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IMO, Bernie should announce to run for Vice President and let a younger candidate run. (Original Post) CK_John Jul 2018 OP
I thought you were banned JI7 Jul 2018 #1
Uh oh 🤤 Wwcd Jul 2018 #5
Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that a person can appeal a ban. Blue_true Jul 2018 #15
The "I Thought You Were" band is awesome. dameatball Jul 2018 #58
Huh?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #2
No thank you. RandySF Jul 2018 #3
People don't "run" for Vice President independently of the presidential candidate. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #4
Anybody can run for any office they want, admit it is not usual but CK_John Jul 2018 #10
No, that's not how it works. You can't run for VP separately from the presidential candidate. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #12
You CAN run for Vice President; see Carly Fiorina ashtonelijah Jul 2018 #50
That's not "running" in the normal sense of the word. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #55
VP candidate of what party? Laurian Jul 2018 #6
Thanks for the reminder. There are some folks who have "forgotten" .... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #48
He still needs to file his tax returns Gothmog Jul 2018 #7
He filed, just won't release them grantcart Jul 2018 #23
Release the tax returns Gothmog Jul 2018 #33
Bernie needs to not be any candidate especially since he is an (I) demtenjeep Jul 2018 #8
dotard wouldn't have done that on his own? shanny Jul 2018 #9
"Friendly" fire is more damaging. Adrahil Jul 2018 #36
running in a primary shanny Jul 2018 #57
I believe they're talking about after the primary was over. bettyellen Jul 2018 #60
Whether it's Bernie or anybody else, the statement in the OP is inaccurate. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #13
Tell that to Joe Walsh. Admittedly, he seems not to have won for some reason... Pope George Ringo II Jul 2018 #30
Lulzd Voltaire2 Jul 2018 #20
Incoming!! n/t Still In Wisconsin Jul 2018 #11
Younger candidates need to step forward with a better plan northremembers Jul 2018 #14
I agree. The nomination must be won on merit. Blue_true Jul 2018 #16
No. Hell no. we can do it Jul 2018 #17
Um... that's not how it works. Squinch Jul 2018 #18
That's what I tried to explain, too, but nobody seems to care. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #21
OP has a valid point grantcart Jul 2018 #24
No, he doesn't. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #25
Obviously, and my point was about Bernie, who expects all rules don't apply to him grantcart Jul 2018 #28
He Could Become A Dem Me. Jul 2018 #59
We will have much better candidates to choose from 4now Jul 2018 #19
As already has been pointed out, Vice Presidential candidate is selected by a Presidential Candidate LisaL Jul 2018 #22
I am beginning to wonder if anybody around here has ever read the damn Constitution. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #26
Some have read it. You can recognize them, because MineralMan Jul 2018 #37
The states control the type of system to elect candidates the electoral college names the winners. CK_John Jul 2018 #40
I believe it is time for Bernie to retire from any office and become democratisphere Jul 2018 #27
This is the meaning of the op. CK_John Jul 2018 #41
Besides the other points Hav Jul 2018 #29
His or HER VP dawg day Jul 2018 #32
. Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2018 #31
Who does that? eShirl Jul 2018 #34
Name anyone who "ran" for Vice-President brooklynite Jul 2018 #35
Stockdale in 1992. CK_John Jul 2018 #43
Stockdale didn't "run" for VP. Ross Perot asked him to be his running mate The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #44
"Who am I?" "Why am I here?" - Stockdale NY_20th Jul 2018 #46
if we could turn the bernie hatred into electricity we could power all the airconditoners on the dembotoz Jul 2018 #38
Oh, it's you. demmiblue Jul 2018 #39
Entertainment value. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #45
... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #42
Take a look at them plagiarizing a right winger. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #49
Interesting find. Very revealing... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #51
Interesting. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #56
Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #47
Maybe right winger or maybe just stubbornly uninformed. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2018 #52
I don't think being stubbornly uninformed.... NCTraveler Jul 2018 #54
Your unique form of entertainment has been missed. onenote Jul 2018 #53
Trump can ask him to be his VP candidate for 2020... Fresh_Start Jul 2018 #61

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. Maybe I am wrong, but I thought that a person can appeal a ban.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:35 PM
Jul 2018

Why would you indicate that the person was banned?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
4. People don't "run" for Vice President independently of the presidential candidate.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:02 PM
Jul 2018

So any such announcement would be ridiculous. If he is interested in that position (which is unlikely) he can't do anything but let it be known to whoever is nominated as the party's candidate that he'd like the job, and then that person could decide whether or not to offer it to him. You don't announce you're running for VP unless the presidential candidate has already selected you.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
10. Anybody can run for any office they want, admit it is not usual but
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:12 PM
Jul 2018

as long as he gets his shick in the New York Times it would work.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
12. No, that's not how it works. You can't run for VP separately from the presidential candidate.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:20 PM
Jul 2018

You can't campaign for it and there's no mechanism for people to vote for a VP except as part of a ticket, and ultimately chosen by the Electoral College. In other words, he is only indirectly elected. It's in the Constitution.


ashtonelijah

(340 posts)
50. You CAN run for Vice President; see Carly Fiorina
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jul 2018

You can run/campaign for Vice President, it’s just that your target audience instead of voters directly would be delegates and presidential candidates. Meaning you can campaign for the DNC or RNC and its presidential nominee to nominate you as VP.

That’s what Carly Fiorina did in 2016 when she and Ted Cruz ran as a ticket for the GOP nomination.

It might be a silly idea, but you can absolutely run for a VP slot.

Bernie could independently start campaigning making the case to the country and the Democratic Party that whoever its nominee is, the DNC should choose him as VP.

I don’t want him to do it; I don’t want him to run for anything in the Democratic Party because I believe he’s damaging to the party.

But he could campaign for VP, if he got a wild hair.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
55. That's not "running" in the normal sense of the word.
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:36 AM
Jul 2018

That's politicking within the party; it's public relations. It's pretty much what everybody who wants to be VP does. One way or another they let the potential presidential candidates and the party bigwigs (and to some extent the public) know they're interested and hope they get picked. It's like "running" for a prom date. But whatever you want to call it I don't think Bernie will do it or that he'd get the offer anyhow.

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
6. VP candidate of what party?
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:09 PM
Jul 2018

After all, he went back to being an independent once he was done using the Democratic Party to run for President.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
48. Thanks for the reminder. There are some folks who have "forgotten" ....
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jul 2018


After all, he went back to being an independent once he was done using the Democratic Party to run for President.
Thanks for the reminder. There are some folks who have "forgotten" or who like to pretend it didn't happen.

All I'm saying is when something like that happens, it reveals a lot about a person's character and commitment, as well as their honesty and truthfulness. That's all.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
8. Bernie needs to not be any candidate especially since he is an (I)
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:10 PM
Jul 2018

He helped to make dotard use stuff against Hillary

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
13. Whether it's Bernie or anybody else, the statement in the OP is inaccurate.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:22 PM
Jul 2018

You don't announce your candidacy and run for VP independently of the presidential candidate. It can't be done that way, ever, by anybody.

 

northremembers

(63 posts)
14. Younger candidates need to step forward with a better plan
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:22 PM
Jul 2018

Which is what's happening all around us. We can stop worrying about Bernie. We all like him, but the political landscape is changing without him. I think he should get to speak at the Democratic Convention. As a candidate I think he will be as relevant in 2020 as Ross Perot was in 1996.

In terms of platform development, Democrats need to look at the issues he wants to address and put forward better solutions. What made him exciting was he brought forward issues neither party wanted to deal with. We should thank him because younger candidates feel a lot more confident about campaigning on these issues.

Thanks, Bernie.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. I agree. The nomination must be won on merit.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 08:39 PM
Jul 2018

I have my preferences in who I will back during primaries, but once a Democratic Party nominee emerges, I am 100% behind that person, because trying any alternative is just not sane.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
21. That's what I tried to explain, too, but nobody seems to care.
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:08 PM
Jul 2018

All too busy ranting about how Bernie sucks and shouldn't run for Vice President, which he can't because that's not how it works.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
24. OP has a valid point
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:21 PM
Jul 2018

Bernie Sanders has never followed precedent and never believes that the rules apply to him.

Personally I think we should appoint him to lead the Space Force and in the tradition of the Shogun lead from a frontal position.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
28. Obviously, and my point was about Bernie, who expects all rules don't apply to him
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:43 PM
Jul 2018

The practice of having the President select the VP is relatively new as it used to be left to the convention to decide. Even today anybody can have their name put into nomination for the VP if they can get the chair to recognize them. In 1944 not only didn't Roosevelt indicate a preference but Wallace had the votes at the beginning of the convention. As concerns about Roosevelt's health were raised Wallace's support declined and other candidates were raised up. Ironically the eventual nominee, Truman, was not interested in and did not run for the position.

As you point out for BS to "run" for VP 2 things would have to happen; The Democratic Party would havevto set aside CURRENT tradition. The more impossible hurdle is that he would have to become a member of the party he in fact despises and disparages frequently.

I believe that my reference to sending Bernie into outer space was sufficiently sardonic as to indicate I was basically agreeing with you.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
59. He Could Become A Dem
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:49 AM
Jul 2018

like he did before and then turn and run when he didn't need the Dems anymore but who says he wouldn't do the same again? Fool me once....

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
22. As already has been pointed out, Vice Presidential candidate is selected by a Presidential Candidate
Sun Jul 1, 2018, 11:10 PM
Jul 2018

So this suggestion makes no sense.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
37. Some have read it. You can recognize them, because
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:35 AM
Jul 2018

they don't propose nonsense that is not within constitutional limits. Instead, they make proposals that are possible.

CK_John

(10,005 posts)
40. The states control the type of system to elect candidates the electoral college names the winners.
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:00 AM
Jul 2018

I think a state just dropped the caucus for a primary.

Hav

(5,969 posts)
29. Besides the other points
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:18 AM
Jul 2018

The role of the VP is to be able to take over should something happen to the President, preferably someone for 2 terms I suppose. It makes no sense that the replacement is someone who is so old. Something tells me that Sanders wouldn't like to be second fiddle anyways.
2016 and the toxicity has caused enough damage. The President chooses his VP and both should be Democrats.

dawg day

(7,947 posts)
32. His or HER VP
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:40 AM
Jul 2018

> The President chooses his VP and both should be Democrats.

Just a reminder-- the last candidate was a "her", and I hope the next one is too.

Agree about both being real Democrats. That's the name on the party!

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
44. Stockdale didn't "run" for VP. Ross Perot asked him to be his running mate
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:18 AM
Jul 2018

on his independent ticket. Same as all the other running mates in history. That's why the call them "running mates."

dembotoz

(16,799 posts)
38. if we could turn the bernie hatred into electricity we could power all the airconditoners on the
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 09:45 AM
Jul 2018

east coast

some things don't change do they

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
49. Take a look at them plagiarizing a right winger.
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:29 AM
Jul 2018

Unless they are said individual, then I would be willing to take my charge of plagiarism back.

They literally copy and pasted the words of a right winger as if it was their own work.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210567597#post10

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
51. Interesting find. Very revealing...
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jul 2018
Take a look at them plagiarizing a right winger.
Interesting find. Very revealing. It's not something that's very flattering, if true.

I would be willing to take my charge of plagiarism back.
That's because you have class and integrity.

Response to CK_John (Original post)

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,672 posts)
52. Maybe right winger or maybe just stubbornly uninformed.
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:31 AM
Jul 2018

Unfortunately right wingers aren't the only people who don't know how the government works - there are an awful lot of misinformed and uninformed people on DU and everywhere else. I have to wonder if that stuff is even taught in schools any more.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
54. I don't think being stubbornly uninformed....
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 10:35 AM
Jul 2018

Makes one willing to plagiarize the work of right wingers and as if it was their own work.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
61. Trump can ask him to be his VP candidate for 2020...
Mon Jul 2, 2018, 12:19 PM
Jul 2018

and that would have more chance of succeeding then his choosing to run for VP otherwise

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