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Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:39 AM

Another former Republiconned congress critter has come to her senses.


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Reply Another former Republiconned congress critter has come to her senses. (Original post)
WhiteTara Jul 2018 OP
Ilsa Jul 2018 #1
olegramps Jul 2018 #15
WinstonSmith4740 Jul 2018 #19
GemDigger Jul 2018 #31
flibbitygiblets Jul 2018 #38
NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #2
SamKnause Jul 2018 #3
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lsewpershad Jul 2018 #8
HAB911 Jul 2018 #11
Grins Jul 2018 #40
RandomAccess Jul 2018 #46
Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #4
DownriverDem Jul 2018 #27
dalton99a Jul 2018 #5
Heartstrings Jul 2018 #13
aggiesal Jul 2018 #35
Arkansas Granny Jul 2018 #6
handmade34 Jul 2018 #7
WhiteTara Jul 2018 #9
gtar100 Jul 2018 #10
bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #12
PaulX2 Jul 2018 #14
evilhime Jul 2018 #16
duforsure Jul 2018 #17
blueinredohio Jul 2018 #18
Owens Jul 2018 #20
calimary Jul 2018 #21
OnDoutside Jul 2018 #26
calimary Jul 2018 #28
OnDoutside Jul 2018 #30
alp227 Jul 2018 #33
calimary Jul 2018 #37
beachbum bob Jul 2018 #22
packman Jul 2018 #23
First Speaker Jul 2018 #24
brooklynite Jul 2018 #25
Jose Garcia Jul 2018 #29
CrispyQ Jul 2018 #32
hatrack Jul 2018 #34
sarah FAILIN Jul 2018 #36
sandensea Jul 2018 #39
Grins Jul 2018 #41
WhiteTara Jul 2018 #44
Perseus Jul 2018 #42
C Moon Jul 2018 #43
WhiteTara Jul 2018 #45

Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:41 AM

1. Welcome back to a sane community, Rep. Logan. nt

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #1)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:30 AM

15. I will be impressed when a sitting Republican on the dole denounces the GOP. Yeah, 12th of never.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:47 AM

19. My immediate thought!

While I welcome her back to the light, I'd have been more impressed if she had realized it when she held some sort of power. "Ex" congress critters leaving the party don't impress me. This descent of the Republican Party into the party of lunacy didn't begin with Trump. It started years ago under Reagan.

So absolutely glad to see some of the high profile Republicans announcing they've left the party, but I bet they can't look us in the eye and tell us they didn't see this coming.

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Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #19)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:30 AM

31. Agreed.

Them leaving after the fact is like them leaving a toxic site they created but are to cowardly to clean up. I see those leaving as cowardly and they think they will be left alone after they leave. I don't think so in this case. Those that screwed up our country are still responsible whether they leave or not.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #15)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:56 AM

38. YES! Easy to be "brave" when you have nothing to lose. That's not brave, BTW, the opposite actually

Bravery includes taking risks. Why only "former" and "outgoing" R's have this kind of Come to Jeebus Moment is transparent and cowardly. And they should be called on it, not applauded.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:43 AM

2. Welcome to the Big Tent Party

we have room for all sensible Americans.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:44 AM

3. Can they be trusted ???

Will they force the democratic party further to the right ???

I don't trust them.

They have proven time and time again they can not be trusted.

I HOPE they prove me WRONG !!!!!!!!

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:49 AM

8. +

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:57 AM

11. As long as they only vote and don't run for office

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:24 PM

40. "Can they be trusted???" NO!

Republicans only come to their senses when they get POUNDED politically and go into denial that they never heard of "those people" who were never "Real Conservatives".

Millions of life-long Republican racists in 2008 burned their "Bush/Cheney 04" lawn signs and swore they had never even heard of George W. Bush. Because it is never, ever about them. Never about the things they said and did. Never about their abominations. Never about the national nightmares they created and turned loose. Caught in those nightmares of their own making, they always blame some other group of irresponsible Republican elites, "them", "those people" waaaaaaay over there, that "other group" of craven Republican bigots - they were the ones who let us all down.

But they all came back into the fold after eight years of another Democrat saving a world economy, restoring millions of jobs, and easing the rest of the world's hatred for America - They. Came. Back! For more.

George Will, Charlie Sykes, Steve Schmidt, Rick Wilson, Nicolle Wallace, Pete Wehner, Michael Gerson, Joe Scarborough, Ralph Peters, Max Boot, Daniel Pipes, all of them - will (or have) come back. Hell - Ben Stein and Ted Cruz are already back. In 2018! The damned few Republicans who said, "I don't know you" after ole' Bone Spurs publicly shit all over Gold Star parents? They're back.

They are just 11th hour GOP Apostates now saying what Democrats have been saying about the GOP FOR DECADES. They will stab us in the back the minute the mango-headed ambulatory crisis has passed. But not until then. Because it pays too well.

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Response to SamKnause (Reply #3)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:49 PM

46. That's certainly my concern: farther to the righ

 

Bah! Who needs it??

I am THRILLED when they leave their party, but not so thrilled when they join ours.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:46 AM

4. "Former" doesn't help much

Would be nicer if they came to their senses WHILE they're in office, NOT retiring, and can (and will) actually DO something about something.

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Response to Proud Liberal Dem (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:14 AM

27. My thoughts too

And the reason why we won't hear from current repub office olders is that they are afraid of trump & their own base voters. Their campaign money would be cut off and their base voters would savage them.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:46 AM

5. The day of reckoning is coming

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:26 AM

13. Keep posting this dalton99a!

I smile every time I see it!

Midterms! GOTV!

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:48 AM

6. I'm glad to see some Republicans come to their senses.

I just hope that they don't push the Democratic party too far to the right.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:49 AM

7. that was 2014

much worse now

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:51 AM

9. She was an early outlier in the republicon world then.

I didn't notice the date. But she's had a couple of years now to proselytize to her republiconned friends.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:52 AM

10. But is she embracing the Democratic platform?

Fair wages, support for unions, human rights, LGBTQ rights, public education, *reasonable* defense spending, affordable health care for all, compassionate immigration policies and practices, etc., etc.

Or just switching sides to stay employed. Fine if she wants to join up but she better understand that we debate the issues on the left, we don't goose step.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:26 AM

12. Great

now the former GOP middle is going to take over our party. WHY DON'T YOU STAY AND FIX YOUR OWN PARTY? NO FIGHT LEFT IN YOU? You're supposed to be the dominant Republican patriots!

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:28 AM

14. I Thought Being Evil And Cruel Was So Appealing

 

Watching people suffer is the pride of today's Republican Party!

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:30 AM

16. Before the full welcome

Be glad she is changing her mind (we hope) but I'd want to check out her record in office to know if she is really someone who is good for the country (i.e., moderate with a brain) or strictly tea party type conservative masquerading as a newly minted dem.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:31 AM

17. All real Americans in the Republican Party

Now have to face that also, trump is a puppet of putin , and has helped destroy their party, and now those who still believe in this country , and first , need to do the same thing, especially in the Senate taking away control from putin , trump , and McConnell. John McCain and others, where are you now? Real Americans , or putin and trump loyalists?

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 10:39 AM

18. Don't fall for that crap.

A republican will always have republican values which are not worth a slap on the ass

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:04 AM

20. Country over Party

This is what we need to ask every Republican and Voter.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:04 AM

21. Oh cute. NOW you come to your senses. It's WAY too late now.

WAY WAY WAY too late.

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Response to calimary (Reply #21)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:10 AM

26. Exactly. Way too little, way too late.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #26)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:15 AM

28. No shit. WHERE was she when she was on the inside?

When she could cast a vote in Congress. And actually maybe have some impact of shaping a better, reality-based, and more clear-eyed policies?

NOW you decide you’re finally waking up? Thanks a fucking heap. Thanks for NOTHING.

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Response to calimary (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:28 AM

30. +1000

She's only on the same level as David Jolly, her fellow Floridian, earning a crust now saying how terrible Trump is, but if Trump were half way sane doing the same shit, they'd be all onboard. They know what is coming.

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Response to calimary (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:36 AM

33. she was only a state legislator for one term

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Response to alp227 (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:49 AM

37. Even so. She'd been in position to make a difference,

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and help steer the thought processes and the direction of the legislating efforts. She could have been an influence for GENUINE common sense. NOT the cheap-ass talking point “common sense” or what I now often see written as “commonsense.” Somehow it’s become a one-word concept by now.

Especially when you think of state legislatures as farm teams for the majors (in Washington DC). They're "feeder schools" for higher office, whether it's the governor's job or Senate or House of Reps. And who knows, maybe higher. That's where many of them earn their "experience" stripes. State offices are viewed by a lot of political operatives as stepping-stone job to bigger things in the future. One thing always strikes me whenever I'm dealing with or observing state office-holders. Those who stay in THAT job, at THAT level, for a long time, would appear to be behaving as though they WANT to be in THAT job. At THAT level. Mainly, I'd guess, it would be THAT job. I know these things have their rewards. I've met people who treat their version of THAT job, at THAT level, as almost a calling. Because they recognize it's about being a public servant. Taking care of the public's interest and needs. You're like a custodian. A guard. An advocate. It's something that's... well... elevated. It has a higher purpose.

Others, of course, see it as a means to an end. That, too, cuts both ways.

Are you 1) purely in it for a higher perch from which you can do more good, and help more of the people who need real help, not just those who don't like paying taxes? OR are you 2) just in it for more power (since most of these jobs don't pay a lot, particularly when your home turf is far away from Washington and you have a family and you have to maintain two residences). What else are you gonna do if you work full-time in Washington DC for living arrangements, and how often do you get to come home, realistically? Based on how close your home state is and how much plane fare has to be covered? Financial considerations are there whether you're doing this altruistically or not.

And probably for a lot of those in the second column, they're looking to win a high-level government position because of how lucratively it translates AFTER they leave office. Look at the dramatic raise in pay and perks toward which you can parlay all that government experience and all its friends and contacts and connections? It means hitting the jackpot, financially, even if you're bounced out of office. Example: Eric Cantor. He WAS at one point on the House GOP "line of succession's" short list and mentioned as a possible future Speaker.

Eric Ivan Cantor (born June 6, 1963) is an American politician, lawyer, and banker, who served as the United States representative for Virginia's 7th congressional district from 2001 until 2014. As a member of the Republican Party, he became House Majority Leader when the 112th Congress convened on January 3, 2011. He previously served as House Minority Whip from 2009 until 2011.

His district included most of the northern and western sections of Richmond, along with most of Richmond's western suburbs and, until redistricting in 2013, portions of the Shenandoah Valley. Cantor was the highest-ranking Jewish member of Congress in its history, and at the time of his resignation, the only non-Christian Republican in either house.[1][2]


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In June 2014, in his bid for re-election, Cantor lost the Republican primary to economics professor Dave Brat in an upset that surprised political analysts. In response Cantor announced his early resignation as House Majority Leader, and several weeks later, he announced his resignation from Congress, which took effect August 18, 2014. Immediately thereafter, Cantor accepted a position as vice chairman of investment bank Moelis & Company.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Cantor

He's there as a trophy piece. "But hey, look at my take-home! And now I can look out for #1 and answer to NOBODY. I'm not in government anymore! I don't have to worry about fundraising and my fickle constituents and the nuisance media!" Look at the recovering Republicans with regular on-air gigs as "contributors" or "analysts"? And the book deals and promotional tours and appearances throughout the talk show circuit you'll be all over and your future is SET!!! You "retire" as a respected elder statesman to write more books and do more TV and the entire machine that can keep on crankin' for a nice long time.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:05 AM

22. we need hundreds, if not thousands of GOp officials to do this from every level

 

when that happens, we will take our entire country back

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:08 AM

23. NEVER - EVER trust a Florida Republican

Regardless of their past. She smells the changing winds and is getting on the side of the tide. She is still holding the core values she was brought up with and espoused when she held office.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:08 AM

24. I don't mind sane Repubs joining the Dems...even if it pushes the party to the right a little...

...in many ways, I am a small-c conservative myself, and have all sorts of opinions that don't jive with left-wing orthodoxy. (None of which I ever admit to here at DU, thank you.) It's more important that we get people who believe in empirical reality, and if that includes former GOPers, so be it. A grand Coalition of the Sane can adjudicate issues in a sane way, the way we used to in this country. Defeat the crazies, restore sanity to the republic...and we can move on from there.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:10 AM

25. ONce again, the emphasis is on "former"

They rarely have the courage to say these things when in office.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:15 AM

29. She never served in Congress

She was a State Representative. She switched parties after losing her seat in the 2012 primary.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:34 AM

32. Start your own conservative party. Don't infiltrate ours & take it to the right.

That's what will happen. A career republican is running as a dem for Al Franken's seat & people here are cool with it just because he speaks out against Trump. WTF? I feel like the dem party is about to tack left, but it won't happen if a hoard of repubs join the party & bring their big money with them. They are turning to the dem party because Bernie Sanders nailed it when he said there are only two ways to the White House & that is either through the Republican Party or the Democratic Party. Running on either of those two tickets gives one a huge advantage in every race. So they will try to co-opt our party & leave the left/middle class/labor out in the cold. Again.

The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:38 AM

34. Former Florida Representative Ana Rivas Logan . ..

Former

FORMER

FORMER

Who cares?

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 11:39 AM

36. Too late

Should have did it before you were beat.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:19 PM

39. She knows it!

Welcome to the Democratic Party, Rep. Rivas Logan. An honor to have you among us.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:28 PM

41. What are you talking about? This is from 2014.

This is not something that happened this month. It's from more than four years ago.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/02/10/ana-rivas-logan_n_4759605.html

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Response to Grins (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:40 PM

44. I note that in a later post, Grins, but be that as it may

she now has the chops to move more along to the left side of the aisle.

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:30 PM

42. Whether she was born in the US or not, she is part hispanic

 

When will Hispanics understand that republicans don't like them, they only use them?

When will people, in general, understand the same.

Does anyone ever wonder why the price of gas always goes up when republicans are in power? and for no reason at all?

What is going on? Do people think that its cool to be a republican?

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Response to WhiteTara (Original post)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 12:34 PM

43. They are more than welcome to vote Dem (USA!), but they are NOT welcome to seek office as a Dem.

Never trust a Republican.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 16, 2018, 03:40 PM

45. Indeed. Never trust a republicon, reformed or not.

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