Putin says Trump gave up Crimea and other parts of Ukraine.

[triron]

https://hillreporter.com/putin-says-trump-gave-up-crimea-and-other-parts-of-ukraine-during-private-summit-4097

Is this OK with congress?

[Iliyah]

1. For one thing, Ukraine does not belong to the United States.

[triron]

4. Come on. That's not what is meant.

[Ms. Toad]

16. My reaction, as well.

It's not ours to give.

[eleny]

25. This is about the sanctions Trump will lift

[Midnight Writer]

2. If Putin says so, I reckon it is. Will any of them dispute him?

[Igel]

21. Do you automatically believe that Putin always tells the truth? n/t

[no_hypocrisy]

3. I reiterate: Nice going, Neville . . . .

[GulfCoast66]

38. There is a whole other school of thought about Neville

Britain only begun to build up the military. He knew if Britain confronted and fought Germany at that time they would lose decisively. And he was building up the military quickly.

As it was Britain barely had the power to hold off Germany during the battle of Britain. Had the war begun earlier who knows?

Some think he took one for the team. But no one ever suggested that Hitler had something on him.

Even if he was a srooge, I’ve never heard that he was not honorable.

Trump is just totally fucked. He can’t say no to Putin cause Putin has the goods on him. But he really can’t give him what he wants. Putin knows this, and it’s just playing it out for as long as possible.

[beachbum bob]

5. Sounds like Neville chamberlain move...if you know your history

[madinmaryland]

7. I don't recall Chamberlain sucking up to Hitler (or even idolizing Hitler).

[beachbum bob]

9. You need a refresher course....chamberlain appeased hitler every step of the

way.

[madinmaryland]

10. Chamberlain was being blackmailed by Hitler??

[dflprincess]

13. Neville was naive

I don't think he rolled over to keep German bankers from calling in his loans

[Scurrilous]

6. "...we shall surrender on the beaches, we shall surrender on the landing grounds..."

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. ...

[aquamarina]

32. I see what you did there.

[kimbutgar]

8. I refuse to support a war for Putin

Putin is going to invade Ukraine and Crimera, piss off Nato, who will retailate and will try to align the US with Russia to fight Nato. WW3 scenario to keep Twitler in power. The question is will Fox and the Reich wing media industrial complex be able to promote and sell it and will the Mainstream get behind it as well as the US Military?

Nationalism 101 for Putin and Russia. Reunite the former USSR.

[joshcryer]

11. Remember the Putin apologists here defending his taking of Crimea?

And the months of posts defending Russian backed mercenaries in eastern Ukraine?

And downplayed the downing of MH17?

I do. I'm glad they're no longer around these parts.

Or they don't have the guts to post their propaganda anymore, now that it's obvious that Putin has been behind this shit all along.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

15. I'm thinking many of those were bots

They seemed to have a rather low post count.

[Midnight Writer]

23. Saw one just today.

[oberliner]

24. Yep, lots of articles from Counterpunch and RT

Back when RT was popular around here.

[SidDithers]

28. I remember another_liberal posting nothing but RT and sputnik...

for months and months on end.

There were lots of Russia apologists here.

Thankfully, most of them are polluting the internet at JPR now.

Sid

[joshcryer]

30. Russia's war in Ukraine was equal to 10 9/11s.

The amount of glee and support Russian operatives "vacationing" in Ukraine was absolutely mind boggling disgusting. And one thing that Putin did, offering passports and pensions for Ukranians, is going to backfire, as Russia's pension system is in such disarray, a lot of people are going to be shafted.

[Xolodno]

40. It was insinuated I was a Putin Apologist....

...because I advocated that Crimea had no business in being part of Ukraine. Even Kruschev's "transfer" violated international norms. Then one could even argue that the transfer was just an administrative transfer and not a territorial one. But that's another debate...

However, I also advocated that Crimea and some territory north belongs to the Tatars. And their nation should be reinstated...hell the Balkans have set precedent for this. Plus many of the Tatars have been expelled from their homeland and we've made arrangements for another country whose residents were expelled thats been gone for over 1500 years, and given significant more territory than what were the borders back then.

And I've been soundly dismissed on this issue...one person even quipped, "Europe will never allow an Islamic Nation on its continent". My view is, well tough shit, they were an Islamic Nation on a European Continent and should have rights back to it if your trying undo the "empire" model.

[joshcryer]

41. In principle I agree that Crimea has more connection to Russia than Ukraine.

I never argued that Crimea "belonged" to Ukraine. I found the eastern Ukraine civil war that Putin provoked far more insidious. At the time I distinctly recall saying Crimea should be a gimmie, give it back to Russia, and to defend eastern Ukraine from infiltration.

I also grieved for the Tatars and I know that under the Russians it won't end well. There is already a lot of reports of the return to the same ethnic BS that happened before.

Ukraine cut off Crimea's water/power if I recall correctly and I remember being resoundingly against that (I abhor collective punishment in all its forms).

But the way Putin took Crimea was wholly illegal, and bullshit. He did it in the middle of a constitutional crisis / revolution with Ukranians ousting his pro-Russia puppet in the country (which he helped escape). They landed "vacationing generals" with troops and just ... took Crimea. That they were able to do it so easily showed that Crimeans leaned Russian so it's not controversial.

But the idea. The idea of a country just landing troops and taking a territory by force and manipulation, it's ludicrous and should never ever be applauded. Which is what happened then, with people here.

[Garrett78]

12. And a big reason why a private meeting is such a problem is that Putin can claim anything he wants.

If Trump is compromised, and I think we all know that he is, he doesn't dare call Putin a liar even if Trump didn't make those offers.

Only the translator would tell the truth, and even that's no guarantee.

[onecaliberal]

14. They're not his to "give up"

[brush]

17. Ok, but not Putin's to take either.

[janx]

18. The Hillreporter is referencing this article from Bloomberg:

"Putin Tells Diplomats He Made Trump a New Offer on Ukraine at Their Summit"







https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit

[oberliner]

20. Please note, this is not The Hill, but a BS clickbait website called "hillreporter.com"

[janx]

26. Thank you. I will correct my post. n/t

[oberliner]

19. This is not a legitimate news source and not a legitimate story

Here's the actual Bloomberg story that this click-bait garbage is manipulating:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-07-19/putin-said-to-have-made-trump-a-new-offer-on-ukraine-at-summit

[triron]

35. I checked and most of what they reported recently is reasonably accurate or corroborated by

other sources. QED

[Achilleaze]

22. The republican Draft-Dodger-in-Chief is excellent at surrendering (R)

republicans surrendering American power, prestige, and security. Sick.

[eleny]

27. I pondered if Trump is now somewhat of a liability for Putin and he wouldn't mind DT leaving office

It'll be hard for Trump to lift the sanctions and overturn the Magnitsky Act. So I have to wonder again here at DU if Putin is spilling some dirty beans to make it hard for Trump to stay in office. Maybe Putin has determined that it's time to cut bait and thus his losses and move on.

[MiniMe]

31. It isn't tRump's to give

[Historic NY]

33. It this ok with Ukraine?

[CanonRay]

34. What happens when the Ukraine gives up Florida?

I didn't know Crimea was ours!

[Hamlette]

36. I haven't heard this on the news all day. Was it reported elsewhere?

[UTUSN]

37. K&R

[kairos12]

39. Alaska is next.