploy for Desperate Times

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 02:37 AM

23. Trump and Rudy seem to think this is a matter of public opinion... it's not.

No amount of smearing Cohen on cable TV is going to diminish his usefulness as a cooperating witness *enough* for a) US Att for SDNY to not want his cooperation, b) Mueller to not want his cooperation, c) AG for State of NY to not want his cooperation. But it does irrevocably burn the Trump-Cohen bridge via betrayal of silences, and publicly implicate Cohen in federal and state (which Trump/Pence/other-POTUS can't pardon) crimes.

Rudy f-ed up bigly. He is driving Cohen towards making a deal, not driving prosecutors away from making one.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2018, 09:04 AM

24. LOL.

You know where you are, right?

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