Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:17 AM
muriel_volestrangler (99,044 posts)
CNN contributor: "Sikhs 'unfairly targeted'"
Wow. If you can't get decent commentators, then don't get any at all, CNN.
Buzzfeed tweets: "CNN saying Sikhs "unfairly" targeted because they are mistaken for Muslims seems to imply it's fair to target Muslims" CNN Belief Blog Co-Editor replies: "not what I was saying at all. Relating what experts have said why Sikhs have been targeted in the past." http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/cnn-sikhs-unfairly-mistaken-for-muslims The CNN guy is full of shit. 'Unfairly' is a value judgement - not someone else's, but his - and he says it at least twice. And it implies that targeting mosques is not 'unfair'.
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muriel_volestrangler | Aug 2012 | OP |
winstars | Aug 2012 | #1 | |
Jackpine Radical | Aug 2012 | #4 | |
pinto | Aug 2012 | #2 | |
CBGLuthier | Aug 2012 | #3 | |
Jackpine Radical | Aug 2012 | #5 | |
LiberalLoner | Aug 2012 | #26 | |
awoke_in_2003 | Aug 2012 | #36 | |
muriel_volestrangler | Aug 2012 | #9 | |
Heather MC | Aug 2012 | #17 | |
Jackpine Radical | Aug 2012 | #41 | |
Heather MC | Aug 2012 | #42 | |
Jackpine Radical | Aug 2012 | #44 | |
Heather MC | Aug 2012 | #45 | |
Douglas Carpenter | Aug 2012 | #6 | |
malaise | Aug 2012 | #7 | |
msanthrope | Aug 2012 | #8 | |
winstars | Aug 2012 | #10 | |
Ghost Dog | Aug 2012 | #30 | |
freshwest | Aug 2012 | #46 | |
mountain grammy | Aug 2012 | #11 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Aug 2012 | #12 | |
zeemike | Aug 2012 | #22 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Aug 2012 | #23 | |
Spitfire of ATJ | Aug 2012 | #24 | |
stockholmer | Aug 2012 | #40 | |
Jeff In Milwaukee | Aug 2012 | #13 | |
Robyn66 | Aug 2012 | #14 | |
Ganja Ninja | Aug 2012 | #15 | |
AlbertCat | Aug 2012 | #16 | |
allan01 | Aug 2012 | #18 | |
datasuspect | Aug 2012 | #19 | |
pscot | Aug 2012 | #34 | |
Bernardo de La Paz | Aug 2012 | #20 | |
arely staircase | Aug 2012 | #21 | |
dembotoz | Aug 2012 | #25 | |
cthulu2016 | Aug 2012 | #27 | |
AlinPA | Aug 2012 | #28 | |
Tommy_Carcetti | Aug 2012 | #29 | |
Douglas Carpenter | Aug 2012 | #31 | |
Ghost Dog | Aug 2012 | #32 | |
ashling | Aug 2012 | #33 | |
YoungDemCA | Aug 2012 | #35 | |
elias7 | Aug 2012 | #37 | |
JI7 | Aug 2012 | #38 | |
marble falls | Aug 2012 | #39 | |
DFW | Aug 2012 | #43 | |
JHB | Aug 2012 | #47 | |
PavePusher | Aug 2012 | #48 |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:20 AM
winstars (4,185 posts)
1. Been saying this since yesterday!!! It would be OK if they were Muslims? WTF!!!
Response to winstars (Reply #1)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:24 AM
Jackpine Radical (45,274 posts)
4. I was saying exactly this to my wife. A commentator said they were "the wrong target."
Who, then, pray, is the RIGHT target?
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:23 AM
pinto (106,886 posts)
2. Great point.
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:23 AM
CBGLuthier (12,723 posts)
3. The word inaccurately has too many syllables for an american audience.
I would say it is reasonable to call their targeting inaccurate.
Says a hell of a lot about this country that our bigoted hate monsters are too stupid and lazy to know the difference between a Sikh and a Muslim. |
Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #3)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:25 AM
Jackpine Radical (45,274 posts)
5. And a wjhole lot of them are now saying,
"Ragheads, all of them. Good riddance."
Sometimes we seem but a short distance from Germany 1933. Other times it seems like we're already there. |
Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #5)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:29 AM
LiberalLoner (8,951 posts)
26. Yup. :(
Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #5)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 04:34 PM
awoke_in_2003 (34,582 posts)
36. We have a propaganda machine...
that would make Goebbels blush.
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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #3)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:32 AM
muriel_volestrangler (99,044 posts)
9. If he'd stuck to 'mistaken', it would be OK
It is reasonable to report that they get mistaken for Muslims by the bigots. But when, in the same sentence, he describes that as 'unfair', it implies a similar attack on Muslims would not be 'unfair'.
Ignorance knows no bounds - in Britain, the house of a pediatrician was graffiti'd by people who couldn't tell the difference between that and a pedophile. Just what is the truth? In August 2000, a female paediatrician consultant called Yvette Cloete was indeed labelled a "paedo" after a campaign by the News of the World to name and shame paedophiles in the community.
The incident took place in Newport, Gwent, not in Portsmouth (where there had been anti-paedophile protests after eight-year-old Sarah Payne was murdered) or London. Dr Cloete returned from work at the Royal Gwent Hospital to find "paedo" spray-painted on her front door. Local police believe the graffiti was written by someone who confused her job title with the word paedophile. It was no doubt a very distressing incident for Ms Cloete, who decided to move home shortly afterwards. But there is no evidence that a mob was involved or of any threats or incidents of physical pressure or violence. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4719364.stm |
Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #3)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:51 AM
Heather MC (8,084 posts)
17. I don't think the shooter cared.
Response to Heather MC (Reply #17)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:29 PM
Jackpine Radical (45,274 posts)
41. That very well could be.
They hate everyone who is different form them. Jeez, even we Unitarians are k\Godless & different enough to provoke attacks from the hatemongers.
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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #41)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 11:20 PM
Heather MC (8,084 posts)
42. It's our own fault for not being born white gun toting men with wifebeater shirts, we ask to be
attacked. If god loved us we would all be bald white men with nothing better to do than shoot innocent people
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Response to Heather MC (Reply #42)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 09:38 AM
Jackpine Radical (45,274 posts)
44. Hey, I'm an old, bald white guy.
And I have a pickup truck, own guns, and live in the country.
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Response to Jackpine Radical (Reply #44)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 01:40 PM
Heather MC (8,084 posts)
45. I am married to a bald white Military man with a pickup truck, but he doesn't
wear wife beaters I won't allow it!
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:28 AM
Douglas Carpenter (20,226 posts)
6. like the hemophiliacs who are innocent victims of HIV
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:28 AM
malaise (252,946 posts)
7. 100% correct
This is disgusting
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:29 AM
msanthrope (37,549 posts)
8. Who the fuck would be the 'fair' target? nt
Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:37 AM
winstars (4,185 posts)
10. Why Muslims of course!!! I gotta a bad feeling on how this is gonna play out on...
the MSM and it could get really stupid if what we are seeing in these early hours is any indication.
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Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:12 PM
Ghost Dog (16,881 posts)
30. Stupid Fuckin' White Men of course.
Response to msanthrope (Reply #8)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 03:11 PM
freshwest (53,661 posts)
46. The newsreader had a Freudian slip.
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:56 AM
mountain grammy (25,135 posts)
11. But I didn't mean it like that..
wahhhh! Our mainstream media continues to fail in their duty to present news and facts and maintain some shred of journalistic integrety. Wonder if they even realize their role in the decline of our democracy or if they're just too busy "looking good?"
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 07:59 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
12. That echo chamber is going to pick this up
And some jerk out there will pick up on the message that it's okay to target Muslims.
Then again, there are those who will hear this as coming from the "Liberal Media" and think it's okay to target Sikhs too and consider it to be "thinking for themselves" or "going against the conspiracy". |
Response to Spitfire of ATJ (Reply #12)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:09 AM
zeemike (18,998 posts)
22. It's all part of our national madness.
sometimes I think we should check the watter for lead in right wing places.
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Response to zeemike (Reply #22)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:14 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
23. "Water" Try the AIR. A lot of those places are near coal fired power plants.
I get the feeling that's why West Virginia is so messed up.
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Response to zeemike (Reply #22)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:22 AM
Spitfire of ATJ (32,723 posts)
24. BTW: Check this out...
Response to zeemike (Reply #22)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:25 PM
stockholmer (3,751 posts)
40. not lead, fluoride
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:01 AM
Jeff In Milwaukee (13,992 posts)
13. I'm sure the shooter THOUGHT he was targeting Muslims....
Six people dead because some dumbass flunked high school geography...
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:04 AM
Robyn66 (1,675 posts)
14. Don't you know there is a class of people its ok to target
Muslims, Doctors who perform abortions and IRS agents to name a few. Its disgusting. They didn't say the movie theater in Col was "unfairly targeted" just the FACT it was a TRAGEDY!
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:13 AM
Ganja Ninja (15,953 posts)
15. I was channel surfing this morning looking for more info on this shooting.
My only choices were CNN & FOX. Pathetic to put it mildly.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:29 AM
AlbertCat (17,505 posts)
16. Who IS "fairly" targeted?
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 08:58 AM
allan01 (1,950 posts)
18. re:CNN contributor: "Sikhs 'unfairly targeted'"
condoleces to the familes . and anyone who is "different " is targeted.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:13 AM
datasuspect (26,591 posts)
19. are seeks terra muslins anyway?
didn't think so.
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Response to datasuspect (Reply #19)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:48 PM
pscot (21,005 posts)
34. Closer to Bahai than Islam, I believe
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:43 AM
Bernardo de La Paz (44,188 posts)
20. "Never attribute to malice that which is explainable by incompetence"
It's the modern disease that people don't think much.
He used a stupid turn of phrase. That on its own is not evidence of malice toward Muslims. He's incompetent. He should be fired for incompetence, not malice. |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 09:46 AM
arely staircase (12,482 posts)
21. probably not what he meant
But probably a.Freudian slip that says a bit about him.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:23 AM
dembotoz (15,641 posts)
25. i live in milwaukee area and this type of coverage is rampant in the local media
and some of it brought on by the Sikhs themselves
sort of a we are peaceful we must have been mistaken for someone else kind of vibe. who the someone else is? pretty obvious we should prob excuse some of this because hey some fool just shot up their church. sad day sad coverage |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:32 AM
cthulu2016 (10,960 posts)
27. When you think about it, we all do this with children
After the Oklahoma City bombing there was all that endless stuff about the "innocent" kids in the daycare center who had done nothing wrong.
As opposed to the federal government employees who one could understand blowing up??? And we get extra outraged about "senseless" crimes like beating someone to death for $22.00. They never specify the dollar figure that would make the crime sensible... $38? $146? |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:35 AM
AlinPA (15,071 posts)
28. It sounds like he is copying Fox "news". That something they would say.
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 10:40 AM
Tommy_Carcetti (41,818 posts)
29. It's a double edged statement.
It's technically correct in that Sikhs are not Muslims (although braindead idiots think they are) and by that false assumption, they have suffered as a result.
But it has the tendancy of being overread to assume that it would have been somehow more excusable had the shooting occurred at a Islamic mosque instead of a Sikh temple. I doubt that was the intended purpose of the speaker, but whatever. It reminds me a little of the Susan Smith situation where Smith had falsely claimed her children had been kidnapped by a black man. This seemed to stoke racial fires--white woman trotting out the scary black man stereotype. But the ultimate truth was that Smith had killed her own children and there had never been a kidnapping. Thus, it would not have been right for her to falsely claim that a white man kidnapped her kids, either. It's a tricky line to walk. |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:16 PM
Douglas Carpenter (20,226 posts)
31. I cannot help but wonder how the media and public would react if this had been a Mosque and it had
been Muslims who had been killed by this same gunman?
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:19 PM
Ghost Dog (16,881 posts)
32. Search on entire thread reveals the term "towelheads"
referred to so far not once.
Well done, DU. |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:48 PM
ashling (25,771 posts)
33. That was my first thought
Must have been like a mass murder gone bad
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 01:49 PM
YoungDemCA (5,714 posts)
35. This is the kind of garbage that passes for commentary on CNN
What an asshole.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 05:58 PM
elias7 (3,563 posts)
37. I disagree with most here
I don't read an implication that because Sikhs are unfairly targeted, that Muslims are fair game. I think they could realized the ambiguity in the statement before putting on air, but no one here is giving an inch.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:01 PM
JI7 (87,642 posts)
38. There was a Sikh guy on with Don Lemon yesterday who responded to these type of comments
he said how it woulodn't be ok even if they were Muslim. he used better words but i was glad to hear it.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Mon Aug 6, 2012, 06:08 PM
marble falls (47,684 posts)
39. Insightfull point. Its not alright to target any class of people.
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 06:22 AM
DFW (50,012 posts)
43. Someone saw the film "Inside Man"
The NYPD mistaking a Sikh for an Arab is exactly what happens in a scene from Spike Lee's film.
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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Tue Aug 7, 2012, 06:22 PM
JHB (36,125 posts)
47. Back during the Iranian hostage crisis these nuts would target anyone who fit their bill...
...which covered a lot of people, including Iranian Christians who were here in the first place because they were fleeing the Khomeini regime.
They don't care about the details, it's all people they hate anyway. |
Response to muriel_volestrangler (Original post)
Wed Aug 8, 2012, 10:15 AM
PavePusher (15,374 posts)
48. Tempest, you need a bigger tea-pot.
Yeah the guy chose his phrasing poorly; impromptu speaking can do that to anyone.
I have seen no evidence of malice involved. If someone has some, please present it. And if you want to fire him for this, you'll have to fire all talking heads everywhere, on every network. Heh, that might actually be a good thing.... ![]() |