Cenk Uygur: Bernie Sanders will win the 2020 primaries "easily"

[Nero Mero]

Linking to a video of an enthusiastic crowd in Wichita, Kansas, the Young Turks host said:

Link to tweet

Mr. Sanders trail Joe Biden in all 2020 primary polls conducted so far.

[VOX]

1. Oh, Sweet Jesus. It's a hard rain's gonna fall. n/t

[JHB]

2. Riiiiight. A hard wind's gonna blow...

...and Cenk blows his wind harder than most.

[Itchinjim]

4. Cenk who?

[RestoreAmerica2020]

81. Not familiar with 'cenk' term, what does it mean.

[jmowreader]

93. In case you're serious...

Cenk is Cenk Uygur, former Republican turned progressive and head of The Young Turks.

[RestoreAmerica2020]

96. Thanks! Yes, Cenk Uygur. JHB #11 reminded me who this guy is; have limited access to utube , podcas

This thread

JHB# 11. Cenk fell (loudly) for every horseshit anti-Hillary claim shoveled out during the election
There's a difference between being dissatisfied with the Democratic Pary leadership and being a complete sucker.

A very big, Trumptacular difference.

A "wreck everything you say you want to accomplish" difference.

[NCTraveler]

5. I agree.

His Presidential campaign never stopped. His multiple year campaigning advantage will be difficult to overcome.

Eight person field and Sanders walks away with it. Three person field and he is out early. The field will be eight or more people, in my opinion.

[trueblue2007]

89. he is not a DEMOCRAT.

[NCTraveler]

101. I agree.

They have given him resources in the primaries for decades. Some states have made moves to stop the BS. The national party recognizes the issue. I don’t think they are going to disallow it.

[OilemFirchen]

92. He has LOST support since the election.

Significantly.

Any of the names being floated will easily dispose of him early on.

[NCTraveler]

100. I agree with your last sentence.

I don’t see it being any of the names. I see it as being multiple solid options. He can lose some support and still build early momentum in a large field.

[comradebillyboy]

113. Then we can anticipate a McGovern level debacle in 2020...

[Blue_true]

115. If Joe gets in, Joe beats him like a drum.

I even that Harris can beat him rather handily since she appeals well to the democratic base (the true base, not the one calling itself the base).

[manor321]

6. Not in states that will require tax returns. LOL.

[former9thward]

22. Yes, but those laws are unconstitutional.

In U.S. Term Limits v. Thornton (1995) the Supreme Court said the states could not add requirements for ballot access. The income tax laws will be tosses as soon as a qualified candidate challenges them.

[George II]

84. I don't think that decision applies to primary ballots, the rules for which are established....

...by the parties and/or legislatures in each state.

That's why we have different types of primaries (open, closed, semi-closed) and caucuses.

[former9thward]

85. You may be right.

Constitutional experts are divided. But even Gov. Jerry Brown vetoed the bill in CA. The state's lawyers said it was unconstitutional. Brown said it would lead to no end of requirements for health records and everything else to get on the ballot.

[George II]

86. That was a state law, and probably violated the state constitution (not familiar with that)...

...on the other hand, I'm sure the state party committees or even the national committees can impose restrictions on who can be their nominee in primaries or ultimately the general election. They're not prohibiting any candidates from running, just not running under their name.

[EffieBlack]

88. I don't think Thornton applies to this

States are permitted to set rules for ballot access, such as requiring a candidate be a resident/eligible to vote in the state, etc. I believe that requiring a candidate to release tax returns falls into those categories and is not a "qualification" as addressed in Thornton.

[Brother Buzz]

7. As a third party candidate, Cenk Uygur?

DNC panel adopts rule requiring candidates to run, serve as a Democrat

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/391459-dnc-panel-adopts-rule-requiring-candidates-to-run-serve-as-a-democrat

[trueblue2007]

90. and Bernie has ont changed his party affiliation.

i vote Democratic

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

129. Give Bernie time... I expect he will change his party affiliation to Democrat if he runs in 2020.

[trueblue2007]

130. changes to being a democrat JUST to run. Why won't he do it now?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

131. I agree, the sooner the better if he intends to run.

[Me.]

8. Of What Party?

he belongs to neither of the 2 major...WFP?

[JHB]

11. Cenk fell (loudly) for every horseshit anti-Hillary claim shoveled out during the election

There's a difference between being dissatisfied with the Democratic Pary leadership and being a complete sucker.

A very big, Trumptacular difference.

A "wreck everything you say you want to accomplish" difference.

[Wwcd]

40. Start with Putin & work your way to the last of the parroting of the KGB propaganda.

Its a long list.

[JCanete]

38. really? Every horesehit anti-hillary claim? There are a lot. What were the horeshit claims Cenk

fell for?

[JHB]

75. Are you kidding?

The Young Turks
Published on May 6, 2016

The Young Turks
Published on Aug 23, 2016

The Young Turks
Published on Nov 1, 2016

[George II]

95. Thanks for finding those videos. They're just examples. No, Cenk/TYT/JD are not Democrats' friends

[JHB]

99. "Finding" them consisted of searching on YouTube for "TYT Hillary emails"

Hell. it took longer to copy&paste them to DU than to find them.

I mean, jeez, it's one thing to disagree. But to deny? When it's so frikkin easy to find?

I supported TYT for a while because we really do need a real liberal media, one that engages people and provides a day-to-day inoculation against RW propaganda that warp perspectives like so much background radiation.

And there are real reasons to have beefs with the Clintons.

But there are big differences between that and having your head up your ass, and Cenk was on the wrong side of that equation. Did he fall for anti-Hillary Horseshit? "Of Coooooooouuuuuuurrrrrrse"

[Tarheel_Dem]

107. It's been nearly 10 hours, and the person who asked you prove it, hasn't responded. Hmmmm...

Thanks for providing proof.

[JHB]

108. Well, 7.5 since my reply with the videos...

...and people have real-life schedules, so I prefer to give the benefit of the doubt on that score.

Unlike the rank denial that Cenk swallowed horseshit. There's so much evidence, it's like denying a sunrise.

[Tarheel_Dem]

109. Agree about the "real life schedules", but I sensed that you were being challenged because the....

poster didn't believe that the evidence actually existed.

[BannonsLiver]

44. +1

And so did the person you’re responding to, apparently. Fascinating to watch people get so easily duped isn’t it?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

97. No question Cenk "jumped the shark" & has gone overboard w/ his "anti-Dem" schtick...he's dead to me

[jodymarie aimee]

32. 1 million percent

with you on this...sometimes folks get kind of clique- Y on here... Bernie BAD Hillary GOOD....3rd grade stuff !!

[Wwcd]

42. Then we sure have A LOT of 3rd graders ! That clique- Y

clique- Y..3rd grade stuff works both ways.
You haven't noticed?

[Cha]

106. Hillary is GOOD!!!

Link to tweet

Wwcd

[Wwcd]

110. She knew it all. She warned America. She did the right thing for Her Country.

Too many betrayed Her & this country, by believing in the compromised propaganda of our Media, before believing in the knowledge of a global Leader, who stood before Her country with warnings of what was to come with a man like Donald Trump & Vladimer Putin.

Millions chose Her for this very reason.
They knew Her & believed in Her abilities to govern and turned their backs to the propaganda of the compromised Media.

Millions put their complete faith in Her hands because they knew Her worth to the world.

[Cha]

112. America Chose Hillary! putin wanted

the perverted Fraud.. so with willing assistance from Enablers trump was rigged in.. and here we are.

[Garrett78]

45. Cenk is an idiot, though. He insisted that Sanders was going to win the 2016 nomination...

...long after it was clear that Clinton was going to win the nomination. That race was essentially over by the 2nd week of March.

[JHB]

74. If I'm one of the "Bernie BAD" people, why did I vote for him in the primaries?

If I'm one of the folks who were "get kind of clique- Y" why did I become a TYT member some years back, only to cancel it because Cenk was too busy despising the Clintons to pay attention to the real threat?

[Cha]

94. Who and What are you responding to? Talk

about "3rd grade stuff".. look at your own post.

[Cha]

105. Hillary is GOOD! Josh Marshall.. Hillary's Words Hold Up Pretty Damn Well..

Link to tweet

[Thekaspervote]

62. The DNC has already established that the 2020 candidate must be an active democrat

Kinda leaves Bernie out. No more using the dem party, leaving when you don’t win- going back to bashing Dems including President Obama

[brush]

69. I'm with you. No repeat of the 2016 debacle of using the party.

Cenk and all the low-post-count bots and so-called democratic socialists can crow all they want about Sanders being bound to win but he has no chance as a third party candidate.

All he would accomplish is as a spoiler aiding trump's re-election.

And the DNC would face wholesale revolt if they allow him in to divide the party again, so welcome to Jill Stein, third party territory, Bernie.

[blue cat]

64. I was a fan of both of them

Now I trust neither of them. Bernie should have his own party and his own discussion site because he isn’t a Democrat. He most certainly didn’t help our party. I’m fact it seems like he damaged it.

[Hekate]

73. Let me point out that by the numbers HILLARY WON. It took TREASON and...

...and new Jim Crow laws, Cambridge Analytica and all manner of voter suppression tactics, and she still got 3 million more votes than Trump.

The Democratic message resonated with more people than Trump. Hillary's message resonated with more people than Trump's.

And just one question for you and Cenk, Raysawesome34: if Bernie decides to run for potus again, which party is he going to run in? He's not a Democrat, and after his behavior last time, he surely is never going to get the backing of the Democratic Party apparatus again.

Last time around he lost in the primaries -- Hillary got the nom fair and square. He lost, she won. And if it had not been for now-verified treason, she'd be in the White House now.

[katmondoo]

10. This time I am not voting for him

[smirkymonkey]

15. Neither am I. I voted for him in the last primary, but will not this time around.

If anything he has lost a lot of support and doubt he has made up the gain. Enough. Bernie won't win.

[handmade34]

12. hope not...

Bernie needs to go back to work and quit screwing with the Democrats!!

[Garrett78]

13. The same asshat who insisted Sanders was going to win the 2016 nomination well after...

...it became clear (by mid-March) that Clinton was going to win the nomination.

And the reduction in caucuses is only going to make it even more certain that Sanders won't win in 2020.

[MrsCoffee]

14. Russian propagandist says what?

[irisblue]

16. Yea...no

I liked & respected him once, but no. Dude, really no

[blue cat]

17. He may win his own party nomination

But he won’t be running as a dem. I lost respect for both Cenk and Bernie.

[Me.]

61. He Doesn't Have A Party

[JDC]

18. I will support whichever candidate I need to to win.

If it's Bernie, I will vote for him. Including in the primaries. If it is someone else, count me in. But I refuse to say I will not vote for him purely out of my bitterness about Hillary's loss. Period.

[JDC]

24. I disagree. I find it to be super supportive and positive

Are there strong opinions? Sure. Do we get passionate? Most certainly. But if you truly care about liberal causes and beliefs - I think you will find this place to be great. There is a lot of support here. Give it a little time.


Welcome to DU.

[Snotcicles]

28. It didn't use to be. A lot of good long time progressive DU'ers got purged

through an easy to rig jury thing awhile ago. I'm surprised I managed to last this long. But if your into sarcasm and vitriol you'll find plenty of that.

[BannonsLiver]

46. Now they're over at JPR

Rooting their asses off for Trump, still as dead inside as ever.

[BannonsLiver]

54. "I've seen JPR"

Oh, I bet you have.

[R B Garr]

56. Yes, I bet you have seen a lot of JPR.

[brush]

70. It's "Democratic Underground", not Independent Underground.

[ismnotwasm]

19. Fuck him

[Stallion]

21. Sorry I Only Vote for Democrats

[Captain Stern]

23. He didn't win our primary (NC) last time.

And, I voted for him.

I won't be voting for him in the primary next time. So, he's already one vote behind 2016.

[oasis]

25. Cenk should ask Bernie about getting a peek at those taxes.

[oasis]

34. If Independents don't throw in with us, they screw themselves, again.

[oasis]

36. We have plenty of solid Democrats to choose from between now

and 2020. The situation is not as desperate as some would make it out to be.

[oasis]

53. Right now, the total focus of the Dem Party is on 2018

and that's where it should be.

[George II]

67. Exactly, the 2020 DEMOCRATIC contenders are concentrating on the 2018 elections.

[Garrett78]

43. Most so-called "independents" are highly partisan.

See here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210843333

Sanders doesn't have the support of the Democratic Party base. That's why the 2016 race was essentially over by the 2nd week of March (Cenk continued to insist long after that that Sanders would win the primary, which goes to show he's pretty clueless). If it weren't for caucuses, the final delegate count would have been even more lopsided.

Caucuses are disenfranchising (many aren't able to or inclined to take part in a long and public caucus process), which is why many states are finally doing away with caucuses in favor of primaries. Look at the states that held both a caucus and a primary, such as Washington. The level of turnout *and* the result was much different between the two, even though the primary results - in each instance - were essentially meaningless (in that no delegates were awarded). Higher turnout and greater diversity is bad news for Sanders.

To say Sanders has a chance at winning the 2020 nomination is questionable. To say he's certain to win the 2020 nomination is pure lunacy.

[oasis]

59. ⬆️THIS 100%⬆️

[Quixote1818]

79. So that means a good chunk of Independents are very liberal

[Garrett78]

83. It means most are really either Democrats or Republicans and not...

...swing voters who need to be won over.

[Wwcd]

48. He needs to ditch his ties to Tad Devine first of all.

Tad's trail goes through Paul Manafort & straight to Putin.

Glad Mueller is handing us a reason to be running in the oppisite direction of Bernie Sanders.

Wtf more does one need to see.

TAD DEViNE STILL works for Sanders, even with all that's been given us by Mueller.

I cannot wait for the day Mueller indicts the complicit.
Let the chips fall....then it will all be known and over & the Democratic Party, the Party of human rights for all citizens, will once again be standing ready to put the fractured Nation back together & make it whole & functioning.

The true Democrats will always remain while the usurpers will be made known.

Thanks Demicrats, for your careful & good governance.

[George II]

66. The other obvious 2020 contenders aren't campaigning for 2020 yet.

[brush]

72. Ahhh...no one else is running yet. There's the matter of the Nov. election...

to win at least the House and blunt traitor trump.

First things first.

You'll actual Democrats after that.

[RandySF]

27. Cenk who?

[Tiggeroshii]

29. With all this "misspeaking" going on

Maybe he meant 2018?

[TeamPooka]

31. maybe if we switch to an all caucus format but other than that I don't see it. Fresh face in 2020

[RandySF]

37. Bernie drew crowds everywhere, including states that he lost.

[crazycatlady]

39. What is the track record of his Justice Democrats?

[BannonsLiver]

41. "And if he doesn't I'll work even harder to divide Dems!"

“Why? because I’m Stenk! And that’s how I spend my GOP money! Yay!”

[samnsara]

47. Wow there are some divisive comments on his twitter thread about this...

..isnt this what we were warned against? now Im not sure who the bots are..Im just blocking them all.

[LonePirate]

50. Ha ha! Sanders will fare worse in 2020 than he did in 2016.

His campaign will be over once the south rejects him again just like in 2016, even if he refuses to acknowledge that his campaign is over.

[Blue_true]

116. I agree. He has a tough climb.

He may win the Iowa caucus and New Hampshire, but unless he eliminates Harris during that time, his chances deminishes. Once the race goes to Nevada and the South, Harris gains an enormous advantage. And with California moving up it's primary, she could virtually close the door on him with a big win there.

[Garrett78]

119. It continues to bug me that IA and NH start things off.

2 states that don't remotely represent the Democratic electorate, yet carry a lot of weight by virtue of being first.

Screw tradition. Get rid of all caucuses and have other states go first. Such as Illinois and Maryland.

[Blue_true]

120. I agree. Two or three solid blue states should go first.

The current system have two non representative states (for democrats) going first. That isn't right.

[Garrett78]

124. If not solid blue, at least states that reflect our electorate demographically.

[StevieM]

132. I think there will be another Californian running, Tom Steyer, and I believe that he will surprise

a lot of people.

[lapfog_1]

52. I really hope that Bernie, Hillary, and even my favorite VP of all time, Joee

decide to not run. We need someone new on the national stage.

[empedocles]

57. Agreed . . .

. . . and we need someone that can win - a broad base candidate

[radius777]

55. Sanders will only win some white states

that resemble the VT demographic, like he did last time. (And there will be less or perhaps no caucuses.. even many of the states he won he actuallly would've lost if faced a primary instead, which has far greater turnout.)

He was destroyed with PoC and metro areas, which are much more the base of the modern Dem party that heartland populists. Hillary won almost every metro area and almost every diverse state across the country.

He also isn't winning any of the southern states that Hillary utterly destroyed him in it, where the Dem constituency is heavily black. Recall Bernie dissed those voters, calling them conservative, also.

Also, this time Sanders isn't coming out nowhere... he's a known quantity and many rank-and-file Democratic voters.. ie Clinton/Obama Dems.. can't stand Sanders and blame him for damaging Hillary etc, view him as a Nader.

And the young'uns usually want something new.. Sanders is old news by now. He won't get the kidz like last time and millennials are moving into middle aged.. will want more establishment/centrist Dems.

Then you're going to have new faces like Booker, Harris and perhaps Castro running... centrist types who can reboot the Obama coalition.

Stir it all together and Sanders will get far less votes than he did last time, when it was a one on one with Hillary, who played 'prevent defense' and didn't really fight him - knowing she would later have to unite the party.

The media also wanted a "horserace, not a coronation" and built Bernie up into something much bigger than he was... race was mathematicallly over by early March. Sanders hung around ironically to try to flip superdelegates and there were some Berners who were hoping Hillary would be indicted and were waiting for Comey to release his findings (Comey came out with his grandstanding speech in June, iirc), had visions of H in an orange jumpsuit with Bernie rising victoriously to assume the nomination lol.

[R B Garr]

58. Yes!

The supposed vanquishing of “Establishment” Dems is all a myth. The opposite is happening. Enough of the chaos and lies. People are wanting a stable, familiar, reassuring face amidst all this. Establishment now just means successful.

[Cha]

125. Yes! Establishment means

experienced and successful! You got it. RB!

[Garrett78]

60. Which is why it was so clear that Clinton had won the nomination by mid-March of 2016, as...

...I've pointed out many times before, such as in post #43 of this thread.

Yet Cenk insisted long after mid-March that Sanders would win. He's clueless.

[Cha]

126. Or Gaslighting.

[Blue_true]

117. Yeah, I remember.

I think if Booker stays out of the race and Harris gets in, if Bernie does not finish off Harris in Iowa and New Hampshire, he can't win the nomination because the rest of the way heavily favors Harris. If Harris stays close to him in Iowa and New Hampshire or defeat him in one or both of them. he is done period.

[OhZone]

65. Of what 3rd party? And to my memory -

Cenk used to point out lies and propaganda.

But since Hillary started running, he passes on lies and propaganda.

He has no more credibility.

IMHO

[NBachers]

68. This was my kickoff for the 2016 campaign. I changed my loyalty when I saw how his abusive cultists

were treating Clinton. I started off as a Sanders supporter. I evolved into a Clinton supporter. I won't go back. I'm voting for the Democrat.

[JI7]

71. Is He Going to Release His Taxes ?

[uponit7771]

122. +1, is stupid to repeat the same mistake twice

[beachbum bob]

76. bernie not going to run and besides he won't be allowed in the democratic primaries, he is not

a democrat

Uyger is on drugs

biden not going to run either,

we don't know who will be our nominee.

[Mike Nelson]

77. He's running...

… but what Party? Do the other parties have primaries?

[JaneQPublic]

78. Cenk must've missed the news...

...that Dems are cutting back on caucuses, which provided BS his best luck in 2016.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/caucuses-primaries-democrats-unity-commission

[John Fante]

80. And if Sanders doesn't win, look for Cenk and the Russian bots to push

the "DNC screwed Bernie" narrative extra hard. Ratfucker.

[StevieM]

91. It won't be nearly as easy to sell without sexism to back it up. (eom)

[Blue_true]

118. I don't think even sexism will work this time.

With Trump routinely washing and kissing Putin's feet, they will need a lot more than lies and sexism to win this time around.

[still_one]

82. Leave it to Asshole Uygur. instead of pushing for people to get out and vote for Democrats in the

midterms, to spew bullshit based on speculation that may or may not happen

He is a f**king jerk

[Seasider]

87. Bernie had his shot in 2016

He'll get a lot of support from TYT and others in 2020 but I don't think it will be on the same level as 2016. Voters will be looking a new fresh face to represent the party. That's just the way it usually goes. All it takes is for someone like Elizabeth Warren or Sherrod Brown to throw their hats in the ring.

What TYT conveniently ignores about Biden is that he's someone who still carries an enormous of clout in the party. Yes, he's had 2 failed Presidential runs though I doubt Bernie would've fared much better if he ran in 1988 and 2008. But he was Vice-President to a popular President for 8 years and unlike Bernie he has a great personal story to tell. He's persevered through deep family tragedies in his life and that resonates with a lot of people. Having said that, I will be surprised if he runs but TYT in my opinion are being incredibly naive by dismissing his chances if he became a 2020 candidate.

[AmandaRuth]

98. Awesome. Go for it

Just NOT one cent/resources/shared service from the Dems.

[Adrahil]

102. Great, Bernie will trash the party for a year before losing. Again.

What could go wrong!?

[NurseJackie]

103. Well, here's the thing...

(...no he won't!)

[Eko]

104. Oh ya,

those 150 or so people are going to win the country, no doubt.

[AtomicKitten]

111. Bernie's got my vote.

[Blue_true]

114. Well, big crowds.

I want someone younger as our nominee, but if Bernie jumps in, I want Joe to get in.

[Quayblue]

121. ...

[Raine]

123. I love Bernie, always have and

always will but I think we need someone new who hasn't run for president before.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

127. If he wins a second term, Trump will think he's invincible.

He'll be right.

[Cha]

128. If the russians Rig him in again.

It's already reported they're hacking or going to hack the midterms