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Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:35 AM

The 2007 Ohio law against touching a nude dancer has NEVER been enforced -- before Stormy.

At least, in Franklin County.

This must be why Avenatti's saying it was a set-up.

https://www.npr.org/2018/07/12/628302253/stormy-daniels-arrested-at-ohio-strip-club

Daniels, whose real name is Stephanie Clifford, was performing at Sirens, a strip club in Columbus, when some of the club's patrons touched her in a "non-sexual" way, Avenatti told The Associated Press.

An Ohio law known as the Community Defense Act, passed in 2007, prohibits anyone who is not a family member from touching a nude or semi-nude dancer.

According to an article published last year in The Columbus Dispatch, the law, which also restricts the hours of operation for strip clubs and adult book stores, is rarely enforced.

The article quoted the Franklin County Sheriff's office as saying in the decade since the law was enacted, it had never had "any complaints or reasons to apply" it.

"We have gone back as far as we have records for, and nothing has been found," a spokesman for the sheriff's office, Marc Gofstein, told the Dispatch.

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Reply The 2007 Ohio law against touching a nude dancer has NEVER been enforced -- before Stormy. (Original post)
pnwmom Thursday OP
donkeypoofed Thursday #1
DetlefK Thursday #2
watoos Thursday #7
lindysalsagal Thursday #3
Cha Thursday #4
dalton99a Thursday #21
genxlib Thursday #5
RVN VET71 Thursday #10
ck4829 Thursday #16
Crabby Appleton Thursday #23
watoos Thursday #6
Akacia Thursday #8
nolabear Thursday #31
LuckyCharms Thursday #9
Generic Brad Thursday #11
pnwmom Thursday #36
mythology Thursday #12
LuckyCharms Thursday #15
genxlib Thursday #17
LuckyCharms Thursday #18
genxlib Thursday #24
LuckyCharms Thursday #25
Loki Liesmith Thursday #32
LuckyCharms Thursday #33
mythology Thursday #20
LuckyCharms Thursday #29
Vinca Thursday #13
bucolic_frolic Thursday #14
Cicada Thursday #19
Crabby Appleton Thursday #22
no_hypocrisy Thursday #26
Crutchez_CuiBono Thursday #27
pnwmom Thursday #35
spanone Thursday #28
Mopar151 Thursday #30
ismnotwasm Thursday #34
Nevernose Thursday #37

Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:47 AM

1. So this law says the touchee gets arrested and not the toucher?!

Are we sure about this? Are they? Why would Stormy be getting arrested for someone else's actions? This is cray-cray. The guy what-done-it is the person who should've been arrested. I wonder if he was even kicked out or ticketed or anything at all.

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 05:58 AM

2. Maybe it was just hand-on-shoulder or something like that. The article said "non-sexual."

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:38 AM

7. Yeah, this could open up a can of worms,

when someone robs a bank in Columbus the police are going to have to arrest the teller who gave him the money.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:16 AM

3. I just don't care.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:29 AM

4. I care.. damn it. And, I hope it Backfires

and has a silver lining for Stormy!

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Response to Cha (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:05 AM

21. +1. It was a setup

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 06:38 AM

5. This has the stench of a Trumpist police officer or Sherriff

Trying to deliver some payback on behalf of Trump.

What he doesn't realize is that this is a PR disaster that will only bring attention back to a story that had quieted down.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:56 AM

10. Bingo!

This is grist for Avenatti's mill and he's already grinding away with it. Some fascist-enabling pig in Ohio thought he'd do his Leader a solid and it turns out he only helped efforts to bring him down.


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Response to genxlib (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:28 AM

16. I have the name of the arresting officer

Whitney Lancaster... I'm seeing what else they've done right now.

I'm thinking a narcotics/vice officer.

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Response to ck4829 (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:19 AM

23. Yes, arrest was by 3 vice squad officers. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:34 AM

6. Anyone know where

James O'Keefe is?

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:50 AM

8. Wow!

I really cannot comprehend why she would be arrested for that instead of the person who touched her. Where is my Country? I am so fed up with everything, I can only take small doses of it at this point anymore because its one outrage after another. At least coming here I get to see and understand that there are still some sane people in the world.

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Response to Akacia (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:50 AM

31. Avenatti claims they were women undercover cops.

So yep, a setup.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 07:56 AM

9. Typically, when a man (usually a man in this case) touches a stripper in a club...

the man is thrown out by the club bouncer. I would assume that the "toucher" would face prosecution if the club or woman were inclined to press charges, but I've never heard of that happening.

I would assume that laws such as these were created to protect the women from wandering hands of people who lose their inhibitions from drinking or otherwise becoming over-stimulated.

Her arrest is total bullshit, and most likely politically motivated.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:03 AM

11. Why wasn't the toucher arrested?

How is it her fault if someone touches her?

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Response to Generic Brad (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 02:07 PM

36. The toucher was a policewoman who asked her if she could. nt

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:03 AM

12. The cnn.com article has a different take on it

https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/12/politics/stormy-daniels-arrested-in-ohio/index.html

But in a probable cause affidavit obtained by CNN affiliate WSYX, detectives who were at the Sirens Gentlemen's Club said they observed Daniels remove her top and force patrons' faces into her chest.

"The officers also observed Ms. Clifford fondling the breasts of female patrons," Franklin County Municipal Court records show.

When officers witnessed those activities, three detectives approached the stage. Daniels allegedly made her way toward two detectives, leaned over and grabbed their faces. She shoved each of their faces between her breasts, court documents said.

She fondled a third officer's buttocks and breasts, according to the documents. Daniels was one of three people arrested at the club, but it's unclear who the other two were.


Those touches don't sound particularly non-sexual to me. But at least from the affidavit, she was the one initiating the touching.

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Response to mythology (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:13 AM

15. Well, difficult to say without being there...

But female strippers pull men's faces into their breasts all the time. It is nothing unusual. I'll tell you what though...most men know that you better keep your hands away from her if they do that.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:40 AM

17. You can't just leave it there

There has to be a story of hard earned wisdom to go along with that.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:51 AM

18. LOL. Well, I have not been to a club in years, but I have a story...

My buddy and I went out drinking one night and we ended up in a high class strip club. It was one of those "no bullshit" kind of places.

We were not sitting at the stage, but rather, we were sitting at a little round table, having some drinks and watching the strippers.

They had a stripper on the stage, and several who would go around to tables asking if you wanted a lap dance or if you wanted to buy them a drink. This is all standard stuff in the clubs around here, and the protocol is to be friendly and treat the women with respect. Also, it is customary to either buy them an over-priced drink, or to slip them some cash. After all, this is their job.

So if I remember correctly, both me and my friend gave the woman some money, and then we just chatted with her. She was very personable and we were having a lot of laughs.

Next thing I know, my friend starts caressing her forearms. He was drunk, but that is no excuse. If you go into a club, you better know the rules.

I started screaming at him...WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING???? DON'T TOUCH HER!!!! Just then, a bouncer arrived and grabbed him. I convinced the bouncer that I would keep an eye on him, and he honestly didn't know you can't do that.

The bouncer let us stay.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:28 AM

24. Sounds like a story many guys could tell

I am sure this happens a dozen times a night.

It is always best to be the buddy in that scenario.

I have great appreciation of the female form but strip clubs just make me feel like a creep.

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Response to genxlib (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:29 AM

25. I would never go to one now that I am older and wiser.

No matter how classy the club is, they still exploit women. However, I feel that if someone (man or woman) chooses to be a stripper because of the money, then they are entitled to that choice.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:53 AM

32. "They exploit women"

The women have a resource. They sell it.
In principle thatís fine. Iím sure some clubs exploit women, as any business is capable of exploiting their employees.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:57 AM

33. Well, I guess that is what I am saying.

There is nothing wrong with stripping.

Maybe I should have said that the clubs are exploitive in general, not to women in particular.

These businesses play upon weaknesses to make money, and to an extent, so do the male and female strippers.

What I am talking about here is the stuffing of the rent money into g-strings, the water-downed drinks bought for the strippers, the dangers that strippers are sometimes subject to.

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Response to LuckyCharms (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:46 AM

20. Having never been to a strip club, I'll defer to you on that

But my point is that the description of events from Avenatti is disputed by the police affidavit. Of course police also lie.

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Response to mythology (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:36 AM

29. I always feel that arrests like this...

are most likely motivated by something other than the rule of law.

Shady shit happens in strip clubs. It's the way it has always been.

And I'm talking strip clubs with cops present for the shows, so...

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:04 AM

13. More publicity for Stormy, more Avenatti on TV, more reminders Trump is a pig.

An epic backfire.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:05 AM

14. politically motivated

as sole instance, pretty obvious

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:41 AM

19. All publicity is good publicity in show business

Stormy should bribe cops to arrest her for misdemeanors involving being too sexy

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:10 AM

22. Columbus TV station NBC ch. 4 during 11:00am news.

Says in the last 10 years there have been 88 arrests for the same offense, 25 arrests in 2018 so far. 2 or three other dancers were arrested the same night as Stormy.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:30 AM

26. Sue for malicious prosecution.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:32 AM

27. Just positing a thought...

Ever notice when the shit gets real deep for dt....we get some drama w SD? The one who went to bed w him? Suddenly it's the stripper news on tv again and dt is meeting w Putin. There's something just not right about the whole SD thing. Haven't heard from her and Avenatti substantially in a month or so....then alllll of a sudden ..stripper drama on tv.

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Response to Crutchez_CuiBono (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 02:05 PM

35. We had heard from Avenatti recently.

He gave a great speech this week at Public Justice, when he was there as a part of a group of lawyers to receive a Trial Attorney of the Year award.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210855716

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:33 AM

28. political arrest

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 11:48 AM

30. Stormy is a classic!

From the Classics 4;

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:17 PM

34. Set up

That being said, I was a stripper for a very short period of time and I had to get wasted to do it. To this day, Iím in no way body shyóit was the feeling of being an animal on display I couldnít handle. That and the aura of restrained violence. Those bouncers are there for a reason, the no touch rules are there for a reason and trust me, they earn their pay, the bouncers and the strippers.

Successful strippers get past that feeling and attempt to own their bodies, their performances, the eyes upon them, they are able to humanize themselves by using their sexuality as a power. There is often a little give and take with the audience.

Stormy is a high end, high demand performer, and very talented by all accounts. I suspect there is more to the story that her boobs in a face. Iím sure this was a set up designed to demean and embarrass her.

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Response to pnwmom (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 02:16 PM

37. Throw her children in prison! Solitary forever!

Kill ALL of them!!!

Sorry! Sorry about that! Thatís my bad, DU.

Iíve just been watching four seconds of Faux News lately, and it was my understanding that the death penalty was mandatory for a trespassing charge (literally the offense that ďillegalĒ immigrants have committed, even if many of the child separations have been before any crime has been committed).

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