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Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:26 PM

Trump Inserts Himself Into Brexit Debate, Criticizing Theresa May.

'President Trump on Thursday intervened directly in Britain’s fraught debate over withdrawal from the European Union, saying that Prime Minister Theresa May’s plans to keep close economic ties with the bloc could “kill” a possible trade deal with the United States.

In an interview with The Sun, Mr. Trump also said that Mrs. May had ignored his advice on negotiations over Britain’s departure, known as Brexit.

“I would have done it much differently,” Mr. Trump was quoted as saying. “I actually told Theresa May how to do it, but she didn’t listen to me.” Instead she went “the opposite way,” and the results have been “very unfortunate,” he said.

Mr. Trump also said that Boris Johnson, a Brexit hard-liner who resigned from Mrs. May’s government this week, would make “a great prime minister.”'>>>

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/world/europe/trump-brexit-theresa-may.html?

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:29 PM

1. Idiot just wouldn't shut up. Do they have Imodium for verbal diarrhea?

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:33 PM

2. Never forget that Don the Con was in Britain during the Brexit vote

I don't think it was a coincidence. He also wanted Another RW racist, Farage, as UK Ambassador to the US.
He does not give a flying fugg about sovereignty or protocol.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:39 PM

3. Boris Johnson is, IMO, an even bigger idiot than our

resident idiot. He's probably not as dangerous, but he's an idiot still.

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:01 PM

6. Boris Johnson won't do any better than May.

May was a Brexit hardliner until the realities of a hard Brexit exit hit her in the face once she became PM. Johnson may boo her from the peanut gallery, but he won't step in as PM because Brexit will kill his career.

There were two Irish people here a couple of days ago posting about Brexit, what they posted was interesting about Paris getting most of the financial firms leaving Britain. I read a Reuthers article last night that pretty much confirmed what they wrote, a lot of banks and investment banks are locating staff to Paris, with smaller operations setting up in Germany.

Looks like the Brexit vote screwed Britain royally, it is now stuck in a corner of a shit cover room and there is no getting out without getting slathered with shit.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:27 PM

7. Why don't they just revote?

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Response to RandomAccess (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:11 PM

9. Hubris. May take a kick in the mouth by a mule.

But ten years from now, Britons will most likely look at the Brexit yes vote as the beginning of their decline.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 03:14 AM

10. No, she wasn't a Brexit hardliner. She was a vague Remainer. Johnson has attacked the EU for decades

From the time she became PM:

But those same people she was trying to reach out to are unlikely to forget quickly that May was a ‘Remain’ supporter during the campaign.

Theresa May wasn’t one of the most vocal figures of the debate, but she stuck to the government line: that Britain would be better off remaining part of the European Union. As a high level cabinet Minister (May was the longest serving Home Secretary for over a century), this is not surprising.

She warned UK voters that Brexit could have seriously damaging effects on the economy, the security, and even the current form of the United Kingdom.

Though often quiet during the campaign, May said that leaving the EU would be “fatal for the Union with Scotland”, as the Scottish National Party (SNP) would most likely try again for independence if Scotland voted to remain while the UK as a whole voted to leave.

http://www.euronews.com/2016/07/12/what-is-theresa-may-s-view-on-brexit

Johnson was the most influential journalist in building up anti-EU feeling, before he got elected, and has used Brexit as central to his attempt to become PM.

For many in EU circles the former London mayor’s reputation for mendacity pre-dates the referendum campaign. Nobody has forgotten his activities as a journalist in Brussels, where he was correspondent for the Daily Telegraph between 1989 and 1994. The French tend to mythologise “Anglo-Saxon” journalism as the pinnacle of ethics and rigour, but Johnson was the incarnation of the gutter-press dictum: never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Indeed, this is what a grinning Johnson often remarked to his foreign counterparts when they protested about his exaggerated stories.

I observed his methods when I was posted as a journalist to Brussels in 1992. One day he wrote a story claiming that Jacques Delors’ spokesman was so well-paid (as all of these incompetent Eurocrats, of course, had to be in Johnson’s narrative), that he lived in an immense chateau on the outskirts of Brussels. This was vehemently denied at a press briefing, to the hilarity of Johnson.

The story arguably had a grain of truth: Bruno Dethomas, the spokesman, lived in a large 19th-century house that had a turret on the outside, an architectural folly typical of the period in which it was built. “You see, it’s a castle!” Johnson laughed when I challenged him on the accuracy of his reporting.

Johnson can scarcely have believed what he himself wrote, but he kept churning it out. It was a game, a big laugh, especially as his fiercely anti-European newspaper lapped up these stories and gasped for more.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/15/brexit-boris-johnson-euromyths-telegraph-brussels

The foreign secretary Boris Johnson made a speech on Wednesday in praise of optimism, confidence and a liberal Brexit. It was rich in rhetorical flourish and almost empty of detail. It was the speech of a politician whose only credibility is as the tribune of the leave campaign, a shameless piece of oration that fell back on his old journalistic trick of describing an EU that does not exist in order to justify his determination to get out. It was billed as an overture to the 48% who wanted to stay in the EU and a definitive speech about the shape of Britain’s future relationships outside it. But it was singularly free of the kind of irksome detail needed to understand a world beyond Europe.

It was rich in what Whitehall describes as optimism bias, “an estimate for a project’s costs, benefits and duration [made] in the absence of robust primary evidence”. It was a Valentine’s Day card to himself and his ambition to be the next Tory leader, an ambition he betrayed with his incoherent answer to a question about whether he would rule out resigning this year.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/14/the-guardian-view-of-boris-johnsons-brexit-vision-all-about-me

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 09:10 AM

11. Thanks for the correction, I got my recounting of what I read about May mixed up.

Do you think Johnson will do any better? I don't because the issues with a hard Brexit seem large. It seems Johnson taking the helm would accelerate companies downsizing in Britain to upsize on the continent. Do you agree or disagree?

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 13, 2018, 11:51 AM

12. Johnson is a nightmare. He wades into things without thought

though he's not 'ignorant' in the way that Trump is - he can write eloquently when he wants to, and can learn and remember facts. But he has a massive ego and ambition, and a sense of entitlement. Foreign Secretary was a really bad post for him, but PM would be worse. He'd pass muster as a press secretary, but that's about it.

Johnson has already said, literally, 'fuck business' about Brexit, so you're right, he would get companies to leave Britain faster.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:41 PM

4. I'll bet the Brits are counting the minutes until they can rid their country

of the orange buffoon.

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:11 PM

5. How tactful! Wonder what they're going to talk about at dinner . . . . .

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Response to elleng (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:28 PM

8. Like I said in another thread - roll out the red carpet for him and Trump will shit on it.

Moral of the story - don't even bother trying to impress him.

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