Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kpete

(71,978 posts)
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 09:20 AM Jul 2018

Fugelsang asks Trump supporter for 13 minutes what Christian values Trump has NOT turned his back on

WOW, please listen to THIS:


John Fugelsang asks a Trump supporter for 13 minutes what Christian values Trump has not turned his back on, and why she bases her support on his behavior. He remains very respectful to the caller and tries to keep the...




https://soundcloud.com/siriusxmentertainment/tme76181
61 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Fugelsang asks Trump supporter for 13 minutes what Christian values Trump has NOT turned his back on (Original Post) kpete Jul 2018 OP
LOL, TOO FUNNY HAB911 Jul 2018 #1
John has the patience of a saint. Siwsan Jul 2018 #2
This is beautiful. Thanks. n/t LuckyCharms Jul 2018 #3
Ok, people. That is the level of stupid that we are dealing with here. smirkymonkey Jul 2018 #4
He did an amazing job of being patient and staying on point. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #17
That is reality. When she says Trump 'LOVES' people .. she means White People Le Gaucher Jul 2018 #5
Trump is forgiven! Ohioboy Jul 2018 #15
He doesn't even love "white people" dawg day Jul 2018 #52
He is very patient Bettie Jul 2018 #6
One of the best liberal thinkers around. kentuck Jul 2018 #7
Yes mountain grammy Jul 2018 #23
On a policy level, why did you vote for him? "He wasn't Hillary Clinton." F'ing idiots. CurtEastPoint Jul 2018 #8
we just seriously underestimated qazplm135 Jul 2018 #31
And they weren't all just Republicans either, unfortunately. n/t Beartracks Jul 2018 #60
Sadly, this is my mother. onlyadream Jul 2018 #32
I am amazed at "Christians" who think God or Jesus need help phylny Jul 2018 #45
Oh My! Akacia Jul 2018 #9
She has a lot of company. And they vote. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #18
And, unfortunately, breed. nt Buns_of_Fire Jul 2018 #22
Not even one thing world wide wally Jul 2018 #10
abortion and separation of church and state qazplm135 Jul 2018 #38
Brainwashed zombie. Downtown Hound Jul 2018 #11
Today's Doonesbury strip mirrors this perfectly. dameatball Jul 2018 #12
+1 n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #42
I'm confident that there are tens of millions just like her. It's scary. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #13
Obama took away her child's insurance for a pre-existing condition?????? Ohioboy Jul 2018 #14
Was that before or after he allowed 9-11 to happen? Beartracks Jul 2018 #61
He was very impressive PatSeg Jul 2018 #16
Jeezus H. What a dumbass. In a nutshell. JDC Jul 2018 #19
Just like talking to every other neighbor in WI LakeArenal Jul 2018 #20
She Never Said How tRump Brought Christ Back to the Nation Leith Jul 2018 #21
I listen to his show nearly every day mountain grammy Jul 2018 #24
I listen to it as much as I can too. He's one of my heroes. nolabear Jul 2018 #34
He does have a wonderful show. mountain grammy Jul 2018 #36
I don't think so, but maybe. nolabear Jul 2018 #41
She reminded me of my sister in law mountain grammy Jul 2018 #59
Thanks for posting the link to the audio packman Jul 2018 #25
She sounded pretty young rurallib Jul 2018 #26
Her daddy, her husband, and her preacher. Mariana Jul 2018 #33
So depressing that so many deplorables can't hear logic. mucifer Jul 2018 #27
A Delusional Deplorable live; too sad to comment upon northoftheborder Jul 2018 #28
Uninformed, non-questioning, authoritarian. 45 Cult is made for Christians like her. bitterross Jul 2018 #29
Bingo. Garrett78 Jul 2018 #40
That went pretty much how one would expect it to go..... Upthevibe Jul 2018 #30
I call fraud. theaocp Jul 2018 #35
To add... theaocp Jul 2018 #37
I bet she's not being completely truthful, but... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #44
Great interview. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #39
Purely emotional appeal from the caller, zero intellect, zero facts lambchopp59 Jul 2018 #43
I have always felt Fugelsang should be a leading spokesperson for the Democratic Party because Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #46
Maybe he's who should be hired by the DNC to give a daily press conference... Garrett78 Jul 2018 #47
I think that would be a wonderful idea! nt Quixote1818 Jul 2018 #48
I agree. He reveals the truth without beating up on people. Ilsa Jul 2018 #54
In other words "I'm a stupid motherfucker and I vote." nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2018 #49
Omg she said she is not a feminist kimbutgar Jul 2018 #50
He loves people? Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #51
The "working my tail off" victim card. MarcA Jul 2018 #53
He's a far nicer person than I am. Solly Mack Jul 2018 #55
She can't name a Christian value that Trump has not turned his back on drmeow Jul 2018 #56
I think... Mike Nelson Jul 2018 #57
They are all diseased !!! SamKnause Jul 2018 #58
 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
4. Ok, people. That is the level of stupid that we are dealing with here.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 09:44 AM
Jul 2018

Completely impervious to reason. He was very respectful and logical and she was just impenetrable. I admire his patience, because i would have lost it after about 3 minutes.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
17. He did an amazing job of being patient and staying on point.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:37 AM
Jul 2018

Like not even addressing her remark that Donald Trump of all people seems like "an average Joe."

Sadly, there are tens of millions just like her.

 

Le Gaucher

(1,547 posts)
5. That is reality. When she says Trump 'LOVES' people .. she means White People
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 09:47 AM
Jul 2018


Its subconscious..and so obvious to her that Non whites and non Christians aren't people.. they other forms of primates.

She is genuinely shocked that John Fugelsang can't understand that Trump Loves People.


She is your classic racist.


She will be totally fine/ disinterested if GOP gradually bought back slavery.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
52. He doesn't even love "white people"
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 03:05 PM
Jul 2018

He just finds them easier to use.
Really. I don't think he loves anyone but himself. But he has a predator's sense of who he can easily take down, and who he can get to submit to him.

If he wants to get a particular subset of white people support (a significant subset, but not the smart ones <g&gt , he knows how to do that. I'm not sure what it says about "white people" that the strategy is always, "Appeal to their cowardice and vanity at every moment."

Bettie

(16,083 posts)
6. He is very patient
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 09:47 AM
Jul 2018

but you can't argue with people who have no capacity for rational or logical thought.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
31. we just seriously underestimated
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jul 2018

the pure visceral hatred of Hillary Clinton. It's nonsensical, it's not based on anything rational, but clearly, clearly, there was a large group of folks who hated Hillary so much that it drove them to vote for Trump.

onlyadream

(2,165 posts)
32. Sadly, this is my mother.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:30 PM
Jul 2018

She doesn’t like Trump, but he wasn’t Hilary. When I pressed her on why she hate Hillary so badly, that a good Christian woman like her can look past all of Trump’s failings, she said because of Benghazi. I told her that after forty investigations, if they found something, ANYTHING, she’d be in jail. NOTHING was found. Her hatred is manufactured by Fox “News”.

The conversation turned to how she likes his immigration policies. Showed me a picture of a boat packed full of immigrants. This is why, she proclaimed. I said, what you do to the least of us, you do to me, quoting her favorite guy, Jesus. But, she said, “THEY are changing everything!” Meaning, Muslim immigrants in Europe are changing European counties, which has NOTHING to do with what’s going on on the souther border. When we discuss these things, it always ends with her copping out and ending the talk. She’s done, doesn’t want to be bothered, challenged, educated...

She also believes he’s ushering in the end of the world.

phylny

(8,375 posts)
45. I am amazed at "Christians" who think God or Jesus need help
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 01:07 PM
Jul 2018

from people on Earth to "end the world."

What a powerless God they believe in.

I say this as a Christian.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
38. abortion and separation of church and state
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jul 2018

those two things are things he is actively "fixing" through his conservative judicial appointments and he is also allowing these folks to express their Christian views more openly and with more exclusivity and state-sanction.

So of course she thinks he's "bringing back Christ."

She feels like her "team" was unpopular before and now it's more popular. She doesn't care about anything else other than being able to "loudly and proudly" say "I'm a Christian" and feel like she can say anything she wants after that.

Ohioboy

(3,240 posts)
14. Obama took away her child's insurance for a pre-existing condition??????
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:21 AM
Jul 2018

You know her brainwashing is complete as soon as she tries to argue that Obama took away her child's insurance for a pre-existing condition (starting around the 2:15 time mark).

The fact that someone can become this brainwashed is scary.

LakeArenal

(28,809 posts)
20. Just like talking to every other neighbor in WI
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:40 AM
Jul 2018

‘Crept I find them much less patient than that woman. Vindictive even. Scary even.

Leith

(7,808 posts)
21. She Never Said How tRump Brought Christ Back to the Nation
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:45 AM
Jul 2018

Besides him "loving people," she never even tried.

The caller was incredibly stupid, but polite. Too many of her fellow brainwashees are not polite or even willing to discuss the topic.

mountain grammy

(26,605 posts)
24. I listen to his show nearly every day
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:51 AM
Jul 2018

He has wonderful guests (Tina Dupuy excepted) and callers. 13 minutes with this faker, and yes that’s what she is, was too much.. she lied throughout, while all other callers held on. Reminds me of America.. the radical right wingers have the floor. The rest of us are “on hold.”

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
34. I listen to it as much as I can too. He's one of my heroes.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:36 PM
Jul 2018

John’s ability to stand his ground without shaming people and without condemning them is one of the best I’ve ever seen. He can argue for MY kind of Christianity (atheist that I am) beautifully.

And as a retired shrink I’m so fascinated by the cognitive dissonance people display when something they desperately want to hold onto is proven false. They (we-everyone is capable of it) simply lose the ability to think. They can spin, they can get emotional, they can do all kinds of things but they can’t think or be reasoned with. That asshole in the WH is good at installing that unreasonable attachment to him in some people.

mountain grammy

(26,605 posts)
36. He does have a wonderful show.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:40 PM
Jul 2018

Love Kenneth Davis and Barry Lynn and all the women co hosts like Carmen and Rhonda, etc.. and, of course, Frank. He has some great guests.
John alone is worth my Sirius subscription, but there's so much more.

That caller was playing him, She was coached. Very aggravating.

nolabear

(41,956 posts)
41. I don't think so, but maybe.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:57 PM
Jul 2018

He made one mistake and she took off with it. He commented that undocumented immigrants weren’t taking jobs she would compete for. Then she got to play a big, and maybe just, sympathy card, saying she worked many low paying jobs to support her chronically ill child. They never managed to go far down the road of what harm 45’s policies were likely to do that child.

If she was coached it wasn’t very well.

mountain grammy

(26,605 posts)
59. She reminded me of my sister in law
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 05:12 PM
Jul 2018

Who claims to be completely non political and a super Christian. You know, God ‘s got this and she just couldn’t see how Obama was a Christian. Blah blah. And she NEVER watches Fox News but never missed Bill O’Reilly or the friends.. yeah I’ve heard all this before. The woman’s a fraud even though she doesn’t know it.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
25. Thanks for posting the link to the audio
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 11:54 AM
Jul 2018

People need to hear the convolutions and the tortured logic of a Trump cultist.

rurallib

(62,401 posts)
26. She sounded pretty young
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:09 PM
Jul 2018

I get the feeling that most of her views were handed to her by Daddy and then her husband. She never dug any deeper than what she was told - such as her comment about Obama and health care.

I hope Fugelsang cracked her wall of ignorance. Once it cracks she will start asking questions. Someday she may one really mad woman when she realizes everyone she trusted was lying to her.

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
29. Uninformed, non-questioning, authoritarian. 45 Cult is made for Christians like her.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:10 PM
Jul 2018

She is what we are up against. The people who are uninformed, misled by FOX News and 45's tweets.

Having been brought up as the same sort of Christian as her I can tell you she was raised to believe, without question, those in authority. All of her "authority" sources are telling her 45 is a good, Christian man. It would be psychologically painful for her to have to admit she is so wrong about so much.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
40. Bingo.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:52 PM
Jul 2018

"It would be psychologically painful for her to have to admit she is so wrong about so much."

My dad sends email after email after email that is full of lies or, at best, misleading statements. The sort of stuff that keeps sites like Snopes in business. These emails covering a wide array of topics, sent over the course of many years, constitute the foundation of right wing ideology. And they've been proven false. Therefore, his ideology is false. I've made this point, yet the emails keep coming. I conclude that it would be unbearably painful for my 82-year-old dad to acknowledge that his entire ideology is rooted in lies and bigotry, that what he's believed for so long could be so wrong.

That he was an Eisenhower Republican makes it all the more frustrating. I think he's subconsciously aware of how much his party has changed, but the propaganda (of Fox News, Pat Robertson, etc.) and the cognitive dissonance has taken hold.

theaocp

(4,235 posts)
35. I call fraud.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:39 PM
Jul 2018

While I can’t prove it, I defy that she doesn’t watch faux news and isn’t on fb. Pile of shite, I say. And remember how many times she said what was happening was no big deal because IT WASN'T HAPPENING TO HER. Full fucking stop. THIS is what we’re up against. 45's supporters overwhelmingly don’t give a fuck because what’s going down is happening to SOMEONE ELSE. I have a certain set of verses available from the time of the previous Nazis, in case these dumbasses care to get educated.

theaocp

(4,235 posts)
37. To add...
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:42 PM
Jul 2018

When she said she didn’t watch/read faux and fb, she added that she did "research". Uh-huh. I wish the gang in the control room had asked her where she did her "research". Be cordial, if you must, but nail these invertebrates down with their own words. Christ.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
44. I bet she's not being completely truthful, but...
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 01:04 PM
Jul 2018

I would expect an avid viewer of Faux News to have more talking points. She just came across as an idiot who was regurgitating nonsense she's heard from birds of a feather.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
39. Great interview.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 12:45 PM
Jul 2018

The Trump supporter confirms my opinion that Trump supporters don't know what they are talking about. Sublime ignorance. She loved showing off her groundless devotion.

Has anyone ever read a play by Ionesco? Maybe Rhinoceros?

There is no logical connection between the interviewee's answers and the questions asked of her. She doesn't think things through. She just repeats slogans she has heard. She did not mention one teaching of Jesus that Trump carries out. Not one.

Trump does not love everyone. Not by any means. Maybe Obama came close to loving everyone, but Trump sure doesn't.

lambchopp59

(2,809 posts)
43. Purely emotional appeal from the caller, zero intellect, zero facts
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 01:01 PM
Jul 2018

Yet I'd bet on this blind supporter to utilize the term "low information voter" describing others. Suspect far more Fox and Limbaugh consumption than she admits. Even though she admits repeatedly to being politically uninformed.
Just how to shake cult members from their confabulations? Especially when they actually believe democrats and highly educated folks are the ones who have consumed the "Kool Aid".
I don't lay claim to know all the facts about our politicians either, but I sure as hell can tell when a politician or pundit is pissing on my leg and telling me it's raining.

Quixote1818

(28,925 posts)
46. I have always felt Fugelsang should be a leading spokesperson for the Democratic Party because
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 01:48 PM
Jul 2018

he is one of the most eloquent, quick thinking, kind, smart etc. speakers out there.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
47. Maybe he's who should be hired by the DNC to give a daily press conference...
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 01:57 PM
Jul 2018

...to address all Trump lies over the previous 24 hours, something I've suggested be done. These Orwellian times call for extraordinary measures.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
54. I agree. He reveals the truth without beating up on people.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 03:21 PM
Jul 2018

Repubs think you have to be aggressive and bullying to control the narrative. JF proves it isn't necessary to be disrespectful.

kimbutgar

(21,103 posts)
50. Omg she said she is not a feminist
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 02:52 PM
Jul 2018

I wish John had asked her if she was ok with working the same job for less pay than a man. And her working hard, why is she calling this show in the middle of the day. Shouldn’t she be at all those jobs she’s working?

Poor Tiffany lied, she watches Fox she’s was just too embrassed to admit it. She used all the fox talking g cult points. But she is what we are up against. She is so far gone there is no logicial argument you can use to cnahge her mind otherwise. Sadly 60 million people believe Twitler, no matter what he says or does. He is the Jim Jones cult leader of today. I’ve been watching that cult series on Monday nights on the ID channel. It is obvious after watching theses episodes that 60 million American Idiots are caught up into this cult.

Idocracy the movie is now a documentary of America.

MarcA

(2,195 posts)
53. The "working my tail off" victim card.
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 03:20 PM
Jul 2018

So she blames the other because of this supposed virtue of
working her tail off, while it is the system increasingly imposed
by the repugs and wealth worshipers that makes "working your
tail off" a losing proposition. Also, why they falsely accuse
those who don't subscribe to this as being "lazy". The hard work
is good and necessary mantra has a long history among the laboring
classes that the owners use to manipulate them.

drmeow

(5,015 posts)
56. She can't name a Christian value that Trump has not turned his back on
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 04:33 PM
Jul 2018

because she can't name a Christian value, period. To these people, being Christian means believing in God, going to church, giving money to their church, trying to suppressing any carnal urges (although often failing), and doing whatever their church leaders say. Except for the last one, it is all about me, me, me, me, me. Actual values and what Christ said are irrelevant because they interfere with the prosperity gospel and the self-absorbed "being Christian is about what I do for me" belief system.

If Jesus came back today, he would throw all of them out of the churches - of course, they would reject him, too.

I wish I believed in Heaven because I'd love to know that they not going there.

Mike Nelson

(9,949 posts)
57. I think...
Sun Jul 8, 2018, 04:52 PM
Jul 2018

… she lied when she said she didn't get news from FOX. There was a change in her pace and tone... like she didn't want to be so easily "read" by John. While she was dishonest (and will have to ask Jesus for forgiveness), it's interesting that she knew enough about FOX news to deny them. Also, she was very vague about how she got her news, instead of FOX... because she was being dishonest. When you lie, you have to know follow-up lies.





Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Fugelsang asks Trump supp...