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Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:13 PM Jul 2018

They don't give a shit if millions demonstrate,

march, stage sit-ins, block roads, picket the White House and the Capitol building, hold signs, float balloons, and fill the air with screams of anger.

They really don't care. We have all the outrage. They have all the power.

Hopefully, the demonstrations will turn out and increase the vote. But let's not forget that we're dealing with criminals who specialize in voter suppression, gerrymandering, "lost" votes, "scrubbed" voter rolls, Russian assistance, and, if it comes to it, a Supreme Court that will find them to be the winners, -- no matter what. (Bush v. Gore)

Our single purpose, goal, aim, reason for existing at this moment, is to beat them at the polls and then, slow down their juggernaut that is bent on destroying democracy.

But there's one more thought that must be added here. What if they've corrupted the election system to the extent that we can't win no matter how large the turnout? What if we are facing a horrible future with Republicans remaining in charge of the House, the Senate, the Supreme Court, and the White House?

That's a big, "what if." Nonetheless, if it comes to pass, America, as we know it, may well be over.

We need a plan B.

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They don't give a shit if millions demonstrate, (Original Post) Cyrano Jul 2018 OP
Their power is imaginary. It isn't genetic, it isn't psychic, and it isn't divine ck4829 Jul 2018 #1
Their power isnt imaginary it is given to them by the constitution Fullduplexxx Jul 2018 #12
Not necessarily. ck4829 Jul 2018 #15
We can make their lives miserable in public kimbutgar Jul 2018 #2
that can easily backfire highmindedhavi Jul 2018 #6
Plan B for sure essaynnc Jul 2018 #3
I think they do care. murielm99 Jul 2018 #4
It's only 45 who cares Cyrano Jul 2018 #8
National strike nt G_j Jul 2018 #5
They definitely care. They want to operate in the shadows. Our loud voices rainin Jul 2018 #7
When you own the "law," the army, Fox "news," Cyrano Jul 2018 #9
He who casts the votes decide nothing. He who counts the votes decides everything. Initech Jul 2018 #10
I've already seriously considered your question. lunatica Jul 2018 #11
Conservatives have been playing this game for 40 years Cyrano Jul 2018 #13
My response lunatica Jul 2018 #14

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
1. Their power is imaginary. It isn't genetic, it isn't psychic, and it isn't divine
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018

Right wing extremists in the government say X and people obey X.

That is all there is to it.

It can be taken away, starting today even...

https://www.aeinstein.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/How-Nonviolent-Struggle-Works.pdf

Be sure to read the nature and control of political power. This can be our Plan B as well.

ck4829

(34,977 posts)
15. Not necessarily.
Wed Jul 11, 2018, 08:19 AM
Jul 2018

"Respect for the office" is nowhere in the Constitution.
"ICE" is nowhere in the Constitution.
The whole idea of parties and partisan politics is not really supported by the Constitution either. It's a whole different animal.

They do have power that we allow them.

kimbutgar

(20,882 posts)
2. We can make their lives miserable in public
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:17 PM
Jul 2018

Public shaming, interrupting dinners, blocking cars. As Michael Moore said circling the Capitol with millions of people yelling shame, resign go away and straight representing us not corporation and wealthy donors.

I love that turtle had another dinner interrupted.

essaynnc

(792 posts)
3. Plan B for sure
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:20 PM
Jul 2018

Thanks for putting in two words, what I've been thinking for a while. We know there was something wrong with the last vote, because the exit polls didn't match up with the actual vote Tally's.

So let's say it happens again? Democratic turnout is twice what it was last time, and we still lose? What is Plan B??? An Arab Spring, in the United States? I'm willing to play my part to keep America free.

murielm99

(30,656 posts)
4. I think they do care.
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:23 PM
Jul 2018

They would not be doing all this whining about civility if they did not care.

45 has a very thin skin.

Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
8. It's only 45 who cares
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:45 PM
Jul 2018

He's permanently pissed that "god" doesn't seem to have his cell phone number.

Trump's whining is a side show. Those who want absolute power, DON'T CARE about "civility," or any of the other crap peddled by the media.

THEY WANT ABSOLUTE POWER.

And it looks like they're well on the way to getting it.

rainin

(3,010 posts)
7. They definitely care. They want to operate in the shadows. Our loud voices
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 01:29 PM
Jul 2018

are their greatest fear. They know when we march, people who might otherwise not care about viting, take notice. Those who do care, feel emboldened and energized. It matters. Don't let the Russian / republican tell you otherwise.

Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
9. When you own the "law," the army, Fox "news,"
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:06 PM
Jul 2018

the whips, the chains, and 40% of the the country is backing you, do you really believe they give a rat's ass about "some so-called majority opinion"??

Hopefully, we can beat them at the polls.

But if not, we need a plan B.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
11. I've already seriously considered your question.
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 02:17 PM
Jul 2018

If you’re prepared for all outcomes you will find a way to deal with them. You need more than a plan B though. To me it’s like pondering your next five moves in a chess game. Each one can become obsolete the second your opponent makes their move.

That’s why it takes so long to make each move. There’s raging calculations going on just out of sight in the players’ brains.

Cyrano

(15,023 posts)
13. Conservatives have been playing this game for 40 years
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 04:35 PM
Jul 2018

while we've been playing with ourselves.

They have funded institutions such as the Heritage Foundation, the Federalist Society, and many other "think tanks" to establish their goals, lay out their plans for achieving them, and getting like-minded people into office, from local school boards, to city commissioners, to state officials, on up to the U.S. house and senate. They've succeeded brilliantly.

Control of local and federal courts has always been one of their objectives and, at that level, they are succeeding beyond their wildest dreams. Owning the Supreme Court has been their wet dream forever. Now they've got it.

We Democrats don't think this way. We've always relied on people "doing the right thing," and we've always believed that democracy would somehow, "magically," triumph over any evil that tried to attack it. We've had faith in the innate decency and goodness of human beings, while the enemies of democracy have spun their very effective webs to ensnare the minds of millions.

Well, here we are. We're on the right side of history, morality and humanity. So why are we being crushed? Because we underestimated the enemies of freedom.

They've got a 40 year head start. We've got a lot of catching up to do and not much time to do it. "Plan B" is some vague concept born of desperation.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
14. My response
Tue Jul 10, 2018, 05:23 PM
Jul 2018

is if they win completely and take over making the country a dictatorship. I know we have a fight ahead but I’m not naïve enough to think they can’t win.

Sure we’ll fight them but what if we lose even once or just a few times more.

That’s where my comment is coming from.

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