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Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:11 PM

I am so pissed

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I was supposed to go and serve for a month in a refugee camp in Greece. Right before we were supposed to go I was put on the no-fly list (second time for me) mainly for all the protesting I have done, pus in 1988 I was charged with inciting a riot when George Bush came to Tacoma to campaign for president) charges were dropped but the repubs hold grudges.

I lost a bunch of money because of flights etc...but the real thing that hurts is that I am not able to go.

The more serous part of this was that as this was happening the validity my US naturalization was being challenged. That not only enraged me, but scared the crap out of me. When I confronted ICE they not only had a listing of all 46 times I have entered and left the country, but also my alien registration card, my citizenship papers and the score on the test I took.

So folks, if you are naturalized and think you are safe, if you are a progressive activist think again.

On a side note, there were four others, who also didn 't get to go to a refugee camp that I know of this summer because of the same thing.

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Reply I am so pissed (Original post)
gopiscrap Jul 2018 OP
snowybirdie Jul 2018 #1
Stuart G Jul 2018 #2
Squinch Jul 2018 #3
onecaliberal Jul 2018 #4
hlthe2b Jul 2018 #5
VMA131Marine Jul 2018 #6
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #8
VMA131Marine Jul 2018 #10
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #18
RandomAccess Jul 2018 #30
Tipperary Jul 2018 #25
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #26
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #27
oasis Jul 2018 #7
lunatica Jul 2018 #9
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #19
The Hitman Jul 2018 #11
LittleGirl Jul 2018 #12
dhol82 Jul 2018 #13
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #20
Tipperary Jul 2018 #23
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #24
dhol82 Jul 2018 #28
Wounded Bear Jul 2018 #14
dalton99a Jul 2018 #15
elmac Jul 2018 #16
Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #17
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #21
gopiscrap Jul 2018 #22
drray23 Dec 2018 #32
Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #33
drray23 Dec 2018 #34
Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #35
AncientGeezer Jul 2018 #29
tblue37 Dec 2018 #31

Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:16 PM

1. So sorry

Is it possible to attempt to head to Texas to help with refugees there? That might help alleviate your frustration and you don't have to leave the country.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:17 PM

2. Sorry....very sorry...

I wish there was something we can do..?

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:18 PM

3. This is terrifying.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:21 PM

4. I'm so sorry....

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:21 PM

5. Damned frightening. I'm so sorry this is happening to you and others.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:37 PM

6. Did they accuse you of fraud or lying on your citizenship application?

That's really the only way that they can denaturalise you. They can't legally use anything you've done since you were naturalised against you in a citizenship case because the US does not have two tiers of citizenship.

Now, could they make your life miserable with weak accusations and force you to spend money on legal fees to defend yourself? It would be unethical, and possibly illegal, but the current administration seems to be fine with giving everyone whose an immigrant, even someone who is naturalised a hard time.

I'm sure that my name is on a list somewhere for all the times I've posted unflattering comments on Trump's Twitter feed, but I didn't serve 8 years in the US Marines to be harrassed by these clowns.

If they come after me, the first people I'm going to are my Congressperson (Rosa DeLauro, D-CT) and US Senators (Chris Murphy, D-CT; and Richard Blumenthal, D-CT and former Marine).

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 02:53 PM

8. I did go to my reps. Also because I am so well connected

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with in the church and politically with in progressive circles I had six attornies going to bat for me and they chicken shits dropped their bullshit...also what helped was that I made my citizenship as a 15 year old and not as an adult. Therefore it would be very hard anyway to prove fraud.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 03:05 PM

10. So basically, they were just harassing you because they could.

But you still had to get lawyers involved on your side, which must have been expensive unless they agreed to work pro bono. Going after even legal immigrants is a hallmark of facist regimes.

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Response to VMA131Marine (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:00 PM

18. yup that was exactly it

the lawyers were friends of mine but it did give me a few days of extreme stress. Also it's so beyond what I was taught about the US it just rubs me as totally unjust

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 08:35 PM

30. Being a "progressive activist" may have put you at the head of the line

 

for this kind of treatment, but don't think that was the sole reason. Trump doesn't want ANY immigrants -- except perhaps Norwegians. If you're the wrong color (and I presume you are), you're at risk. ANYone the wrong color will be at risk.

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:13 PM

25. This post confuses me. You made citizenship as a 165 year old? Do you mean a 16 year old?

 

I do not understand what “they chickenshits dropped their bullshit” - which chickenshits? The lawyers?

My parents are naturalized. This post confuses me.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:15 PM

26. oops should say 15 year old

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:16 PM

27. Immigration dropped their inquiry

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 01:51 PM

7. Thank you for doing your part to make the world a better place.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 03:04 PM

9. Wow! You are really brave!

I just know you’ll find a way of protesting this and everything you want to in the future.

Hey! This is just one battle in your war. I know you will never stop fighting. Roll with the punches. I admire you!

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Response to lunatica (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:01 PM

19. thank you so much

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 03:25 PM

11. Go to the media

Turn up some public pressure

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 03:40 PM

12. That's terrible.

just so wrong. I'm so sorry.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 03:51 PM

13. When were you naturalized?

Just curious since I was also.
Not sure where they could me to since I was a refugee from a displaced persons camp.
This is scary shit.

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Response to dhol82 (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:02 PM

20. my mom was a refugee for a short bit

I am from Germany and you? Welcome to the US

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:09 PM

23. When were you naturalized? Or were you born here?

 

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:11 PM

24. I achieved my citizenship

though testing in Seattle was naturalized July 4, 1972. I was born in Germany

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Response to gopiscrap (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 07:13 PM

28. I have been here for a while

I got my papers in 1964. Born in a camp in Germany.
Scary that the government would choose to expel people who have been here for a long time for minor reasons.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 03:54 PM

14. There were rumors and reports they would go this way...

stay strong!

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 04:04 PM

15. Only a federal judge can denaturalize you on strong evidence

It is so rare that it makes the news. They're full of shit

(The process is not like a criminal proceeding, but they'd better have a very strong case)

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 04:07 PM

16. The fascist will use any trick in the book to squelch protests

 

IRS audits, no fly lists, denaturalize, ect...

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 04:08 PM

17. I've never been out of the country. Is it a norm for someone to travel out of country over 40 times?

Do a lot of people travel that much? Or is that unusual? Don't you have to be wealthy to travel that much? I've flown around within the U S; it's pretty expensive.

Just curious. I didn't realize people traveled that much out of the country, unless it's on business. Like a sales rep for Mexico.

But sorry you're on that list. I've heard it's hard to get your name removed from it. And I've heard they throw a wide net, when adding to the list, so that even little kids end up on it.

Is there a way that people can check the list online before they try to travel?

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:05 PM

21. Yes it is I have family left in Germany

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my mom was close to her family so we went in and out of the country 46 times meaning 16 round trips in my life from the US to Europe as a child with my mom, then when I was 14 I was on an international choir tour and when I was 21 went to Europe to sing and speak and also went to Hong Kong as a Lutheran missionary then as an older adult, took my family to Europe twice

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 06:07 PM

22. you can get cheap charter tickets specially in the late 60's and 70's to Europe

specially through Iceland. Also I fly a lot for my work so now I have a lot of free frequent flier miles

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #17)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 03:47 AM

32. Google flight is your friend.

Its amazing how inexpensive it can be if you search in advance for the right ticket. For example, I saw tickets for $368.00 round trip from Washington dc to Paris, France end of January. It's an icelandair flight which goes thru keflavik.

Anytime I need to fly, I use www.google.com/flights and use their tools to find the best time for least expensive ticket.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #32)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 09:29 AM

33. Wow. Holy Moly , Batman! That's cheeep.

That's less than I've paid for flying just a few hundred miles in the country.

I don't know if I'd want to go to Iceland, though. I saw a Bourdain's "No Reservations" show in Iceland once. Very depressing place.

I would like to go to France and Ireland, if I went anywhere.

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #33)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 05:40 PM

34. That's the cost to go to paris france.

It just goes via keflavik and you have a connecting flight to paris.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #34)

Wed Dec 5, 2018, 06:22 PM

35. Good deal. If I ever travel out of the country....

I'll remember this.

I'm so frugal, though...I've told my relatives to take whatever is left in my retirement account, when I'm dead, and go to Hawaii or somewhere and have fun, 'cause I sure as hell never did. Too busy worrying about funds to carry me through my old age. I'm over 60 and have never gone anywhere on a vacation, except for a decade I'd travel to neighboring state to see my parents once every year or two.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Fri Jul 20, 2018, 08:21 PM

29. Your story is Exactly why the the Thuglicans are

 

dead set against the the arbitrary assignment to the "No Fly List"..no due process.

You get put on it and get deprived of rights and then have to prove innocence.
It's a bulls**t deal...for anyone.

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Response to gopiscrap (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2018, 02:31 AM

31. Wow. That is awful--and scaryl! nt

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