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Cattledog

(5,914 posts)
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:53 AM Jul 2018

Alan Dershowitz says 'friends on Martha's Vineyard' are shunning him for defending Trump.

POOR ALAN

Alan Dershowitz says he has been shunned — first by old political allies who have stopped inviting him to dinners, and now by liberal elites who are trying to exclude him from their social circles on Martha's Vineyard.

The reason, he says, is his unrelenting defense of President Trump's civil liberties — a position that Dershowitz says he would have also taken for Hillary Clinton had she won the presidency and was similarly under investigation amid calls for impeachment.

The Harvard law professor and attorney who defended O.J. Simpson says that he is a lifelong liberal but a hard-liner on civil liberties and that he's not about to flip his views just because of attempts to ostracize him.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2018/07/03/alan-dershowitz-says-friends-on-marthas-vineyard-are-shunning-him-for-defending-trump/?utm_term=.5f86ecb51390
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Alan Dershowitz says 'friends on Martha's Vineyard' are shunning him for defending Trump. (Original Post) Cattledog Jul 2018 OP
Fuck you, asshole dalton99a Jul 2018 #1
It would really piss him off he knew that they were inviting me instead. But I'm special.....:) dameatball Jul 2018 #2
Too bad so sad Alan. MontanaMama Jul 2018 #3
Alan doesn't seem to understand cause and effect Zambero Jul 2018 #4
Then go home Alan... Crutchez_CuiBono Jul 2018 #5
becoming irrelevant has a special aroma of its own. KG Jul 2018 #6
Damn Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #7
Clutching my pearls . . . no_hypocrisy Jul 2018 #8
Guess he'll have to start going to Block Island instead JDC Jul 2018 #9
Alan Dershowitz has friends? thucythucy Jul 2018 #10
If his stance is based purely on civil rights and not politics, then he shouldn't be ostracized. Chemisse Jul 2018 #11
"a position that Dershowitz says he would have also taken for Hillary Clinton" Tarc Jul 2018 #12
His follow-up is that he's "not whining, (am) reveling" in the shunning. UTUSN Jul 2018 #13
From Betty Bowers Gothmog Jul 2018 #14
No one to talk to, Alan? yellerpup Jul 2018 #15
Shunned lamsmy Jul 2018 #16
Lol...so people don't have a right to shun? beachbum bob Jul 2018 #17
I seen a few of his comments defending Trump lapfog_1 Jul 2018 #18

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
4. Alan doesn't seem to understand cause and effect
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 09:58 AM
Jul 2018

1. Sow
2. Reap
3. Whine (Alan's personal add-in, ignoring the first two)

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,845 posts)
7. Damn
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:09 AM
Jul 2018

People are having their children taken from them but Alan has it worse. He's no longer getting invited to some cocktail parties on the island.

no_hypocrisy

(46,061 posts)
8. Clutching my pearls . . .
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:14 AM
Jul 2018

30 years ago, Dershowitz would have been shunned for being Jewish.

Nobody wants him around just because he's Dershowitz.

Chemisse

(30,807 posts)
11. If his stance is based purely on civil rights and not politics, then he shouldn't be ostracized.
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:32 AM
Jul 2018

And his history as a Democratic voter suggests that is the case.

Just like we support the ACLU, which fights for civil rights for issues on all sides of the political spectrum, someone should be able to support the civil rights, even for the most reprehensible person alive, and still be accepted in polite society.

I respect someone who has the conviction to argue for fairness even when it's unpopular. I don't share his views on the Mueller investigation, etc, but I can see where he can make that argument (although there is certainly far more cause for investigation now than there was for Bill Clinton, and the scope is more narrow).

I am far too emotionally invested to assess its validity, and I don't even care. The stakes are astronomically high; if this is the only way to get rid of this catastrophe, then I am all for it.

Tarc

(10,476 posts)
12. "a position that Dershowitz says he would have also taken for Hillary Clinton"
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 10:34 AM
Jul 2018

Bullshit. Dersh whould have been a nightly guest on Fox News, screeching about Hillary's transgressions.

yellerpup

(12,253 posts)
15. No one to talk to, Alan?
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 11:05 AM
Jul 2018

Maybe you should get together with other Trump supporters and have an intellectual conversation. Sounds like fun, no?

lamsmy

(155 posts)
16. Shunned
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jul 2018

Dershowitz has always argued for civil liberties and for that he should be commended.

But he is also a constant attention-seeker, actively going out of his way to stay in the limelight. He doesn't take obscure, random cases of civil rights violations, he takes the cases that get the most play on national television. The OJ Simpson trial is a case in point - a simple "did he or didn't he?" and nothing to do with civil rights, but was on every TV in the country.

That he is now on Fox News constantly taking controversial positions is hardly surprising. He argues the obscure details of constitutional law that, while they may be technically correct in isolation, go completely over the heads of the average Fox viewer and host. They come away thinking the law is on Trump's side (which is a best debatable ) and he does nothing to correct this lopsided view.

He also ignores the larger picture of Trump's malfeasance. Taken in isolation, one or two of Trump's actions may be defendable under the law. But it is the totality of his behaviour that gives the clearest picture of his unethical and probably illegal intent.

This is why he is being shunned. And rightly so. The civil rights expert is supplying the authoritarians with very dubious and very public cover. Hitler may have acted within the bounds of German law - that does not mean he did not violate the spirit or intent of those laws.

And seeing as he brought up Clinton, I could be wrong but I don't remember him ever defending her against 20+ years of serial persecution and threats of prosecution despite zero evidence.

Dershowitz has lost the plot entirely.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
17. Lol...so people don't have a right to shun?
Wed Jul 4, 2018, 11:42 AM
Jul 2018

Dershowitz would have defended hitler and Stalin too as he has no moral center

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