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Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:21 AM Jul 2018

Well, since it was during the Obama Administration-it doesn't really matter

Hey you moron, they attacked the United States. Just because it was before you were president doesn't make it ok. Oh yeah, that is unless you were in on it too. Stupid excuse from a stupid person that will be believed by his incredibly stupid followers. But this is just breathtaking in it's stupidity-or tacit acknowledgement of guilt.


‘I hadn’t thought’ of asking Putin to extradite indicted Russian agents, Trump says

HELSINKI — President Trump said in a new interview airing Sunday that he hadn’t thought of pressing Russian President Vladimir Putin on extraditing the dozen Russian officials charged with hacking Democratic emails, while continuing to blame Democrats for the stolen emails that upended the 2016 presidential campaign.

“Well, I might,” Trump said when asked during an interview with CBS News about extraditing the indicted intelligence agents. “I hadn’t thought of that. But I certainly, I’ll be asking about it. But again, this was during the Obama administration. They were doing whatever it was during the Obama administration.”

The United States does not have an extradition treaty with Russia. Trump also asserted that the GOP was similarly not hacked during the 2016 campaign because the Republican National Committee were equipped with better cybersecurity.

“We had much better defenses. I’ve been told that by a number of people. We had much better defenses, so they couldn’t,” Trump said during the CBS interview. “I think the DNC should be ashamed of themselves for allowing themselves to be hacked. They had bad defenses and they were able to be hacked.”


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/i-hadnt-thought-of-asking-putin-to-extradite-indicted-russian-agents-trump-says/2018/07/15/766a2d2a-8814-11e8-8b20-60521f27434e_story.html
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Well, since it was during the Obama Administration-it doesn't really matter (Original Post) Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2018 OP
Keep talking, traitor dalton99a Jul 2018 #1
Russians don't need to help you get elected greymattermom Jul 2018 #2
republicans are ok with this russia WARRING on America shit Achilleaze Jul 2018 #3
That's the tell! Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2018 #6
Ah yes. The Tell. The Many Tells. Achilleaze Jul 2018 #7
He is the dumbest box of hair in the world. He is as dense as cement and Guilded Lilly Jul 2018 #4
👏🏾 Righteous. 👏🏾 n/t BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2018 #5
+infinity narnian60 Jul 2018 #8
You stuck the landing. Perfect 10 Rant. VOX Jul 2018 #9
Love the post! Hulk Jul 2018 #18
Would the U S honor an extradition request by Russia? Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #10
Does that really matter here? Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2018 #11
My post wasn't about that. It was simply about a legal extradition. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #12
Most people aren't saying that Putin would comply with extradition, watoos Jul 2018 #13
Waste of time & useless use of media. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #15
I'm not so sure under this admin. JDC Jul 2018 #16
You've got a point. But Congress would stop it...not legal, I think. Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #21
I am barefoot AwakeAtLast Jul 2018 #14
This from David Corn elmac Jul 2018 #17
tRump s TELL: He's not moving to do anything about it. If he believed Obama at fault he d move fast! Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #19
Excellent point. Really excellent point. He moves to undo everything Obama did/did not do. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #22
+1. Yes, very good point. yonder Jul 2018 #26
But I thought the Russians hacked the RNC MagickMuffin Jul 2018 #20
That could be straight out of Putin's playbook. You allow something to occur... Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #24
Obama is completely at fault... lame54 Jul 2018 #23
It's obvious the RNC was also hacked ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #25
It sure seems that way doesn't it? Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2018 #27

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
2. Russians don't need to help you get elected
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:34 AM
Jul 2018

after you are already elected. Why is this so hard to understand, numbnuts.

Achilleaze

(15,543 posts)
3. republicans are ok with this russia WARRING on America shit
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jul 2018

they are refusing to defend America, steadily weakening the USA's global power and influence, and actively DIVIDING our One Nation into factions.

Sick. Twisted. Immoral. Evil.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
6. That's the tell!
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:56 AM
Jul 2018

American elections were attacked by a foreign power. It's ok because Obama was president. It's the democrats fault for not having good cybersecurity (like the great security the Republicans had). I can't do anything about it. These are not the responses of someone concerned with defending the nation. They are the responses of someone who was in on the caper.

Guilded Lilly

(5,591 posts)
4. He is the dumbest box of hair in the world. He is as dense as cement and
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:49 AM
Jul 2018

as shallow as a thimble.

Having this totally inept brainless moron as head of anything is as insulting to anyone with an ounce of brain matter as it is to oh, I dunno...permit year old, kidnapped babies representing themselves before judges in an official court of law.

We are living in the most fucking insane alternate universe of abject STUPIDITY that could be scrawled in feces by a complete degenerate fool on a wall in a filthy subway toilet above a stinking urinal.

It’s....
Done.
No.
ARRRGGHHHHHHHH

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
18. Love the post!
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:32 AM
Jul 2018

Once in awhile there comes a post I want to copy and paste. This is one of those.
Thank you.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
10. Would the U S honor an extradition request by Russia?
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:26 AM
Jul 2018

For our spies that were caught by Russia? Of course not. Even if it weren't for spying, the two countries don't have an extradition treaty.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
11. Does that really matter here?
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 09:32 AM
Jul 2018

The point is how do you respond to an attack on our country. Blame the guy before you. Use it as a means of making yourself look good? Blame the victims because they were from a different political party? Or do you forcefully make it clear that it was an unacceptable action tantamount to any of the illegal violations recognized in international law that are considered acts of war? The president's job is to defend the nation, not gloss over interference in our democracy because it was to your benefit or to do nothing since Putin is unlikely to acknowledge this or agree to extradition.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
12. My post wasn't about that. It was simply about a legal extradition.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:02 AM
Jul 2018

There is no extradition treaty between the countries. He can ask for extradition, but it would be meaningless since there is no chance in hell that Russia would do it. Just like the U S wouldn't do it. Those guys work FOR their country, just like our spies work for us and are doing work FOR the U.S. We wouldn't extradite them for doing their jobs.

Putin IS the criminal. Trump might as well ask for Putin to be extradited. Same thing.

Regardless, no one will know what they say to each other. Trump may say after the meeting that he said a number of things that he didn't actually say. He misrepresents meetings all the time. Just like he did, right in FRONT of Macron, causing Macron to clarify and say "NO" that that was NOT what happened in the mtg.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
13. Most people aren't saying that Putin would comply with extradition,
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jul 2018

but your saying that such a request would be meaningless is far far from the truth. Democrats lose out because they don't control the M$M. The biggest lie that is out there is that the media is liberal. Demanding that Putin extradite those Russians changes the narrative. Demanding that Putin extradite those Russians prevents mealy-mouthed Republicans like Rand Paul from being able to call the Mueller investigation a witch hunt.

Democrats, Republicans, all of Congress and our diplomats, and all Americans, yourself included respectfully, should be screaming to the roof tops for extradition, knowing full well that it will never happen.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
15. Waste of time & useless use of media.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:11 AM
Jul 2018

It's like demanding that cumulus clouds don't spill rain. It shows a misunderstanding of extradition.

It's the same as "demanding" that Putin send himself to the U S for prosecution, since those guys work for him and doing what he tasked them to do.

There are better things to shout from the rooftops than something this meaningless. It also would backfire. Dems insist that Trump do something meaningless, so he doesn't do it. Ergo, Trump does the logical thing, which is not to waste his time w/Putin doing something meaningless. Trump looks good. Which is not the goal.

Dems need to demand that Trump do something meaningful...like pass stricter sanctions. That CAN be done, and Trump WON'T do that. The only reason sanctions were passed against Putin was because Congress did it, after Trump wouldn't.

JDC

(10,125 posts)
16. I'm not so sure under this admin.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:26 AM
Jul 2018

If the person in question was a known Dem, the cynic in me suspects *45 would serve his Russian master and political expedience to further divide.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
21. You've got a point. But Congress would stop it...not legal, I think.
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:12 PM
Jul 2018

We don't have an extradition treaty with Russia. So there's no legal basis for it. Does he have discretion to do something that the country explicitly decided not to do? Good question.

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
17. This from David Corn
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 11:27 AM
Jul 2018



I hope the next Democratic president tells the turtle and the rest of the fascist pigs to go fuck off.

MagickMuffin

(15,933 posts)
20. But I thought the Russians hacked the RNC
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 12:21 PM
Jul 2018

I seem to recall that they said they were hacked to make it appear everyone got hacked.



ETA:https://www.wired.com/2017/01/russia-hacked-older-republican-emails-fbi-director-says/

But FBI director James Comey has now told Congress new details of the Republican prong of those political intrusions, which US intelligence now believe were carried out by the Russian government: The attackers penetrated GOP organizations, and also stole Republican National Committee emails, albeit ones less current than those stolen from the DNC.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. That could be straight out of Putin's playbook. You allow something to occur...
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018

You allow something to occur, so that it appears that things are not like they really are. For instance, no criticism in Russia is allowed of Putin. Except that occasionally he allows some minor criticism, so that later when that source reports Putin's lies, it appears more credible. (see my post on "why Trump lies," about a Russian's explanations of them.)

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210872400

ProfessorPlum

(11,254 posts)
25. It's obvious the RNC was also hacked
Sun Jul 15, 2018, 08:25 PM
Jul 2018

And what the Russians found was clearly horrible enough to turn the GOP into docile, blackmailed kittens.

Dread Pirate Roberts

(1,896 posts)
27. It sure seems that way doesn't it?
Mon Jul 16, 2018, 09:02 AM
Jul 2018

Makes you wonder what a "private" discussion between Trump & Putin will cover.

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