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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI'm sorry, but I'm so tired of Harry Reid
I know he's done some great things for us behind the scenes over the
past years.......and I guess I agree on this lying thing which I hope
the fuck doesn't back fire, but we need some young blood running our
party. Even when Harry is at his best calling out the republicans on the
floor, he looks like my grandfather sitting on the front porch yelling
at the kids in the street. I know there are not a lot of dem. senators
out there to choose from, but that "Bullpucky" or whatever word he used
has got to go. I'm just saying........We desperately need some new aggressive young bloods
representing our anger, fear, dreams and hope out there.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)LaydeeBug
(10,291 posts)Ok then.
madokie
(51,076 posts)Enjoy
Pizz
(69 posts)DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)I remember more shit than most people forgot..........
your question plez.
whathehell
(29,029 posts)You speak for many.
You don't mind if I call you Pizz, do you? Anyway Pizz, Democrats don't take kindly to ageism as a rule.
Response to Chorophyll (Reply #74)
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yewberry
(6,530 posts)I think people are looking at your post count, noting your negative remarks about Reid, adding a dash of ageism, and assuming the worst.
I don't think that you need to 'behave correctly'-- I think you just need to be aware that you're displaying a pattern that we often see with our more under-the-bridge-type visitors.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)and you might get along ok. You're not off to a very good start.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Don't be shy, really let 'em have it.
Pizz
(69 posts)Xenophobic , misogynistic, homophobic, racist, trickle down economic
idiots who wrap their arms around health care insurance companies and wall street
cheats!
UnrepentantLiberal
(11,700 posts)Somehow I don't think you're new here.
Pizz
(69 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I can't believe the number of people who are calling you a troll. U may or may not be one but they know they are not supposed to be accusing you of it. I wonder how many of them alerted on that?
Often new posters get the crap beat out of them in this way. You can't say anything to please them unless you just kiss their ass.
Thats what tires me; watching the political correct police, the grammar police, the troll concern police, the righteous raiders, and the snark patrol tear into posters, jumping on each word.
As far as Harry. I don't remember him doing a damned thing in the last 10 years that I could say "Go Harry" about. I don't know that you would call it just an age thing but a timid thing. And yes I too have said to myself "Show some balls Harry, show some god damned balls"
As far as what he just did. I finally get to say "go Harry" Finally some Harry balls.
I don't believe Harry is lying and yes you did sort of say that in your OP. When called on it you said Mitt was lying, but read your op and it is clear that you were saying Harry was lying and you were ok with it. I don't believe he is lying.
as for young dynamic leaders-yes we need them. We need more Al Frankens, Graysons, Weiners,Sanders. Not Young guns there but they do seem to stand up for the people. And that's what we need.
so, if you are not a troll, I welcome you. If you are a troll, it's ok with me coz I'm a troll over in freeperville. Those guys are a fucking nut riot eh? They are fun to work into a rabbid lather. And so easy to manipulate. They never suspect you once you get enough posts in.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)As to thinking people are trolls, it is true that low post count would come into play. However, there are some trolls who quickly get in many innocuous posts before trying to "troll". They are still easy to identify after they do this. In part, this is because the active parts of the two sides are far enough apart that there it is almost like they speak different dialects of a common language.
I was one of the people who had no problem when over time a few self identified Republicans posted honestly - but the reaction they got made them leave. I suspect that some moderate Republicans might at this point actually fit better as Democrats - even though on some issues they would be too conservative. Here I am not speaking of elected moderates, but moderate voters. These are people that we might be able to reach for their votes for President, Senate and House.
I think that Reid is underrated here. Both Reid and Baucus got hell here for not creating a health care bill with a public option (or was single payer). While I agree that a single payer system would be better and cost less, there were not enough votes. What they did do was to craft a bill that got the needed votes by the skin of its teeth - and that bill will gradually be seen as the start of actually providing health care for all.
I know many here liked Weiner and Grayson, but neither were really doing what was needed to actually pass legislation and BOTH embarrassed us. Grayson with an ad that included an edited sentence his opponent said - where the edit changed the meaning. Doing this is wrong when Romney does it (twice already) to Obama or the SBVT did it to John Kerry. At that point, he lost my respect. As to Weiner his inexplicable irresponsible behavior led to his downfall.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)I have to admit that Weiner was a stupid fool that brought about his own downfall. His photo tex ting, as if not bad enough by itself, came out while his new wife was pregnant. That made it even worse. But surely the pure stupidity in risking everything is the worst of it. However, when you get down to it,I still appreciate his politics and would welcome him back.
Grayson-I love me some Grayson and would like a dozen more just like him. Yes his ad was a blunder but that's all it was.
As to the calling out of trolls, yes I guess many of the callers have witnessed many a troll and their experience in spotting them mano doubt is superior to mine. Still I don't think this poster deserved the treatment they received here.
I do admit that the calling out of Reid now is unusual timing as the rest of us are applauding his new growth. Reid would be very effective if the two party's acted like they were suppose to, in working together to implement the will of the peoples. But the last ten years has had none of that.
I attribute his ability to take such a stand as this to Occupy. It changed the political scene and when the dems saw the republicans crack, they jumped in there. Things are changing. Not fast enough but they are changing.
I applaud Reid today.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)is about removing the Democratic Majority Leader in the Senate. You are surprised at the attacks?
and I think there are some things worth calling Harry Reid out on, but his age is not one of them. For the most part, Harry is a great Democrat, leave his age out of it.
Warpy
(111,124 posts)and anybody posting ageist hogwash is going to get spanked.
There are plenty of valid criticisms to level against Reid, starting with his timidity in changing the filibuster rule so that Republicans can no longer abuse it. However, his age is not a valid criticism nor are his looks.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)Harry Reid has been in the Senate since 1987. Time to retire!
Oh, you mean he grew a spine in 2012? I remember 8 long years under Bush where Harry couldn't find his spine.
whathehell
(29,029 posts)Ted Kennedy was in office longer than that, and I don't imagine you want to mess with his legacy.
As for Harry and the retrieval of his spine...Better late than never, I say.
arely staircase
(12,482 posts)Are yo looking for an "a".
My impression is that the median age of DUers is around 45. I'm younger than that even, 32. Pass for 25 and date 23 year olds.
I'm only as old as the woman I'm feeling.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Actually, I'm not really wondering because I have a working hypothesis, but feel free to explain.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)sarge43
(28,940 posts)greatauntoftriplets
(175,728 posts)Today is my 63rd birthday. My retirement is three years from today.
And, yes, many of us here are over 60.
karynnj
(59,498 posts)Especially on this. Reid, with the grandfatherly demeanor, is perfect to raise this issue as he did - and the Republicans have reacted predictably with outrage.
Yet, where the Republicans usually used surrogates they could disavow, Reid is a major Democrat. The difference is that what Reid is saying is almost certainly true - someone did TELL him that Romney paid no taxes. Reid never said he had personal knowledge of that. What is clear from Romney's IRA and Cayman Islands and Swiss accounts is that Romney is not being straight in saying that he did not avoid taxes. He clearly did using aggressive methods. This is NOT to say he did anything illegal, but the bar here when running for President is not "illegal", but whether people see it as sneaky or unseemly for a President.
The Republicans are over reacting in their outrage - to an audience of moderates in the middle who are independent who certainly remember that President Bush's Texas moneymen funded the SBVT to lie about John Kerry's real heroism and sacrifice as a young man and have seen some people who are elected officials in the Republican party continue to question Obama's birth certificate although there was NEVER any basis to question where he was born.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But yes we need new blood...but that takes time...you don't just run out and pick up a nice 30 something on the corner.
I suggest you run yourself even if it is for dog catcher...get to know the job and government from the inside...or if you can't or won't then find someone you think would be good and get him or her to run.
Meantime we have a serious problem with the ones we have and we have to use what we have...and right now Harry Reid is working for us...give him credit for it.
And welcome to DU...we are not all old fogies here, just some of us are.
tblue
(16,350 posts)I'm not 60 yet but every one of us will be, unless we die really young. Good, wise advice.
There's plenty that Harry Reid goes that pisses me off, but I an not about to say he should back down when he just landed one helluva punch.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)The topic of "ageism" keeps coming up in this thread.. and even had a post that maybe the "elders" know better... and you are trying to attract younger voters to the Party???? by calling them trolls....
Just a few notables...
John Tyler 51
Millard Fillmore 50
Abraham Lincoln 52
Ulysses S. Grant 46
Theodore Roosevelt 42
John F. Kennedy 43
Jimmy Carter 52
Bill Clinton 46
Barack Obama 47
Oldest President at inauguration
. Ronald Reagan 69
Average age of Democratic Leadership in 2012 = 70 years old.
Amount of President elected at age 70 = ZERO!
Ageism? Take a look at the history of elected officials. Only in the last 30 year has it becomes common for officials to stay in office.. for 30+ years. How many Democratic Leaders have been in office for MORE THAN 20 years?
Name 5 up and coming Democratic Leaders... under 40 years old.
What does this have to do with Harry Reid? I am pointing out that he has become a career politician, and I don't think that is good for the Dem Party. Yeah, great, he is standing up to Romney. I applaud the death spike Harry is handing to Mitt. Fantastic! I think Obama is going to win! I am voting for Obama! And then in 2013, I don't want Harry Reid as the Senate majority Leader, because he has been EXTREMELY DEFICIENT at rallying a caucus on... read the next part carefully. Public Option.. Ending Wars... Filibustering anything Bush did... I can go on... self-enriching spending bills... yeah.. remember THAT Harry Reid.
We deserve a better Majority Leader than Harry Reed. And that is what the OP main message was... but we have a bunch of sheep here on DU who are fawning over Harry new-found spine and calling the OP a troll for calling out Harry Reed as a week leader.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Cause I never suggested anyone was a troll and I agreed with the OP that we need new blood and made suggestions on how to achieve that.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)As if Obama, at age 50, doesn't rely on Reid, et al to implement his strategic ideas? Seriously. Obama counts on Reid to know HOW to manipulate the entire Senate and only experience and knowledge does that under the current system.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)do you realize how silly that statement sounds... Reid has been completely stonewalled with obstructionism in the Senate. Yeah, it the GOP's fault.. but don't try to tell us how "good" Reid has handled the Senate in the last 2 years.
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)watch Reid and learn
cthulu2016
(10,960 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Not of Harry Reid, though...
Pizz
(69 posts)Again is anyone younger than 50 on this site?
MineralMan
(146,254 posts)If you're going to play ageism here, you're not going to enjoy yourself a lot.
FarPoint
(12,282 posts)I shan't guess.....temped though.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Pizz needs a timeout.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)one suspects it will happen in it's own time & place.
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)I wasn't the first alerter on the ageism insult, so don't have the jury results, only the outcome.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)don't think you're being too original.
southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)them in a corner. He isn't lying. He said he heard from someone that he hasn't paid his taxes. Nothing wrong with that. Reid even when he was younger was always quiet. Remember he was a boxer in college and he isn't backing down. One thing for sure Reid isn't a liar. Don't count him out just yet. He is player the rope a dope.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!
Thanks. That was awesome.
Arkansas Granny
(31,506 posts)RKP5637
(67,084 posts)spanone
(135,781 posts)RandiFan1290
(6,221 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)newfie11
(8,159 posts)Husband and I
nenagh
(1,925 posts)all the way to the election, if needs be..
Lucy Goosey
(2,940 posts)part man all 86
(367 posts)"he looks like my grandfather sitting on the front porch yelling
at the kids in the street."
I'm grateful we have him on our team.
Iggo
(47,534 posts)You're on the wrong bus, buddy!
RKP5637
(67,084 posts)Pizz
(69 posts)Now, is that out of line?
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Iggo
(47,534 posts)You really ought to try not walking through life in fear. Once you've mastered that, the politics of fear don't work on you anymore. And yeah, maybe you gotta survive three or four or five or a half dozen decades of crises before that happens. I can't really help you with that. That's your own journey. Mine was tough enough. But, MAN, it's a beautiful feeling when you're not afraid of what they tell you to be afraid of! When you're not looking over your shoulder in fear, you can look ahead and move forward. That's progress, baby. Way better than barging into a room and busting out with "Hey, that Harry Reid. He's old! Am I right?"
Welcome to DU.
Stick around.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)but I'm quickly becoming a big one now.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)Oh, such heresy to differ with DU main stream!
Must be a troll, but a sneaky one.
DemocratsForProgress
(545 posts)just saying
Pizz
(69 posts)But this place is full of paranoia.
DemocratsForProgress
(545 posts)MineralMan
(146,254 posts)Maybe you're not so young after all.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Insulting others in this community isn't something praiseworthy.
frogmarch
(12,153 posts)fucker, get off our lawn!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Harry... happens to be rockin' the Casbah currently.
TheCowsCameHome
(40,167 posts)Just you wait.
Ineeda
(3,626 posts)Harry's could run circles around your 'young bloods.'
Good one
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)I say Give 'Em Hell, Harry!
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Iggo
(47,534 posts)I'm proud of ya.
alstephenson
(2,415 posts)NOT.
We need "young guns" who actually care about
the 99%.
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)It takes work to run for office, not to mention dollars. I like your spunk, but you come here to a site where most of us cut our teeth on activism and you tell us we're too old to be effective.
In case you didn't know there is no age restriction when it comes to being part of the 99%.
The Magistrate
(95,241 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And that's the kind of guy you need as Senate Majority Leader...he's doing fine right now, keeping Mittens' lies out in the open.
yewberry
(6,530 posts)Exactly?
Pizz
(69 posts)This reminds me of a Rove set up which has previously been mentioned
on this site before.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)I suppose everyone needs a hobby. You'd be doing yourself a favor if you took up needlepoint or gardening, though. At least then you'd have something tangible for all the countless hours you devote to your pursuit.
Honestly, I've never understood this behavior.
Champion Jack
(5,378 posts)yewberry
(6,530 posts)Absolute worst case, Romney releases his taxes, and citizens get a good long look at how wealthy he is, $77,000 dressage deductions and all, despite his folksy "I'm one of you" routine.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)questions remain about where he lived when he voted. He said he was living in his sons unfinished basement. I doubt that mother has ever seen an unfinished basement. Voting in an election that you do not live in is a felony, I believe.
Also seems to be a question of whether he was actually eligible to run as Governor when he did. When did he live where again.
Add to that his huge income.
His probably legal but pushing it, deductions
His tithing amount.
unclaimed income?
took the amnesty?
off shore accts
there is more than the fact that he is super rich in those returns
malaise
(268,676 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Whisp
(24,096 posts)obvious much?
Pizz
(69 posts)And be honest. The trolls on this site, what do they do go back and report
to right wing sites? Who gives a shit. I thought his was a site for progressives
to discuss shit.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)brush
(53,738 posts)Preaching to the choir by insulting one of the dems that has the balls to stand up to the rethugs? Not a good idea, but stick around, kid if you're for real and not a troll. You might learn something.
Lone_Star_Dem
(28,158 posts)All signs of a lack of dedication and weak skills.
The other side is really off their game this year if this is what they're sending to compete.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)The smell of pizza is strong in this thread...
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Horse with no Name
(33,956 posts)Did you get lost?
This complaint while he's holding Romney feet to the fire?
Are you even paying attention?
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)and a hundred dollar bill.
BumRushDaShow
(128,406 posts)DJ13
(23,671 posts)handmade34
(22,756 posts)you young'uns are so damn impatient... and who are you accusing of lying??? where's your proof??
and as for your "aggressive young bloods"... age has nothing to do with activism
Pizz
(69 posts)Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)Pisces
(5,599 posts)yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)ornotna
(10,793 posts)Bullshit!
There, is that better.
DainBramaged
(39,191 posts)NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)JohnnyLib2
(11,211 posts)Ol' Harry has "occupied" the Senate floor for a long time and he keeps on fighting.
Incitatus
(5,317 posts)I'm not one of them. I think there's more tangible and damaging evidence to come and rMoney is toast.
Chorophyll
(5,179 posts)Get off my lawn, Pizz. Find something real to worry about.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)It is diverting the Romney's attention and pressing the issue of his tax returns.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)DevonRex
(22,541 posts)Maybe my kids feel the same way, although they're both pretty impressed with Reid's political skill with Romney's taxes.
But to lead he senate you have to have a lot more than youth and fire. You have to have years of experience - the kind Reid is showing today.
The kind you're talking about, that zeal and hope? Those young people ran OFA in 2008 and got Obama elected. I know because one of my sons was on the team. So you aren't wrong, just misdirected. --------->
HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)Raine
(30,540 posts)Enrique
(27,461 posts)welcome to DU.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)this is Mormon vs. Mormon although perhaps this is purely coincidental...
drm604
(16,230 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)where you are coming from.
What Reid said will not backfire because Robme will never, ever tell the truth and release his returns
He is an anal retentive. Anal Retentive people, like he is, put a high value on amassing possessions and money. They are obstinate and obstinate people dig their foot in the sand. They also act childish, like Robme did, "put up or shut up." He has a superiority air about him and has decided to just say no...you little people can not tell me what to do. But, this little people are the 99%, duh.
Anyone who won't let their kids stop to go to the bathroom, except in pre-designated spots that Robme meticulously scheduled, is no one I want to lead our country.
aint_no_life_nowhere
(21,925 posts)That's a new one to me. The guy really does have mental issues. Off to Google I go.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)in the article.
Romney meticulously planned the trip from Boston to Ontario....down to the stops for gas (and peeing). He told them there would be no exceptions!
Who does this? My dad never liked to stop...but hell, if someone had to pee, he would have.
This was the infamous Seamus trip. Seamus had diarrhea and it spilled on to the windshield, so Romney stopped and sprayed the window clean.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)"You don't use a weak reed to prop yourself up or give you any support; chances are that bugger will bend, snap and splinter and cut your hand up like nobody's business.
When the new Democratic majority took power in the Senate in 2006 I (along with many others) expected things to slightly improve. By "slightly improve" I mean that the Senate would insist more on its Constitutional prerogatives and fend off the Bush Regime's more egregious assaults on the rule of law and common decency.
Instead I was treated with the spectacle of watching Harry Reid (D-NV) whimper and roll over faster than a Nevadan hooker at the prospect of scoring some john's gambling winnings by taking it up the ass. On virtually every subject.
Which brings me, mercifully, to the subject of Joseph Lieberman (CT-Quisling).
Instead of actually punishing Lieberman for Party disloyalty or at least giving him a wedgie, the Democratic Senate Caucus is allowing him to sail on virtually unscathed, losing a relatively unimportant subcommittee chairmanship and giving what was probably a facile, insincere apology written for him by a Republican staffer."
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yeah.. tough guy Harry Reid. Oh how they forget...
or maybe another example of "Dirty Harry"....
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Harry Reid Poll: Nevadans See Senator As "Weak"
A majority of Nevadans want a public health care option and are worried about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's leadership on this and other issues, according to a new Research 2000 poll. Failure to pass a public health care option would make a significant number of voters less inclined to re-elect the longtime senator.
A majority of respondents called Reid a weak leader and ineffective, according to the poll. While more Republicans and independents described Reid as a weak leader, a full 47% of Democrats also had an unfavorable opinion of the Senator's leadership. Fifty-one percent of party members, meanwhile, said Reid was ineffective. Ninety-two percent of Democrats said Reid was "not progressive enough."
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So Harry has been in the Senate since 1987.... I am not in favor of ANY politicians serving for "20+ years"
I personally would prefer a Progressive Leader.. not a Harry Reid.
Pizz
(69 posts)As I stated before, I'm very nervous about a Rove like set up.
Manning all the way again this year!
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)planted a scam, and had a bogus Bain "investor" call Reid with this bogus information that Romney paid no taxes.
What would they do? Uncover this scam and say haha it was a punk? A punk who said he didn't pay taxes and he really did?
If it's a Rove plan, it's not a very good one. Because it brings the lights on the tax issue, which is a weakness. And, if they come out and say it was bogus...people would be going "WTF" ..is this all you have to do?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)a rove like set up?
Odin2005
(53,521 posts)Canuckistanian
(42,290 posts)Well, stick around. You might learn a thing or two here.
Harry is playing 4 dimension chess while you're thinking of the next checker move.
Pizz
(69 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)He was such a wimpy pushover during the Bush years,
but recently has been showing some signs of actually
having a pair of balls.
StrictlyRockers
(3,855 posts)I can't get enough of his hardball tactics.
Right now, I expect the people who are the most sick of Reid's grandpa guts you smooth and calm routine are Rmoney and his handlers.
NNN0LHI
(67,190 posts)Seriously, some folks aren't cut out for politics.
Don
Matariki
(18,775 posts)brush
(53,738 posts)Are you new to the politics of the last few years? You haven't noticed Reid has had the President's back on getting the legislation passed through the Senate that defines his first term despite all the repug opposition. And that includes the ACA, the Lilly Ledbetter Act, the stimulus and the auto industry bail out. I live in Nevada and the way he kicked bat shit Crazy Sharon Angle's behind in the 2010 election, when everyone thought she would win, was a thing of beauty, a text book case on how to beat crazy repugs. He just ran ads with videos of her own crazy statements 24/7 and beat her easily. You should be taking notes from Harry Reid. He's got Romney's whole campaign occupied with trying not to show his taxes day after day, week after week. It's all tactics, kid. It was no lucky accident that dropped the no-taxes-paid-in-ten-years pigeon splat on Rmoney's head. It was all planned and executed beautifully by a tough in fighter who knew exactly what he was doing, having the President's back again when it was needed. And by the way, Reid is a former boxer who can probably still kick your . . . well, you know what I mean.
aquart
(69,014 posts)nc4bo
(17,651 posts)mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)Who else stood up? Anyone, young or old? Who else had the balls to "go rogue", without the winking and You Betcha crap? Took Nancy Pelosi a week to find her voice and the rest of the clueless Dems are still sitting around with their thumbs in a compromising position.
Dems let them steal an election or two, take the low road and win over and over, and still we have our tea parties with crumpets and English tea in the afternoon.
What about you? Monday morning quarterback? Enough. If you're not going to contribute, then don't bitch.
IndyJones
(1,068 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I think you must have missed the nuances of the game. Reid is up against people Llike McConnell. Young 'uns would get chewed up and spat out by the veterans on the Hill.
And please explain how young bloods representing fear and anger, is any better than what the Reps are doing? How well do you suppose it's working out for them?
Hey Pizz you are trying to put out the wrong fire.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)was there a remark earlier up post about ageism?
How old Barack?
btw, I am 50 years old... and I can eaisiy see the trend in this thread that the ones defending Reid as an effective leader seem to be all olde than me. Way to drive away younger Democrats DUers....
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)so you think that represents the average voter who is 18-50?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)and jump in with your copycat ageism.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)Yeah.. ageism... I call it lifelong politicians. Not good for the country.
Harry Reid is no Progressive!
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)Lots of that crap going on around here lately.
Lots of sleepers awakening all of a sudden.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I didn't take his words to imply that old=useless, as much as young 'uns=better. My words were couched to portray that the older folks are serving a very careful and important place in all of this.
I tended to disagree that young kids can handle the manipulation and nuances of the political system as well as the seasoned folks. For right or wrong it is what it is. While Obama may have a brilliant strategic mind, he looks to persons like Reid for careful implemenation of those ideas. I think it's a great symbiotic tool. The OP would be well put to understand that.
cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)would that help your mood? Oh no, she's a grandmother. Can't have it all.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Putz.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)Reid has been a VERY WEAK and INEFFECTIVE leader. I applaud his current attacks on Romney's taxes, but his overall career has NEVER been "aggressive". I am tired of Dems leaders that espouse the same leadership qualities like Reid and Pelosi. The slow, behind the door, "off-the-table" leadership.
"Bullpucky"... really?
I'll take Howard Dean over Harry Reid.
I am appalled at all the DUers here thinking in this thread that Harry Reid is a good example of a strong Democrat.
Go ahead, ask yourself.. Harry Reid for President.. yeah.. go laugh at yourself with that one.
ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)wondered why we have Harry and (had) Pelosi. But everyone votes, right. So I always assumed
they must have the faith and backing of the house and senate.
whathehell
(29,029 posts)Is she too "old" as well?.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People don't understand, it seems, that the leaders in both chambers are selected by OUR Democratic Congresspeople. Our representatives make the decision to vote for the individuals that THEY think are best to lead them.
It's not up to us, who leads our party in the House or Senate. We don't vote for them. The ones who know how these leaders do business behind the scenes are the people--our elected representatives--who see how they wheel and deal everyday.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)zzzzz
mercymechap
(579 posts)He's got Republicans all atwitter with his claim that someone at Bain told him Romney didn't pay taxes for the last 10 years. It may not be true, but the only way to prove it is if Romney shows his tax returns. I don't think Romney will because he is obviously hiding something much more hurtful than the harassment he's been subjected due to not showing them. If we can keep them talking about the tax returns, they won't be focused on the economy or unemployment.
Harry just gave us a good gift - don't knock it.
WillyT
(72,631 posts)But you see... many of us have been waiting for our current elected Democratic leaders to punch back... and now that they have, we are in support of those efforts.
In fact... we are enjoying the show.
And you have to realize that we get, on a daily basis, new posters who come here and try to piss in our corn-flakes.
Take it from somebody who has been here since 2001 and has been accused many times of pissing in people's corn-flakes, LOL !!!
Right now... Harry Reid is a hero here. And I am enjoying it too.
So your timing is suspect, even if your motives are not, or shouldn't be...
So... sit back and get the hang of the place.
Phlem
(6,323 posts)I sent you a pm concerning your other post about this.
Hang in there Bro, don't let the dicks piss on you.
-p
Justice wanted
(2,657 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)But oh my god don't diss him when he's the flavor of the month on DU. You don't want challenge the "Obama is flawless" club.
-p
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)Yes, I applaud his exposing Romney's tax issue... it's the best thing he has done in his entire career.
HeiressofBickworth
(2,682 posts)however, in his latest assertions about Romney's taxes, I not only believe him, but I admire that he is standing his ground. For someone as cautious as Reid has always been, his evidence must be overwhelming for him to take such a strong stand at this time. In fact, I would even guess that he knows that it's even worse than we have already been surmising. Go Harry!!!
goclark
(30,404 posts)We can't even imagine what he has to put up with on a daily basis ~ I'm
delighted to know that Harry is a Mormon too
Interesting article ~ Reid is the perfect one to remind Mittwit ~
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/msnbcs-martin-bashir-uses-book-of-mormon-to-slam-romneys-alleged-lies/
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)has to push back. They can't because Rmoney isn't giving up his quest not to release the documents. Every day they must waste time and efforts to counter Reid, so you see grasshopper Harry knows exactly what he is doing and eventually the poker hand he is holding will be revealed.
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)still_one
(92,060 posts)Did you know Italy declared romney as not welcome in Italy because of what he and bain did to screw them out taxes and taking advantage of them
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)carry on
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Thanks "Pizz" I needed some humor to end my day.
winstars
(4,219 posts)Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)like the Majority Leader, is fighting back.
Your misplaced concern has been duly noted.
cheezmaka
(737 posts)All in favor say "I"....
calimary
(81,093 posts)Harry Reid is performing a public service. And all romneyhood has to do to put it all to rest is RELEASE THE FUCKING TAX RETURNS. Otherwise, he can't whine and moan and groan about how it's all so unfair - when it looks quite clearly as though he's hiding something.
And frankly, I don't much fancy the idea of a "president" who's busy hiding money in foreign financial hidey-holes so he can shirk his responsibility to help his country in her time of need. He should be first in line to chip in some more, since it looks as though he can EASILY afford to. Sacrifice much, mittski?
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)It's amazing how many people are fawning over Harry Reid. I already stated I applauded his attack at Romney.. and it's ABOUT TIME his found his backbone. He has been a WEAK LEADER for the Democrats for DECADES!
Who would you rather have a Senate Majority Leader.. Howard Dean or Harry Reid?
Who would you rather run for President on 2016... anyone else or Harry Reid?
Now go ask yourself how strong a leader Harry Reid has been... SINCE 1987!
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)Frankly it doesn't impress me that much.
Let me quote Pizz in his/her op "I guess I agree on this lying thing which I hope the fuck doesn't back fire". He quite clearly called Senator Reid a liar.
Howard Dean isn't in the senate nor has he expressed any interest in running. Your first question is meaningless.
Harry Reid isn't running for president nor has he ever shown any interest in running. Your second question is equally meaningless.
As to his overall leadership, just as with any Democrat in congress I have many differences with him from time to time. My respect for all members of the Democratic caucus has declined drastically over the last thirty years but your diatribe is way over the top.
DontTreadOnMe
(2,442 posts)But I am over the top.. yeah.. make up your mind.
At the end of Mr. Reid's current term.. are you in favor or against the idea of his running for another term?
Rowdyboy
(22,057 posts)and IF he runs for Majority Leader again then it would depend entirely on who runs against him (clue: it won't be Howard Dean).
I'd happily support Senator Schumer, Mikulski, Gillibrand or Sherrod Brown if they ran for leader. However Senator Pryor, Nelson (Bill or Ben), Baucus, Casey or Landrieu would all be weaker. Regardless, who cares who you or I support for Majority Leader? Do you seriously think members of the senate gives a damn about what we think? Unless you've got a few extra milion to spare in "donations" they could not possibly care less.
For now in the real world Reid is the Senate leader doing about as well as anyone could with the spineless crowd of centrist Democratic senators he has to work with. I'm certainly not going to trash him when he's showing real fight.
Jackpine Radical
(45,274 posts)H2O Man
(73,506 posts)unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)bluerum
(6,109 posts)mzmolly
(50,978 posts)that this is bad satire?
kentuck
(111,051 posts)It's just getting started.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)cheezmaka
(737 posts)He's doing a good job. Don't hate on Harry. We need EVERYBODY in this "fight"... this reelection is a TEAM EFFORT!!!
emulatorloo
(44,058 posts)AnotherMcIntosh
(11,064 posts)Senator Reid doesn't yell.
Senator Reid doesn't even look like he yells.
Pay some respect to your grandfather. He earned it.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Mitt Romney the Romney Hood. He steals from the poor to give to the rich. What a guy right?
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Of all the politicians you could complain about, you pick Harry Reid. Uh huh.
Not Mitt Romney, though. No complaints about him. You just zero in on the one person who is the thorn in Romney's side.
Go get a more productive hobby. Your schtick is the one that is getting old.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)I don't think he'd be making these allegations unless he's got the dirt in the bag. If Romney wants to prove him wrong .. he's going to have to come up with his tax payments.
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pnwmom
(108,955 posts)He's not some young rabble rouser. He's a legislator who's proven over the decades that he's willing to work across the aisle -- much to the chagrin of the left wing of our party.
So when even he voices his disgust over Romney's behavior, millions of Americans sit up and pay attention.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)the Republican nominee for President this year and you're 'tired' of Reid.
I don't even know where to start.
Yeah, Reid has emasculated Mitt and nothing is more fitting for Willard Scissor-hands.
Betty Jo
(66 posts)What is the connection between Reid being Mormon and Mitty being Mormon ? What is the connection between the church's investments and Romney's ?Some of them are the same, as in Burger King.I think there must be a long standing connection between Mitts and Reid and Mormonism.The vast immense financial holdings of both LDS and Romney may not be co=inky=dinky.
canEHdian
(62 posts)Jesus, I'm not even an American and I'm tired of the twit.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)Lets talk about this after Mitt releases his tax returns. That is if you're still around.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,680 posts)"The Republicans led us into a clusterfuck."
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)gordianot
(15,233 posts)Some of his Grandchildren lost their way.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)slackmaster
(60,567 posts)You seem... ...familiar.
yellowcanine
(35,693 posts)That is a foul and I am calling it. As soon as someone invokes age, race, gender, ethnicity or whatever as a basis for criticism, it dilutes anything else they might have to say.
Paladin
(28,243 posts)You've chosen to trash Reid at the exact moment he's exhibiting toughness, tactical shrewdness, and partisan leadership. Your attack should have been made a few years ago, back when he and Nancy Pelosi were "keeping their powder dry" and allowing The Cheney Administration to do whatever the hell it pleased. Really bad timing on your part........