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kpete

(71,959 posts)
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:09 AM Jul 2018

MERKEL Responds!

Angela Merkel:

"I've experienced myself a part of Germany controlled by the Soviet Union, and I’m very happy today that we are united in freedom ... and can thus say that we can determine our own policies and make our own decisions and that’s very good."









German Chancellor Angela Merkel is defending her country’s independence following comments from President Donald Trump suggesting that Berlin was operating under Russian influence.

Heading into a NATO meeting in Brussels, Merkel noted that she had grown up in communist East Germany.

Without mentioning Trump’s comments specifically, she told reporters Wednesday: “I’ve experienced myself a part of Germany controlled by the Soviet Union and I’m very happy today that we are united in freedom as the Federal Republic of Germany and can thus say that we can determine our own policies and make our own decisions and that’s very good.”

Earlier, Trump had suggested that because of a new pipeline deal to bring more Russian gas to Germany, “Germany as far as I’m concerned is captive to Russia.

https://apnews.com/5d9af207650e42cd9fbf96ce7d8c59d1?utm_medium=AP&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter
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MERKEL Responds! (Original Post) kpete Jul 2018 OP
A wonderful comeback after the Orange Dunce Ilsa Jul 2018 #1
Great rephrasing of an iconic movie line. maddiemom Jul 2018 #16
Good for her. I'm so embarrassed to be an American. SCRUBDASHRUB Jul 2018 #2
Arrrgh, he has his ever lovin' nerve Ohiogal Jul 2018 #3
She says fuck-off in the most skillful ways BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #4
Unlike her current American counterpart DFW Jul 2018 #6
Her tongue is probably bloody NastyRiffraff Jul 2018 #32
She probably chewed MFM008 Jul 2018 #33
It must be hard for Bettie Jul 2018 #5
I would have had to fight the desire to stab his tiny hand with my salad fork. BigmanPigman Jul 2018 #38
I would have had the very same problem. Bettie Jul 2018 #40
Pity us Americans living and working abroad DFW Jul 2018 #7
Was in Germany under W, can only imagine how bad it is now bigbrother05 Jul 2018 #25
I was asked to by my European friends to predict the outcome of the 2004 election DFW Jul 2018 #30
In 2002, all our German friends were surprised at our distaste for W bigbrother05 Jul 2018 #34
Heartbreaking... BlancheSplanchnik Jul 2018 #37
"Margins too large" - That must be our goal. Beartracks Jul 2018 #42
I'm related to a tech at Diebold and he's been saying the same for years LakeArenal Jul 2018 #39
Playing way out of his league. Sad. n/t sarge43 Jul 2018 #8
The only Iron Curtain in Trump's experience BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #10
Blaming someone else, Trumps a captive of Russia. blueinredohio Jul 2018 #9
ameriKa has built an iron curtain of ingnorance around itself elmac Jul 2018 #11
The Puppet as far as I'm concerned is captive to Russia. eShirl Jul 2018 #12
He's clearly projecting as usual. What a dickhead. BSdetect Jul 2018 #17
+1000 fierywoman Jul 2018 #31
Doesn't Germany have a very large capacity of solar energy? Roland99 Jul 2018 #13
Yup. sarge43 Jul 2018 #18
Yes, and I thought too along their equivalent of the interstate highways, they have lined w/ SWBTATTReg Jul 2018 #35
Yep, but not even close to not needing any fossil fuels Ezior Jul 2018 #28
My first thought when I heard tRump's comment about Russian gas was... KY_EnviroGuy Jul 2018 #41
Right idea... Wrong country. world wide wally Jul 2018 #14
SHE is the leader of the free world now Fritz Walter Jul 2018 #15
Who is the "we" in her statement "we are united in freedom"? nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #19
Germany, she is talking about the separation ... CatMor Jul 2018 #27
Once again we see trump using the same tactics and patterns duforsure Jul 2018 #20
thank you bdamomma Jul 2018 #21
Correction: "America as far as I'm concerned is captive to Russia. " Dorn Jul 2018 #22
Trump has a view of world of armed camps with little cooperation or trade. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2018 #23
3rd grade playground rant: Little too close to his own truth: lindysalsagal Jul 2018 #24
At some point - our leaders (?) in this nation Dan Jul 2018 #26
Projection HootieMcBoob Jul 2018 #29
Dolt 45 letting the stupid fly in Europe. sarcasmo Jul 2018 #36

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
1. A wonderful comeback after the Orange Dunce
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:11 AM
Jul 2018

insulted her, Germany, and NATO.

Can we impeach him yet? Mueller? Mueller?

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
16. Great rephrasing of an iconic movie line.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:58 AM
Jul 2018

Even better that it was uber-Republican Ben Stein ( who claimed he disagreed with Trump's economic views, but would still vote for him). Mueller? Mueller? I hope it catches on, and hurries things up.

Ohiogal

(31,907 posts)
3. Arrrgh, he has his ever lovin' nerve
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:12 AM
Jul 2018

accusing ANY other country in a derisive manner of being held captive to Russia the way he kisses Putin's arse!

DFW

(54,276 posts)
6. Unlike her current American counterpart
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:48 AM
Jul 2018

Angela Merkel is smart and knows how to be a head of state.

Bettie

(16,068 posts)
5. It must be hard for
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:18 AM
Jul 2018

intelligent foreign leaders who understand diplomacy and human decency to sit at a table with the Orange Clown we allow to cavort on the international stage and not just walk out.

This guy is what you'd come up with if you wanted an over-the-top villain...and then, the guy reading the script would say "Tone it down, no one will buy this!".

And the Trumpkins are cheering this boorish behavior.

Bettie

(16,068 posts)
40. I would have had the very same problem.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:04 PM
Jul 2018

But, that's why they are leaders! More self-control, I guess.

DFW

(54,276 posts)
7. Pity us Americans living and working abroad
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:50 AM
Jul 2018

From "can we have him when you are done (Clinton and Obama)?" to "America First!" when they know perfectly well that the one associated with that phrase is really putting America last--no small feat in the short amount of time he has been wreaking his destruction.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
25. Was in Germany under W, can only imagine how bad it is now
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:51 AM
Jul 2018

All the expats were mortified in 2004 when Dimson was retained.

Returned in Oct 2008 and saw great rejoicing at Obama's win.

You must be feeling massive political whiplash.

My son is still there and considering taking a job on the local economy to just fade into the crowd.

DFW

(54,276 posts)
30. I was asked to by my European friends to predict the outcome of the 2004 election
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 12:08 PM
Jul 2018

Keep in mind that my brother, who does all sorts of hush-hush projects for DARPA, had told me in 2002 that that any electronic voting machine can be hacked and manipulated. He said, "give me a cell phone and a a laptop, and I'll make any of those machines give any result you want."

So I told my European friends that I predicted that Kerry would win the election, and that Bush would remain in office. They were amazed to find out how accurate my prediction was.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
34. In 2002, all our German friends were surprised at our distaste for W
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:09 PM
Jul 2018

They had positive feelings toward the US and Americans in general. Had to explain our experiences in TX with him as the Governor and the foul taste of the election.

It wasn't too long before they came to understand just how much can change when the social norms are flaunted. 2004 was a big shock because they had such trust that the Americans would see their mistake and send him packing.

Think your brother is spot on, there was point shaving in 2004. Obama had margins too large to steal it.

Now they don't even care and no one is doing the work necessary to prove they stole at least 3-5 states outright to go along with all the suppression, propaganda, and Comey's meddling.

Beartracks

(12,797 posts)
42. "Margins too large" - That must be our goal.
Thu Jul 12, 2018, 12:20 AM
Jul 2018

Do Republicans cheat? Yes. Collude? Probably. Cheat some more? You bet!

But if every Democrat, everywhere, votes, and votes every time, then we can - together - overwhelm those cheats. Bigly.

========

 

elmac

(4,642 posts)
11. ameriKa has built an iron curtain of ingnorance around itself
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:23 AM
Jul 2018

as long as we have really stupid fascist pigs running things its only going to get worse.

sarge43

(28,940 posts)
18. Yup.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:00 AM
Jul 2018

Among other things solar panels over parking lots - what a brilliant idea. Protects the cars, efficient use of unused space, powers surrounding buildings.

SWBTATTReg

(22,065 posts)
35. Yes, and I thought too along their equivalent of the interstate highways, they have lined w/
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 03:15 PM
Jul 2018

solar too?

Ezior

(505 posts)
28. Yep, but not even close to not needing any fossil fuels
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:58 AM
Jul 2018

See https://energy-charts.de/energy.htm?source=all-sources&period=annual&year=all

~40% of produced electricity in Germany is from renewables (lots of wind, some solar / hydro / bio mass).
We also use some natural gas for electricity production (~10%).

But we need a lot of natural gas for heating. Winters are cold around here and the transition to heat pumps for heating is rather slow.

So we need fossil fuels for at least a few more decades. It's hard to decide between natural gas and coal. Coal causes rapid climate change, but for gas we depend on Russia (the Dutch are stopping their natural gas exports which will reduce supplier diversity even more). We could get more liquified natural gas from e.g. the US or Quatar, but of course, that's not exactly great for the climate, either.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,488 posts)
41. My first thought when I heard tRump's comment about Russian gas was...
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:09 PM
Jul 2018

that he's wanting to sell more LNG to Europe. My second thought was he's also doing it to throw meat to his rabid voter base.

I believe Germany also needs lots of NG for many of it's industries such as steel and glass/ceramic production.

Thanks for your feedback!......

Fritz Walter

(4,290 posts)
15. SHE is the leader of the free world now
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 09:53 AM
Jul 2018

iq45 is the big, orange baby of the free world. And his diaper needs changing.

duforsure

(11,884 posts)
20. Once again we see trump using the same tactics and patterns
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:25 AM
Jul 2018

Accusing Germany of Russian influence , when he's the one letting putin influence here in the USA , and trumps the one trying to get development deals in NK and Russia. He's done this over and over again. She should respond I'm not the one praising putin and attacking allies, he is. He's also the one claiming putin is a fine guy after he's murdered another person in another country and a terrorist. trump often uses this to accuse others of what he's doing. They can't trust anything he says, and he won't be there if they need us, and the republicans may pass something but then he goes ahead and is allowed to continue . The republicans are enabling him and his behavior to continue without any consequences. No republican can be trusted , ever again for not putting a stop to this now. They will pay next election , and for generations.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,955 posts)
23. Trump has a view of world of armed camps with little cooperation or trade.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:46 AM
Jul 2018

He thinks each unit should be self-sufficient in things like defense and energy production. That is so 1818.

Ain't gonna happen in 2018, except that tRump is moving forward with his great project: Making America Go Alone.

lindysalsagal

(20,581 posts)
24. 3rd grade playground rant: Little too close to his own truth:
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:50 AM
Jul 2018

He's like a little bug in a jar taunting a bug in a jar.

Dan

(3,537 posts)
26. At some point - our leaders (?) in this nation
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 10:52 AM
Jul 2018

Will have to recognize the obvious - that Trump is a Russian agent. To refuse to recognize this is to ignore the actions of his presidency.

HootieMcBoob

(3,823 posts)
29. Projection
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jul 2018

As usual anything that he or The GOP accuse someone else of you can be certain that he/they are guilty of that very thing themselves.

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