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You can calculate however you like. Decades to recover, year we are returning to...
For me I see he is bringing us back to the 50s, I'm just not sure if it's the 1950s or 1850s.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Johonny
(20,833 posts)Trump and his voters are living and trying to live in the past (or more to the point, the past that never really existed), but it's pretty obvious that culturally society is simply moving on without them. If they think women, minorities, sexual orientation issues, are simply going to roll back to 1950, they're not. If they think the post WWII manufacturing economy is going to come back, it isn't.
As many have pointed out, it may only take one administration to undo everything Trump has done. Mostly because Trump's administration has been destructive rather than constructive. He's essentially built nothing. Probably his court will have the longest impact, but even there his impact might be fleeting.
The biggest thing Trump has exposed is the lie that underlies conservatism. No more not passing liberal bills because of worries about the budget. It's clear if you can run debts for Tax cuts for millionaires, you can run it for anything...
BannonsLiver
(16,369 posts)Civic Justice
(870 posts)it will be many decades and they won't be doing it alone....
fallout87
(819 posts)will last at least until the mid 2050's.... so about 3+ decades.
edhopper
(33,570 posts)will set us back further.
The Union decision this week, Unions might never recover.
fallout87
(819 posts)Janus will be felt for a really long time.
DFW
(54,349 posts)Door Number One: Trump does not get to confirm a new, radical Supreme Court Justice, AND we take back at least one house of Congress in November:
50 years, to before the establishment of the EPA
Door Number Two, Trump confirms a new radical right member of the Supreme Court, but we take back the House in November:
70 years, back to the end of the Truman era, and the dawn of Eisenhower with Nixon as VP
Door Number Three: A new Radical Right member of the Court gets confirmed, AND we don't take back the House:
Back to 1489, like this (without the laughs):
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)It depends upon alot of things, like whether he gets a second term. Some things are irreversible, like a newly empowered NATO that no longer trusts nor relies upon us and can't be counted upon to support us internationally. A rising China can't really be put back into the bottle.
The racism and misogyny has been around for centuries and will never really go away. It's just the genie that gets put back in a bottle for a few decades.
The economics can be sorted out in relatively short order, although some of the tariffs could take awhile to unwind.
But the damage to our political system could last a long time. Too many people will think this is the way it works. The GOP will be this populist, blow up the system, lock her up, party for about a generation. And the "red states" will take an attitude that somehow it can all come back, with the right candidate. It'll be the modern equivalent of "the south can rise again" crap I grew up with.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)edhopper
(33,570 posts)Ben-Ghaaaaazzzzziiiii!!!!
yurbud
(39,405 posts)In their brief control of Congress after World War II, Republicans passed Taft-Hartley, the most anti-labor law in American history over Truman's veto.
Democrats had DECADES to undo it and chose not to.
When I saw what Baby Bush did, especially after 9/11, I assumed the Democrats would work as vigorously and creatively to roll back the damage as the GOP was when inflicting it.
I was wrong.
If Democrats retake Congress and immediately return to finding common ground with Republicans on budget, foreign policy, and other priorities, we are screwed for a long time to come.
If we elect Democrats who don't see elected office as an internship for a lobbying job, the situation might improve.
left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)Herr Trump will have his military parade this November !
edhopper
(33,570 posts)this guy for that?
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I maybe overly optimistic, but if we can prevent Trump from naming another nominee and we vote in a disciplined manner thereafter, the damage is unlikely to be more than a decade. I say this because if Trump is blocked like McConnell blocked us, and we elect a popular democrat in 2020, that person can potentially appoint up to 6 justices if we support him or her and vote in all elections.
edhopper
(33,570 posts)and maybe one or two more.
Mwybe not his first choices, but he will put more people on the court
roamer65
(36,745 posts)We are looking at breakup of the United States if he is not removed from office.
I believe the point of no return on dissolution of the republic will be the confirmation of a far right SCOTUS justice and reversal of Roe v Wade.
Reversal of that ruling will create a very permanent and stark divide between many of the states.
It will create a situation similar to the 1860s.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Things could get a LOT worse (RBG or Breyer could resign). On the other hand, if a new President comes in in 2021 and replaces Clarence Thomas (for example), then things could balance out. My shoot-from-the-hip answer is 60 -70 years (six to seven decades). If left to their own devices, the administration looks to undo much of the Warren Court work and undo the Great Society. So I don't just see Roe being in danger, but also cases like Gideon and Miranda. I think the administration will make a run at modification of the fourteenth amendment (to end birthright citizenship). Affirmative Action is probably also gone.
However, some states (California, for example) may ultimately look largely unchanged, and the changes proposed by conservatives are replete with potential for unintended consequences.
pansypoo53219
(20,972 posts)but the SCOTUS w/ be fucked. till clarence croaks or some miracle.
edhopper
(33,570 posts)when they got us into an illegal war, let a city drown and destroyed the economy.
It lasted 2 years before people went back to them