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Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:47 PM

Special Counsel's Office says Manafort has been surreptitiously sending emails from jail

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Special Counsel's Office says Manafort has been surreptitiously sending emails from jail...

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/4594533/7-11-18-US-Oppo-Manafort-Motion-to-Continue.pdf




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Reply Special Counsel's Office says Manafort has been surreptitiously sending emails from jail (Original post)
Miles Archer Jul 2018 OP
Vinca Jul 2018 #1
mahatmakanejeeves Jul 2018 #2
Blue_Adept Jul 2018 #3
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #26
dameatball Jul 2018 #54
mercuryblues Jul 2018 #4
CloudWatcher Jul 2018 #14
Sanity Claws Jul 2018 #36
LiberalArkie Jul 2018 #43
Hav Jul 2018 #63
mercuryblues Jul 2018 #40
Sanity Claws Jul 2018 #45
mercuryblues Jul 2018 #48
kag Jul 2018 #49
mercuryblues Jul 2018 #57
YessirAtsaFact Jul 2018 #42
ashling Jul 2018 #60
Cosmocat Jul 2018 #69
Maraya1969 Jul 2018 #5
triron Jul 2018 #7
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #18
kentuck Jul 2018 #6
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #27
gohuskies Jul 2018 #8
Delphinus Jul 2018 #51
Dread Pirate Roberts Jul 2018 #9
triron Jul 2018 #12
Thrill Jul 2018 #23
renate Jul 2018 #46
Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #17
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #30
SeattleVet Jul 2018 #58
NewJeffCT Jul 2018 #10
lame54 Jul 2018 #11
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #31
Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #13
FakeNoose Jul 2018 #16
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #32
blogslut Jul 2018 #15
GeorgeGist Jul 2018 #24
Hekate Jul 2018 #19
Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #20
Historic NY Jul 2018 #29
Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #21
HAB911 Jul 2018 #28
Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #33
Leghorn21 Jul 2018 #39
HAB911 Jul 2018 #41
bdamomma Jul 2018 #22
Pepsidog Jul 2018 #25
Delmette2.0 Jul 2018 #52
Pepsidog Jul 2018 #65
Delmette2.0 Jul 2018 #66
lindysalsagal Jul 2018 #34
dalton99a Jul 2018 #35
riversedge Jul 2018 #37
dembotoz Jul 2018 #38
marble falls Jul 2018 #44
OnDoutside Jul 2018 #47
Delphinus Jul 2018 #50
McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #53
Phoenix61 Jul 2018 #55
Renew Deal Jul 2018 #56
Lee-Lee Jul 2018 #59
Bayard Jul 2018 #61
Danascot Jul 2018 #67
McCamy Taylor Jul 2018 #62
Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #64
forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #68
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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:48 PM

1. The judge is going to love that one. LOL.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:50 PM

2. Wow. Shades of the old bulletin boards. I hope he has a 14.4K baud rate. NT

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:51 PM

3. oh fuck this guy.

He's going to have to be stripped of everything and tossed into a dark hole never to be seen again. If he survives anything and makes it out into the real world again he'll find a way to cause a lot of trouble.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:09 PM

26. Right on.

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Response to Blue_Adept (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:37 PM

54. Maybe it is wishful thinking, but it is possible he doesn't think he will get out...nothing to lose

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:53 PM

4. WTF

Now his lawyers are involved in covering up his crimes. This guy is unbelievable.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #4)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:17 PM

14. I'm not a lawyer, but ...

Shouldn't this behavior by his lawyers lead to their disbarment?

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:21 PM

36. Yes but are they participants?

I was thinking about how he did this. Could he have hit send on the email while the laptop was in his possession but it didn’t send because there was no internet connection? Later the attorneys opened the laptop and it connected to the internet. The email was then sent without the attorneys’ participation or knowledge.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:42 PM

43. Yep he composed and pressed send. As soon as the laptop got wifi. Bam they were gone.

Just like sending a text message and then realize you have no bars.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #36)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:34 PM

63. I'm thinking about how he could do it without their knowledge

He wouldn't be able to access an online portal to write mails with his own personal e-mail.
If he is using a client he can use offline, then surely his lawyers must be aware of it because someone had to install it. I think the local client I use would only send the e-mail if I start the application again and after providing credentials.

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:37 PM

40. It could

If Manafort is using the lawyer's laptop to conspire to commit or further a crime, they are equally as guilty in the conspiracy.

from the story Manafort is using the lawyer's lap top to receive and send emails. He is using the attorney/client privilege to smuggle out (for lack of a better term) correspondence he does not want Mueller to see. His attorney should know better.

My question is, can Mueller subpoena it?

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #40)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:53 PM

45. Criminal guilt requires intent

If you are claiming criminal negligence, then the prosecutor is equally guilty. After all, the prosecutor permitted Manafort to have a phone and laptop while being held.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:09 PM

48. He is not using his lap top

He is using one supplied by his attorney.

Although the jail does not allow prisoners to send or receive emails, Manafort appears to have developed a workaround. Manafort has revealed on the monitored phone calls that in order to exchange emails, he reads and composes emails on a second laptop that is shuttled in and out of the facility by his team. When the team takes the laptop from the jail, it reconnects to the internet and Manafort’s emails are transmitted.


What is in those emails, he wants to keep Mueller from finding out, by using a smuggled in lap top?

The attorney downloads emails onto the hard drive. Goes to visit Manafort and hands the lap top over to him. Manafort drafts the replies. When the attorney leaves the prison, he sends the emails out. I'd say that is intent.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:19 PM

49. Here's my question.

How fucking stupid do you have to be to surreptitiously smuggle emails out of your prison cell, and then "allude" to those emails in phone calls that you must know are being monitored?

Am I missing something, or is he the dumbfuckingest criminal mastermind on the planet?

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Response to kag (Reply #49)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:48 PM

57. IKR

He is using a smuggled email setup to avoid the phone recordings, then mentions it during a phone call.

I mentioned this before. Manafort is rich. He is used to other people doing his dirty work. He tosses them money, tells them to fix it. He never learned how to cover his own tracks. Now that he has to, he ain't got a fucking clue how to. He doesn't have a paid lackey to remind him of these trivial matters.

He has an over inflated ego. He thinks that he is too important and wealthy for little things like prison recordings to trip him up. Bless his heart.

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:41 PM

42. Also not a lawyer, but it sounds like criminal behavior to me

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:09 PM

60. they can start with contempt of court and a HEFTY fine

plus a referral to the bar board for appropriate consideration...then disbarred



true Lawyer story: New atty. got to the courtroom after the clerk had called his name for the third time - actually just as the clerk was calling his name. Judge held him in contempt of court and set a $50 fine and said: "Sheriff, don't let this man leave the courthouse without paying $50."

I was the new atty.

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Response to CloudWatcher (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:51 AM

69. i caught a bit on this yesterday

and the impressions I got is that the judge might give this a pass, and let all of the "VIP" treatment ride to make sure there is absolutely nothing they can try to point to WHEN they try to appeal that he was not given enough opportunity to mount his defense.

As much as it burns my ass, this is not new with him, apparently there have been other big name people who have been treated the same way there.

It isn't right, but different rules ...

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:53 PM

5. He is really incorrigible isn't he?

What kind of personality type is he?

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Response to Maraya1969 (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

7. Trumpian

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Response to triron (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:28 PM

18. Republicon-Narcissist, of which tRump is the leading example. . . . nt

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:54 PM

6. What a scofflaw !

This guy breaks all the rules !

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Response to kentuck (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:11 PM

27. Shades of Seinfeld.

And they were terrified of a civil infraction or misdemeanor.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

8. Audacity and arrogance are going to get ole Manny

Unbelievable that he thinks he can continue to pull the wool over the Special Counsel's eyes. Then he has his army of legal suits claiming he is being treated unfairly... He and the rest of the corrupt Dumpy cabal need to be locked up permanently. Aside from his nefarious financial activities, the worst of his offenses is treason.

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Response to gohuskies (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:24 PM

51. Sure

hope you are right. My god, they are all bad.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:56 PM

9. Check this out from the government's brief

Isn't it about time we started treating him like every other defendant. Or is that just for ordinary people.

Among the unique privileges Manafort enjoys at the jail are a private, self-contained living unit, which is larger than other inmates’ units, his own bathroom and shower facility, his own personal telephone, and his own workspace to prepare for trial. Manafort is also not required to wear a prison uniform. On the monitored prison phone calls, Manafort has mentioned that he is being treated like a
“VIP.”

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:03 PM

12. Except his crimes are probably far worse than most. That means he gets special treatment??

Why hasn't he flipped anyway?

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Response to triron (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:41 PM

23. Trump already promised

Him a pardon. He’s not likely to, as long as he keeps getting special treatment in there

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Response to triron (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:02 PM

46. I think it must be because he's worried about his family's safety

Maybe he's happy to go to prison for the rest of his life if not flipping keeps his family alive.

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:23 PM

17. And access to e-mail apparently?



Lock him up! Oh, wait a minute.......

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:14 PM

30. Hang tight comrade....

you're moving real soon.
Must be private contractor guards, hopefully not ex Blackwater...they'll be keistering all manner of contraband to him.

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Response to Dread Pirate Roberts (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:59 PM

58. Yet the wingnuts are screaming about him being 'tortured with solitary'.

Nobody told them that it's a suite with better amenities than some vacation condos we've stayed in!

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:57 PM

10. I guess he has no fear of committing more crime

WTF Manafort?

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:59 PM

11. Nevertheless, he persisted

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Response to lame54 (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:15 PM

31. Thats funny.

Hahahaha.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:08 PM

13. But waaaiiit, he KNOWS his phone calls are monitored, doesn't he, so why would he reveal

his sneaky method of emailing on a monitored phone call?

Meh, weird, all of this, carry on Mr. Mueller & Co!!!

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:20 PM

16. Mueller probably wants to see the emails

...maybe he'll give away something good!

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:15 PM

32. Or the software/domains etc he uses to skip over the regular security.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:20 PM

15. OMG This fucking guy!

I'm with Chait. I think Manafort's convinced somebody's trying to kill him.

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Response to blogslut (Reply #15)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:06 PM

24. Putin probably.

Manafort knows too much.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:29 PM

19. Wow, he's good at what he does, isn't he?



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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:33 PM

20. He has a two room suite, a personal phone, and a laptop at all times.


Doesn't every prisoner with bail revoked get these privileges? Manafort isn't exceptional, is he?

From the tweet:



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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:12 PM

29. He living better than Al Capone....

[link:|]

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:35 PM

21. As usual, I don't know what the hell is going on, but SpicyFiles just posted this:

Judge is P I S S E D
That footnote, help I’ve rolled out of my office chair and I am stuck under my desk
Manafort Motion: DENIED
Welcome to ADD Paul..now be a good boy and follow the US Marshals to the transport Van


Gawd Judge Ellis is running on full Octane today

NEW order re Manafort’s motion to change venue to WDVA
Bad move Paul, you’ve done pissed him off.
I’ll pray for you because pissing off a Judge is epically stupid.
R’amen pic.twitter.com/Zai8VOFgMQ

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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:11 PM

28. I think he is making him move to Arlington as first requested?

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:17 PM

33. I promise you, I have no clue, HAB! My only hope, as usual, is that Manafort is having a

really shitty day!!

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #28)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:34 PM

39. SURE IS, HAB! "..professionals...very familiar with housing...foreign and domestic terrorists,

spies and traitors”

HOLY SHIT



Judge denies Manafort request to not be moved to the Alexandria Detention Center.

"The professionals at the Alexandria Detention Center are very familiar with housing high-profile defendants including foreign and domestic terrorists, spies and traitors."





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Response to Leghorn21 (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:38 PM

41. +++++++++++

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 01:36 PM

22. I guess he is planning

to stay in contempt for a long time. I am hoping for his sentence to be publicized soon.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:06 PM

25. First rule of criminal defense, don't piss off the judge, especially a federal judge with a lifetime

appointment to the bench. Paul maybe having his fun now but in legal circles there is something called a “trial tax”. What is that? Well if you decide to try your case in front of a jury you better win because if you are found guilty the Court will most certainly make an example of you. For example, look at Martha Stewart, Leona Helmsley, Mike Vick all of whom were made examples by receiving prison terms. Manafort is playing with fire. I wonder if the Feds held a source hearing for his attorney fees

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:33 PM

52. What is a "source hearing for attorney fees"?

Is that when he has to prove how he is paying his attorney?

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Response to Delmette2.0 (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 06:18 PM

65. Often in RICO or drug cases the defendant has to show that bail money is being paid from

clean money, not money that was procured through criminal activity. Prevents defendants from using ill-gotten gains for his bail .

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #65)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 07:26 PM

66. Thank you!

Manafort might have a difficult time doing that.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:19 PM

34. But. Her. Emails.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:20 PM

35. Sneaky bastard thinks he's so smart

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:26 PM

37. Manafort should be tossed in the regular population of the jail so he gets a taste of real

jail time-with no special privileges!!

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:32 PM

38. wouldn't members of his defense team be in hot water too?

to aid in the circumvention of the judges wishes?

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 02:51 PM

44. He'll get a real jail this time. Does he really think cheetolini is going to bail him out?

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:08 PM

47. If Mueller knows what he was doing, then surely he must know what is in

the emails ?

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:22 PM

50. Incredible.

Hope he gets his privileges taken away.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:35 PM

53. Ooops. Sounds like time for some solitary to me.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:44 PM

55. What a magoo

He thought complaining about the distance would help get the trial moved. Smarty pants judge moved him instead. Hope he enjoys his new digs.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:45 PM

56. lol. Lock them all up

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:00 PM

59. Do you want to piss off your judge? Because that is how you really piss off your judge

 

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:28 PM

61. Put him in a cage

Complete with tin foil blanket, no access to phone, attorney, or family.

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Response to Bayard (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 08:47 AM

67. ... and lice

Don't forget the lice.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 04:32 PM

62. Trying to contact witnesses is what got his thrown into jail, correct?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/04/us/politics/paul-manafort-mueller-witness-tampering.html

States need to go forward with indictments that Trump can not pardon.

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Response to McCamy Taylor (Reply #62)

Wed Jul 11, 2018, 05:53 PM

64. Keep moving him to different states and we can have a raft of state charges for trying to contact

witnesses.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 09:06 AM

68. Sounds like his laptop needs to be replaced

with a legal pad and some crayons. No sharp objects.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:10 AM

70. Dirty lawyers breaking the law ..

.. and getting away with it.

What else is new in Reep Putin Land.

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Response to Miles Archer (Original post)

Thu Jul 12, 2018, 10:55 AM

71. K & R for exposure.

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