I'm going to say it

[EffieBlack]

FUCK EVERYONE who did not vote for Hillary Clinton.

I don't care why you didn't vote for her. I don't care if you thought she was an oligarch or didn't like her voice or her laugh or believed she wasn't liberal enough or she just didn't "inspire" you (what the hell is up with that anyway - are you 8 years old who won't eat your pancakes unless they're shaped like happy faces?). Unless you were too ill or otherwise physically incapable of voting or your vote was suppressed, fuck everyone who did not vote for the only candidate who could have prevented what is happening to this country.

[BannonsLiver]

1. Fucking A!

[Control-Z]

2. Yup.

I'm trying not to cry right now. Thank you for saying what I was thinking.

[Runningdawg]

51. I AM crying AND drinking

Feels worse than election night.

[Control-Z]

57. Right?

I'll have to wait on the drinking. West coast time.

[Runningdawg]

71. I'm retired...

fuck the time. I don't even drink but I was blowing the dust off the whiskey bottle before the words "has resigned" were off the screen.

[Maraya1969]

75. Is there any way the Dems can block the nomination process until Jan?

[Exotica]

97. Nope.

[DownriverDem]

80. For Sure

The Supreme Court will now be extreme right for decades.

[Power 2 the People]

3. Agree 100%

[sunonmars]

4. and we will pay the price of what those bastards did, fuck Sarandon and her ilk.

[NurseJackie]

5. It's what Susan Sarandon wanted. Just LOOK at how giddy and animated she is...

... she can barely contain her excitement at the horrors that await us.


Too bad she's too fucking dumb (and vain) to understand that you don't have a "revolution" by giving all the power away to the Republicans.

[RhodeIslandOne]

35. She's rich

She knows she can survive it.

[NurseJackie]

38. And way beyond child-bearing years... so what the fuck does she care about Roe?

[RhodeIslandOne]

79. The rich will still get their safe abortions

I’m sure everyone in the Trump family will.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

86. As will all the Trumps' sexual victims

Abortion money, travel money, hush money.

[Eyeball_Kid]

155. I'm sure that Trumpy paid for many, many abortions. Here come the witnesses.

He bragged that he never liked to use condoms. Hmm.. Now what are the consequences?

[Algernon Moncrieff]

170. Exactly

And those with some money will be able to afford to go to Costa Rica or Cuba to get a safe-ish abortion.

Poor women will be butchered. And/or we will find more babies in dumpsters and ladies rooms.

[Cha]

130. Aloha, Jackie.. I tagged you

in another thread for this ssarandon Idiocy..

Thank You! Oh and this thread, too!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10799427

[NewJeffCT]

203. And, even if there is a massive Democratic wave in November that swings the House & Senate

We'll still be stuck with a very conservative Supreme Court for a generation, barring a shocking death - Clarence Thomas is the oldest Republican on the court and is "only" 70 years old, so could be there for another 10-15 years or more.

Meanwhile, Democrats need a new president and the Senate to replace Ginsberg and Breyer, 85 and 79 years old now.

[NurseJackie]

212. Sarandon and the other people who believe in a "Revolution" are too fucking stupid to know...

We'll still be stuck with a very conservative Supreme Court for a generation,

Sarandon and the other people who believe in a "Revolution" are too fucking stupid to know that you don't gain power by GIVING IT AWAY ON PURPOSE!! (Idiots!)

But, hey! At least they have their pride. Right? At least their VANITY vote "sent a message". Right?

All I'm trying to say is, when they wanted to "send a message" by not voting (or by voting for Stein, or writing-in Sanders anyway)... the actual message they were sending was "Hey everybody! We're stupid as fuck!"

[Aristus]

6. I agree.

Fuck 'em all...

[Afromania]

7. I'm tired

Everything we said would happen is now happening. This country is full of fuck wits that have nothing better to do than pay attention to various forms of bullshit while insanity prevails. I'm tired of worrying about how many different ways things are going to be destroyed.

[Blue_true]

25. Same here.

I came of age under Reagan and ruling after ruling of 6-3 conservative by the Court. Then Bill Clinton came along and we had a chance to change everything forever by voting Gore in, but the hard left fucked that up. We had a second chance with Hillary, but the hard left fucked that up.

I am a straight, privileged male. A conservative court has no fucking impact on my life other than the ruling depress me. I will personally be ok, I just hurt for the people that now won't be ok. I am really tired of pleading with the far left to pay attention to the big picture when they vote. Honestly, the only thing that will hurt me is watching powerless people get hurt, the far left seeing some of their shit blown to hell? Fuck them, I am tired of carrying water for them when I vote.

[EffieBlack]

44. I could have written every word of this myself.

I am fortunate enough that I can either avoid or manage to overcome the consequences the Court can impose - and even if I can’t, I have the resources to cushion the damage. So i’m Not fighting for me. I’m fighting for those who can’t withstand the harm and who can’t fight for themselves. And one of the things that really pisses me off about many of the people who were so adamant about not soiling their their sanctimonious pure political souls by voting for someone as “imperfect” as Hillary is that they, too, had little to lose and would personally be fine under a Trump presidency, but didn’t give a shit about those who wouldn’t be just fine. Instead, they threw people under the bus so they could get their revolution on.

[Blue_true]

47. Yes, Sarandon, West, Stein, Nader

All wel known millionaires. They won't be trying to survive on $90 per month Foodstamps. Nor will not having a place to live will be anything that impacts them.

I am tired of the stress of pleading with those people to get over themselves and do the right thing, just so fucking tired and weary.

[EffieBlack]

50. True, but not just them

Plenty of other people - non-millionaires- have the same attitude.

[Blue_true]

56. Yes and that is sad.

I just could not get the regular young women who were virulently anti Hillary because of what someone told them about her. The foolishness was heartbreaking to watch and fight against.

[w100jmi]

163. It's hurting us. We get $20 a month food stamps

My wife works 30-35hrs a week at $9 hour. I've been laid off for over a year but i start a teaching assistant job this fall as i work towards certification. I cant work right now because my son is disabled. Between all of his appointments and needs, itd be impossible for me have a job. He gets 750 in ssi but it barely coverz our mortgage. Between all the gas we pay to his appointments and often have to eat out because his appointments are two hours away travel time. We are not making it. We can't make ends meet and so our credit cards are high balances.

[Blue_true]

216. $20 a month doesn't cover a good supply of ramen noodles.

That is shameful in a country that has so much.

When I was in college, I used to mega prepare meals on Sunday and refrigerate to use later, then warm them in an oven when ready to eat them. That helped me in three ways, I avoided eating out because I could not afford to, I ate healthier and lastly I saved money because I could catch bulk sales, use some and store or freeze the rest. The mega preparation and cooking was chaotic, but it worked well for me.

[EffieBlack]

228. What in the holy hell can you get for $20 a month?

That’s barely a couple of meals.

[Jakes Progress]

81. This is my story too.

I'm tired of people that I work with every day, people who will be destroyed by trump, supporting him all the way. They are too stupid and too ignorant to bother to look at what this will do to the ones they say they love. Many of these are jobless poor that I spend hours trying to help find work. They way too often are proud that they didn't vote for Hillary, that they love mr. trump.

True, the asshole millionaires who didn't vote trump, but didn't support Hillary are frustrating though.

[Blue_true]

92. I live in an area that have lots of poor people, Black, White, Hispanic.

Government and healthcare jobs are big around here, all are under attack from Trump. Fortunately for some of the poor assholes around here, the state gives lip service to Trump policies but largely keep benefits coming. I hate to see people suffer, but maybe what we need is a Great Depression, where lots of people worry about where their next meal will come from. The last time that happened, we got decent politicians in office for over 38 years.

[Jakes Progress]

118. My mother, when confronted with republican assholery,

and the folks that kept voting for them, always said: "God help me, but I think it will take another great depression to fix this."

[Blue_true]

123. She may be correct, but the country is divided.

I would not be surprised to see violence if a GD happened.

[JHan]

29. This

[The Mouth]

133. "Everything we said would happen is now happening"

Needs to be said again.

[geardaddy]

8. Bingo.

[Paladin]

9. Amen X 1000. (nt)

[lagomorph777]

10. Yes, we should spend all of our energy whining over the past mistakes of others,

and by all means we should not even think about solving our present problems.

Thanks ever so much,
Uncle Vlad

[stevenleser]

18. Sorry, that doesn't work. Actions have consequences and they need to take responsibility. nt

[lagomorph777]

21. "They" (independents) are not here. You are whining into the wind.

[radical noodle]

171. I can pretty much guarantee

that some of those too "pure" to vote for Hillary have read Effie's OP.

[Hekate]

184. "Name Removed" dropped in several times, though

[Act_of_Reparation]

221. "They need to take responsibility"

Yeah, that's likely.

[EffieBlack]

232. And even if they don't take responsibility - and surely they won't - that doesn't mean that no one

else is ever allowed to mention their culpability.

I don’t care if they don’t want to own it or don’t want to hear it, I’m going to tell them about themselves whenever and exactly how I damned well please.

[JHan]

32. it doesn't change the truth of the statement in the op.

yes their actions lead us to this point.

[EffieBlack]

46. This is not a good time to try me.

You really don’t want to go there today.

[Hekate]

115. Hey

[Hassin Bin Sober]

140. Oh Lordy.

[True Blue American]

187. Effie, Thank you

For posting this!

I just hope those who whined about Hillary, swallowed the lies about her and decided to switch or stay home in a pout are getting a good look at what they have done.

On Roe Vs Wade Susan Collins said she considers it Esbilished Law, but she has been known to switch.

As one person suggested hopefully? “Deaths do happen,” That is truly sad we have to think this way.

[LanternWaste]

62. Your pretense the OP is 'whining' is as creative as it is inaccurate.

As well, I'd also pretend, like you, that one concern for A displaces all other present concerns. As doing so certainly allows our inaccuracies much more credibility... to ourselves at least, if no one else.

Regardless of any additional petulant and projected "thanks..." (because at the end of the day, petulance is all many people have).

[KPN]

70. Right? Forget about trying to win people over ... far easier to blame them for not sharing

your identical perspective on the world. After several decades of this, you would think maybe a bell would go off.

[EffieBlack]

94. We're still trying to win them over? Really?

Fuck them.

[LiberalLovinLug]

96. Brilliant strategy!

[EffieBlack]

124. It is for me

I'm focusing my efforts and resources on getting out the vote of real Democrats who will vote Democratic if we just talk to them and help them get to the polls and make sure their votes are counted - and who don't need their asses kissed every day at noon before they'll even think of voting with us and who don't threaten to storm off in a huff if our lips aren't just the right shade of pink and perfectly puckered when applied to their derrieres each day.

And since there are more than enough of them to put us over the top if we just stop ignoring them while chasing around after spoiled prima donnas and racist Trump supporters, mine is an absolutely excellent strategy.

Wasting another second of time on anyone who, knowing what they know and seeing what they've seen would not crawl over broken glass to vote Republicans out of office is just plain stupid.

So, yes. Fuck them.

[LiberalLovinLug]

144. So...if the electoral college remains the same, you are going for a repeat of 2016?

No reaching out to any that were fooled into believing Putin's memes
No reaching out to Sanders supporters that were mad and stayed home or voted Green and may be regretting it now.
No reaching out to Independents that may be on the fence this time
No reaching out to those Republican voters that voted Obama last time.
No reaching out to any of the percentage of voters that are in that 20% that did approve and now disapprove of Trump.

Lets just tell them to FUCK OFF now so they really know we hate them and they shouldn't even THINK about voting Democrat and we don't need it.

You are going to try and do the same thing and expect different results. Actually last time we had Sanders, someone with cred in the Independent arena, implore his supporters to vote Democratic. This time you may not even have that. You don't want their help anyways. You are only going allow into the tent the purest of voters. Only Democrats for life. Spend all your time preaching to the choir and focusing on Democrats that will vote Democrat whether you urge them to or not. Again..brilliant use of time!

Lets whittle the tree down to a toothpick. It will be the purest, most established, obedient to the party, toothpick though. so there's that I guess.

[EffieBlack]

145. I told you who I'M reaching out to. You reach out to whomever you want.

Good luck.

[LiberalLovinLug]

151. We may need it

Good luck to us all

Go ahead with your preaching to the choir strategy. You are free to do that.

But there's a difference from choosing to stay in your clique and whisper sweet nothings to each other and hope things change next time and simply ignoring everyone else, to actually shouting out to anyone not in your circle to "FUCK OFF, we don't need you anyways!". At least give some of us the chance to win them over first. Because if we don't get a clear and substantial majority to counter balance the cheating that the GOP will be up to, luck won't be enough.

[EffieBlack]

156. The fact you think reaching out to marginalized voters who need help is "preaching to the choir"

but chasing around after fickle voters who have turned on us once and who can’t be trusted to pull the lever for our side once they are carried to the polls in a golden chariot on roads paved with rose petals and ermine so their delicate arses don’t get jostled on a bumpy ride is the way to go speaks volumes.

[LiberalLovinLug]

162. reaching out to marginalized voters is what I'm talking about

Those that are marginalized and those that perhaps only believe they are marginalized.

each get the same amount of votes.

actually its not that bad to use this two pronged approach.
we need folks like yourself to make sure any Democrat that was just lazy or thought Dems would win anyways, or couldn't get a ride etc. understand how important their vote is coming up.

And folks that wade into discussion groups, and maybe engage with neighbours and fellow workers, and patiently coax some of them that are on the fence or misinformed to see the light. At least to NOT vote Republican.

cheers.

[EffieBlack]

165. The people you're talking about aren't "marginalized"

The people I’m talking about aren’t hanging out in online discussion groups. They’re working two and three jobs and trying not to get profiled and shot by the police and struggling to just get through the day. They’re not “lazy” and they’re not “misinformed.” They don’t need to be convinced to vote for Democrats. They’re solid.

But they need to be convinced that their vote matters and can make a difference. They need to be shown that, despite all evidence to the contrary, the system isn’t stacked against them. They need people to help them navigate the voter registration process, make sure they don’t get purged from the rolls (and if they were, how to get back on), find out what papers they need to get the right kind of voter ID so they can vote - and help them pay to get them if they cost money. They need people to help them get to the polls on Election Day or vote absentee. They need to know their vote will actually be counted. And they need believe that their usefulness to the party won’t end on Election Day but that they will be listened to as a respected constituency between Election Days.

They need to know - and be treated as if - they are just as important as the people who are holding their breath til they turn blue because they didn’t get a perfect candidate. They need to be catered to just as much as people who are still threatening to vote for candidates that are doing everything they can to destroy these people’s lives. They need us to appreciate that they have been “holding their noses” and voting for the lesser of two evils for decades but don’t whine about it lor expect to get a damned medal for as a result.

You don’t reach these people on DU or Daily Koz or Twitter or candidate rallies. You reach them by going to them in their barber shops and beauty salons and churches and corner stores and housing projects and car washes in neighborhoods that haven’t yet transitioned into the new hot spot, neighborhoods lots of people don't want to go near much less spend any time in.

Those are the people I’m reaching out to and working with. These are the people who are going to put us over the top - if we start acting like we give a shit about their votes.

[ehrnst]

210. Thank you. As always, a voice of reason in the face of lack of reason. (nt)

[LiberalLovinLug]

239. But those feeling marginalized and actually being marginalized have the same amount of votes

And the word "marginalized" is relative like everything else.

I totally agree with you. Your second paragraph is eloquent and says it all. Go for it!

I also realize some of your angst is pure anger venting at the latest blow (SCOTUS)

I just think that it can't be so black and white (speaking almost literally). Every person that voted for Trump last time cannot possibly still be eager to vote Republican again. There must be a few out there that might be confused now, don't really like Trump. Maybe just voted blindly with their families. Or as Hillary suggested, wives just voted under pressure from their husbands. Or those that voted for Obama but would never vote for a Clinton, for instance.

Like I said, IMO we need a two pronged approach.

I think we both want the same thing in the end. A Blue Wave that has enough votes to swamp any red surge fueled by cheating and suppression by the other side.

[True Blue American]

188. For me, I have reached a point

That it is impossible to have a conversation with people I have known for decades.

Going to a lunch today with former co-Workers. One word about Trump may set me off. So far I have been able to walk away.3 times in the last week. I am nearing the end.

[CountAllVotes]

229. Its kind of sad

But in a way it is good!

At least we now KNOW WHO these people really are = white racists for the most part IMO.

I have a very disturbing letter I rec'd yesterday and I'd post it but I am afraid to do so.

What sort of country have we morphed into? It is one I no longer recognize!

[ehrnst]

207. That list in no way represents what the Democratic campaign did in 2016.

Please.

As if Effie venting her frustration here is going to be read by:

any that were fooled into believing Putin's memes (well, yes, those do pop up here from time to time...)
Sanders supporters that were mad and stayed home or voted Green and may be regretting it now.
Independents that may be on the fence this time
Republican voters that voted Obama last time.
the percentage of voters that are in that 20% that did approve and now disapprove of Trump.



Sharing one's frustration and anger, with those who are of a mind (you know, like here on DU) often gives one the strength to get over that next wall. And if you haven't noticed, there are even more as of yesterday.

Actually last time we had Sanders, someone with cred in the Independent arena, implore his supporters to vote Democratic.

He, however, didn't say a syllable about the Russian and Ukraine hackers that were posting anti-Hillary memes all over his FB pages, and the day after the election talked about how ashamed he was of the Democratic party. Let's not do that again and expect different results. Someone who demands allowing into into the tent the only purest of litmus test "true progressives," which means those he approves of.

Lets not whittle the tree down to a toothpick.

If we do, it will be the purest, most established, obedient to the "manifesto," toothpick though. so there's that I guess.

[LiberalLovinLug]

241. Roll your eyes all you like

We still will need an overwhelming majority of the votes to counter Republican cheating.

My point was simply egging on anyone that voted Democrat last time to do it again, and stopping there, and telling anyone that didn't vote Democratic last time to FUCK OFF is not going to work. Telling someone, even if they represent a tiny minority, that may be now realizing that they may have made a mistake with Trump last time and is looking for reasons to next time vote Democratic, that we don't need your vote so fuck off, is not a smart strategy. Because its only logical that if all the same people that voted Democratic last time do it again, and visa versa, the electoral college will give the same results.

[ehrnst]

242. Who is doing that here?

You seem to be attacking strawmen.

As I said, DU is not a place where "anyone that didn't vote Democratic last time" will see Effie's post.

Why is it that the tone police here think that posts blowing off steam here on DU are going to be part of "strategy?"

What are you talking about??? Who are these voters that you say are going to be alienated by Effie's post?

[LiberalLovinLug]

243. Yes, "anyone that didn't vote Democratic last time", will probably not see the post or the OP

Because neither was directed towards them.

It seems to be a call to ignore trying to win anyone over to vote Democratic this time that did not last time. That we don't need their votes. I just think this is a short sighted, and a naive approach. Taking into account that we will need every single vote we can get considering we are up against cheaters.

[ehrnst]

244. "It seems to be...."

Effie has corrected you on this, with endless patience, and you ignore her.

Sounds like you had a complaint looking for a problem.

[LiberalLovinLug]

248. It seems you are confused

I've not only answered your posts but Effie's as well. Hardly ignoring her. Maybe you just don't like the answers. It does seem that you have no response to my points at all. (That we may need more than just those that voted Hillary last time)

Not good on the old eyeballs to be rolling them that much.

[ehrnst]

249. I did. You missed it,

[leftofcool]

213. I'm sorry

Voters stupid enough to be fooled by Putin memes, also fell for Nigerian Prince money and they knew better. Sanders supporters who stayed home because their fee fees were hurt knew exactly who they were getting in Trump and didn't care. Independents are rarely on the fence and if they supported Trump before, they will do so again. Republicans didn't vote for Obama, they voted for McCain and Romney then Trump. If voters approved of Trump before, they are more in alignment with him now. I have principles and one of those principles is not voting for or enabling a racist or aligning myself with those who do. That doesn't make me obedient to any Party, it makes me obedient to me and my own values. I have absolutely no intention of reaching out to anyone who goes against my values.

[KPN]

206. I'm glad you modified/clarified the statement

in your OP with:

“Wasting another second of time on anyone who, knowing what they know and seeing what they've seen would not crawl over broken glass to vote Republicans out of office is just plain stupid.”

I agree with that.

[KPN]

99. It depends on who "them" is. So hypothetically, yes. But realistically, no, we're not trying.

Or at least not trying hard or well enough. That's been a problem.

I'm just as angry as you about Gorsuch and now another probable Trump appointee. I just don't think looking for scape goats helps our cause one bit.

[RhodeIslandOne]

117. The shit sandwich they are currently being served isn't enough?

The fact that some seem not that bothered by it makes me wonder if they are worth it.

[KPN]

202. I agree about the ones who "aren't bothered by it".

by it.” They aren’t worth it.

[Garrett78]

131. The whole point is to vote for those who don't have an identical perspective...

...when the only viable alternative is absolutely, positively unacceptable. But if that lesson hasn't sunk in by now, I'm afraid it never will.

[JI7]

189. if they need to be won over it means they don't care about the issues . in fact i think they enjoy

seeing civil rights destroyed .

[ehrnst]

197. After several decades of them spitting in our faces, you would think maybe a bell would go off.

And next time I hear a "well, those centrist dems are just unacceptable, GET RID OF PELOSI NOW!" then I'll mention your thoughts about tolerance for those who don't share an identical world view...

At least if they're white men.

[EllieBC]

101. It wasn't a mistake. They knew what they were doing.

Unless they are stupid they knew.

[Hekate]

114. Thanks, lagomorph. I'll suck it up and feel utterly isolated in my worldview.

Yeah, that will surely help.

[Cha]

125. We're Fucking Multi-Tasking here.. Taking a minute

to say "FUCK YOU to FUCKING jill stein and ssarandon LIES and those POOR SUCKERS who GOT SUCKED IN"

Here's PA's NUMBERS.. thanks to BumRushDaShow

CLINTON, HILLARY
(DEM)
47.85%
Votes: 2,926,441
Running mate: TIM KAINE

TRUMP, DONALD J
(REP)
48.58%
Votes: 2,970,733
Running mate: MICHAEL R PENCE

DIFFERENCE = 44,292 <---

https://electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=54&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

THIRD PARTY

CASTLE, DARRELL L
(CON)
0.35%
Votes: 21,572
Running mate: SCOTT N BRADLEY

STEIN, JILL
(GRN)
0.82%
Votes: 49,941 <---
Running mate: AJAMU BARAKA

JOHNSON, GARY E
(LIB)
2.40%
Votes: 146,715
Running mate: WILLIAM WELD

TOTAL 3RD PARTY = 218,228

https://electionreturns.pa.gov/General/SummaryResults?ElectionID=54&ElectionType=G&IsActive=0

Oh and here's dumbshit Sarandon.. Not a damn brain in her head..

Nurse Jackie

[BlueMTexpat]

177. You go, Cha!

And so does Effie Black!

The one you are responding to - not so much!

[Cha]

179. These posters wanting to shut down discussion on stein and sarandon are so tiresome..

The FECKLESS RFs are going to do it again in 2020.. they feel no remorse.

Link to tweet

Nurse Jackie

Hillary Warned Us..

Link to tweet

Mahalo, BlueMTexpat!

[BlueMTexpat]

180. Apart from his run in 2000, I consider

Nader different from Stein and Sarandon. Nader and his "Raiders" helped a lot with consumer safety issues before his 2000 run helped to deprive Al Gore of the Presidency by putting valuable FL votes at risk.

Stein and Sarandon have NEVER helped anyone but themselves. Both are selfish, empty POS!

[Cha]

182. Exactly, Blue.. "stein and sarandon have NEVER helped

anyone but themselves. Both are selfish, empty POS!"

[we can do it]

11. Fuck them and fuck being civil to them.

[dalton99a]

129. +1

[The Genealogist]

12. Agree

I don't care why they refused to vote for Sec. Clinton. Screw them.

[oberliner]

13. Like Michael Harriot of The Root

Who wrote a piece called: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" right after she secured the Democratic nomination.

[JHan]

34. one of the reasons why I take that author in doses.

It was one of the most ridiculous pieces I ever read.

[yardwork]

67. I can't stand that guy.

[cwydro]

120. Yep.

Spot on.

[backtoblue]

14. Can I add "in the general election"?

[SunSeeker]

15. K & R

[Blue_Tires]

16. CO-SIGNED

[mcar]

17. Right there with you!

Fck 'em all.

[TomCADem]

19. Jill Stein, Glenn Greenwald, Cornell West and Susan Sarandon...

...would just dismiss you as neoliberal corporatist scum who are controlled be the deep state.

[Blue_true]

26. They are all rich well known people, they won't suffer. nt

[oasis]

43. Prof. Cornel West has some explaining to do when fall classes begin.

[kairos12]

20. You're damn skippy!

[Blue_Tires]

22. I have no doubt that many Ivory Tower leftbro bloggers/pundits

who directly/indirectly whored for Trump are searching for second homes abroad if they don't already have them... Gotta have their escape option so they won't have to live with the consequences and fuck the rest of us...

[Blue_true]

28. Susan Sarandon, that asshole who hates elites.

Introduced herself to Queen Elizabeth and curtsied, while at some highbrow function. I like Liz, but I think Sarandon's act showed just what she is, she is taken with power.

[kcr]

222. What a fucking phony

It showed what a fraud she and a certain movement is and always was.

[Blue_true]

223. Yep. nt

[Ligyron]

23. I've always wondered exactly who and how many actually did this.

My guess is not many but was it enough to produce this result?

[spicysista]

24. Normally, I relish being right.

Telling someone a playful, "told you so", is usually fun. I thought that life under 45 would be awful for the country and leave lasting marks on us for decades to come. This is just the worst. I never thought I'd see children being taken away and jailed. I never imagined policies targeting actual religions would be enacted and not challenged by both parties. I just knew that after the Orangeman stumped allover our allies and bent over for our enemies.....that people would have said........something? Anything?
This is far worse than anything I could have imagined. Not because I thought tRump was better, but because I thought better of my fellow countrymen.
DL Hughley had it right. Twitler has lowered the blue book value of the presidency. His supporters and enablers have, forever in my mind, tarnished the image of the "neighborly" American to the global citizen.

[Blue_true]

33. I personally have nothing to lose from a conservative court.

Other than watching my soul get eaten away by the rulings. Economically, my rights, no effect.

[spicysista]

54. What's a person without a soul?

If that is all you have, then it would seem that you stand among those to lose the most, Blue. I just can't stand this, Blue. Things are going to improve, they always do. I just hope the cycle doesn't take too long to get here.

[minstrel76]

27. I totally agree

I tried to explain to some of my fellow progressives what the risks would be for not voting for Hillary but they didn't listen. I guess stupid really can't be fixed.

[calimary]

40. Welcome to DU, minstrel76.

On a day like this, I'm kinda at a loss for words. But NOT at a loss for resolve.

I love this country too much to give up on it. But I've noticed I have to tell myself that - even have to start DEMANDING that mindset of and to and from myself - a lot more often these days - to keep my spine in place. This place helps me avoid becoming completely discouraged, because it reminds me that I'm not alone in my thinking.

[calimary]

30. Take a number.

FUCK everyone who still thinks "both sides the same! The SAME! NO Difference!"

HOW anybody can still believe that, by now, is beyond me. But The Stupid is strong with too many of our fellow citizens.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

31. Might be good penance : gotv twice as hard in nov

[Demsrule86]

39. Sure...a bit late but better than never I suppose.

[GoCubsGo]

36. They ARE fucked.

They just don't realize it yet, and they don't understand just how badly they fucked.

[Demsrule86]

37. We warned them Effie...we warned them...they sneered at us

[leftofcool]

214. And then sat on their asses and didn't vote.

I'm like Hillary, I don't have anymore fucks to give.

[revmclaren]

41. K&R and a hearty 'FUCK THEM' as well...

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Only! 2018 - 2020.

[Awsi Dooger]

42. Ounce of prevention

Person means nothing in comparison to party. I always have to laugh at people who say they vote for the person and not the party. Somehow that theme is popular on sports sites. The posters believe it makes them seem balanced and clever. I call them morons or worse and they can't stand it. Meanwhile hundreds of major decisions are in the balance simply based on which party you choose.

And there's a minor hint on that regard when almost every major House or Senate vote is virtually unanimous in each direction, depending on which side you check.

[muntrv]

45. Ditto for those who didn't vote for Gore in 2000. Thanks Nader.

[Madam Mossfern]

48. I think it's in our best interest to move on

Yes, I voted for Hillary.

OPs like this do nothing to unify the party.
What do you hope to accomplish with posts like this?

[EffieBlack]

55. Take your lectures elsewhere

If you don’t like what I have to say, I suggest you put me on ignore.

[Madam Mossfern]

58. People aren't allowed to disagree with you?

I didn't flame you, why are you being so defensive.?
All that I would like to know is to what benefit are posts like the OP?

No, I won't put you on ignore.

[DonCoquixote]

64. I cannot speak for Effie

But I can speak for myself...as long as we on the left fight with boxing gloves, and they fight with chainsaws, not only will we lose, but those who are depending on us will DIE!

EB, if I mis-stated the point, apologies in advance.

[Madam Mossfern]

72. I understand your point of view

about fighting Republicans ....

[BumRushDaShow]

49. We are fucked.

[get the red out]

52. Agree!

They are just about Trump level with me right now.

[Jakes Progress]

74. You don't want to start this.

I could counter that if Bernie had enthusiastically campaigned for Hillary, she would have won. She would have won if Bernie had not pushed the primaries as far and long as he did. Hillary would have won if the Bernie voters who were "really angry" had compromised and not gone off in a huff.

It can go on and on. If Bernie had compromised, Hillary would have won. Or put better, trump would have lost.

Hillary gets shat on regularly for compromising. Bernie is lauded because he won't compromise.

You might rethink your premise. Sometimes the truth hurts.

[Sunsky]

59. Fuck them

Fuck all of those who sow discord in the Democratic party. I hope you'll receive your just reward.

[Meowmee]

61. Yep

And fuck everyone who just didnt vote at all. This will affect everyone, fascism is taking over and more civil liberties, if not all will be removed in time. If you think that wont affect you you’re wrong.

[jalan48]

63. Remember the Alamo!

[DoctorJoJo]

65. RIGHT ON!! I Already Responded to Another Post As Follows:

For all you "purists," who got their panties in a wad over Hillary (I didn't support her in the Primary, but I sure TF didn't throw away my GE vote): YOU own Trump, YOU own Neil Gosuck, YOU own Gosuck II, and YOU own 20 years of legal wilderness, including complete outlawing of abortion! Now, please go back to your cat videos. and find another site to cry on!

[BlueJac]

66. totally agree

[WhiskeyGrinder]

68. And I'm going to K&R it because you are CORRECT.

[StevieM]

69. Check out this video I posted in a separate thread.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210796949

[elmac]

73. I understand your frustration

I am probably more pissed off then you. With our own government telling us that Russia will be mucking things up this year and not doing anything to stop them, voter suppression, corporate GOP news 24/7, big money and now the Supreme court. We are fucked if we just rely on election's for change.

[jrthin]

76. YES!!!!!!!!! nt

[FakeNoose]

77. So right Effie

We need to do better, we HAVE to do better and get out the vote!

[olegramps]

78. One person that I despise is Smercornish. He cost Clinton the election.

He says that he is an Independent and I say bullshit. He knew that the critical damage that he could do was to convince people to not vote for either candidate thereby assuring Trump the presidency. He is nothing more than a filthy Republican Fascists bastard.

[spooky3]

82. Agree 100%, and I really like your line about "inspirational" pancakes. nt

[Honeycombe8]

83. I blame the ones who didn't vote at all, as much as those who voted 3rd party.

There's no excuse for not voting at all, given what the Democrats were facing in Trump, and what was on the table: medicare, healthcare, Social Security, Medicaid, immigration, trade, taxes....

[Toorich]

84. To my caucasian brethern here.....

...remember, when they shot and killed the black men, we did what? When they tore brown babies from their mother's breast and put them in dog cages in infant prisons, we did what? When they come for us white guys who are not registered reThugs, who will be left to............??

[Hekate]

116. Your "Caucasian brethren here" are members of Democratic Underground & are neither silent...

...nor passive. What you say is insulting to us specifically. You have an opportunity to rephrase, Toorich, by clicking Edit Post at the bottom of your post.

[RandomAccess]

85. That's fine, Effie. But that's not why she lost.

Ron Baiman (Ph. D.): U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies.... (Affadavit)

Updated, Expanded and Corrected Affidavit Version: U.S. 2016 Unadjusted Exit Poll Discrepancies Fit Chronic Republican Vote – Count Rigging, not Random Statistical, Patterns https://www.researchgate.net/publication/319205877_Updated_Expanded_and_Corrected_Affidavit_Version_US_2016_Unadjusted_Exit_Poll_Discrepancies_Fit_Chronic_Republican_Vote_-_Count_Rigging_not_Random_Statistical_Patterns

‘Shy’ Voters Probably Aren’t Why The Polls Missed Trump
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/shy-voters-probably-arent-why-the-polls-missed-trump/

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Hillary didn't lose because she was less POPULAR. She lost because of James Comey's letters and because of some even more important factors -- more important because they're not going away. They will be used against us in every election going forward, unless we can stop them.

The big problems are voter suppression, Russian meddling, and targeted voter propaganda through Twitter, Google, Facebook, and other forms of social media. There is no question that the Trump campaign, through Cambridge Analytica, did this -- and that the Russians did this. The only question is how much they conspired together in the propaganda campaign.

We need to figure out how to defend the democratic process from fake news and micro-targeted AI propaganda -- or lose our democracy. https://www.democraticunderground.com/10029576691



Here is how they stole the election, well this and KGB operatives V Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/



23:00 6/25/2017
PALMER: Rigged election: Donald Trump won every surprise swing state by the same 1% margin
http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/rigged-election-donald-trump-won-every-surprise-swing-state-by-the-same-1-margin/118/

The most commonly posited explanation of Donald Trump’s shocking election victory was that every professional pollster in the nation – despite each working independently and using differing methodologies – somehow managed to overlook the same pockets of Trump voters in these states. If such pockets did exist, they would have existed in varying sizes in each of the four states, thus resulting in different sized wins in each.

Ask any statistician and they’ll tell you that a reasonable distribution of the results would have been Trump winning one of the states by one percent, won one of them by perhaps three percent, won one of them by two percent, lost one of them by one percent, or something along those lines. But instead the voting tallies looked startlingly different from any natural distribution. In fact they looked startlingly the same.

According to the New York Times, the voting results broke down like this: Trump won Florida by just over one percent of the vote. He also won Pennsylvania by just over one percent. He won Michigan by just under one percent. And he won Wisconsin by precisely one percent. That’s not how numbers tend to work in the real world.

On its own, this kind of suspiciously consistent numerical dispersion across the four states that decided the election would be something that could be written off as a mere fluke. But when you put it within the context of the numerous other ways in which the voting tallies make no mathematical sense, it points to the numbers having been rigged or altered.


MikeFarb @mikefarb1
#unhackthevote
Did Trump win Michigan? I don' think so.
Won by 10,704 but wait
75,355 Ballots Thrown Out
87 Machines Broke Down in Detrioit

Link to tweet

[tiredtoo]

87. Ok now that you have fucked everyone

What is your next move?

[Bonx]

89. Fuck e'm again!!!

[tiredtoo]

160. That good huh?

[njhoneybadger]

88. God Damn those people, and I mean every word of it

[LiberalLovinLug]

100. welcome to DU!

although be warned. You are allowed to be carried away with false accusations about voting. Basically calling almost half of Democratic primary voters traitors and the cause of having Trump with us is perfectly fine.

What you are not allowed to do, by a few in here at least, is any criticism of Mrs. Clinton's past positions, statements, or associates or donors. And to dare to suggest that a Clinton's position on an issue could in any way conflict with your personal morals?...you are treading on thin ice my friend.

[EffieBlack]

126. Your friend's gone

[LiberalLovinLug]

146. Your doing?

Yes, how dare any newbie express that they had a moral dilemma with one of our past candidates actions. Our candidates are perfect and never do wrong. And for that matter, the whole party is always doing everything right and should never be criticized either, even with the best intentions to make them improve and win more.

Oh...except for a past candidate that you don't like personally. For them its perpetual open season. Is that about right?

[EffieBlack]

152. Not my doing

But your concern is noted.

[LiberalLovinLug]

153. Thank you

[EffieBlack]

157. You're welcome

[marble falls]

195. I imagine a couple of more alerts got sent.

[BumRushDaShow]

143. "Democrat Party"

[EffieBlack]

147. Whoops!

[johnp3907]

149. There's no such thing as "the Democrat party."

But you knew that.

[EffieBlack]

158. They just forgot to make sure not to show us they know it ...

[wysi]

111. This is your fault

... and the fault of everyone who thinks like you. Thanks for helping to destroy our once-great nation.

[JHan]

91. I mean I don't see how anyone could disagree with this, I see no lies.

Elections are about consequences.

[mtngirl47]

93. I'm so sick and tired. Fuck them all. n/t

[bthp223]

95. Doomed

We are doomed, I'm so lost today.

[calimary]

175. Welcome to DU, bthp223.

All I can say to you is that you're feeling lost - along with a LOT of us here. I've been down in the dumps all day. Haven't even watched the news. I just don't have the stomach for it. So as glum as you may feel, you're certainly not alone.

[MFM008]

98. Fuck you

And your "revolution".
Thanks for destroying everything we
Are supposed to believe in.

[Wwcd]

109. Koch by design.

[Hekate]

102. A cry from the heart that I share. There are two people who were in my life that I hope...

...I never see again. One had been a long time colleague in local social justice and peace work, the other is a very narrow hyper-intellectual who only knows mathematics. Both these women are about my age, which is 70, and well old enough to know better.

The last -- the very last time -- I had lunch with my old colleague, a bright Latina with heart, she parroted the anti-Hillary screeds from the Left. "Hillary Rodham" is more dangerous than Trump because she knows where the levers of power are, and that kind of crap. What made it worse was I know which group of vets she was spending all her time working with, because during the Bush2 years I worked with them too.

The other woman I have only encountered a handful of times and she has always irritated me, but the last time was right after the Comey "revelations." She went out of her way to needle me hard about Hillary's supposed criminality. Talk of Trump's character left her unmoved. "We'll see," she said. "We'll see what the next week brings."

How could they? How could one I thought I knew be so blind? How could the other one be that arrogant? And here's the final kick in the ass: they are both financially marginal.

Last week I phoned an old friend from graduate school and spent an hour talking her down from her anxiety about the fascist, trying to give her some hope. She's poor and lives in senior housing, with a son dying in a nursing home far away in Wisconson. Trump is a disaster for such as they -- this is reality. She's like me, she voted for Hillary, absolutely no question about it.

A few days later I phoned my sister and it was even worse. She's Dem to the bone, like me. I felt like I was trying to talk someone down off a ledge for over an hour. I did my best. She's in upstate New York and I am in California. I can't just drop in. Aside from the galloping fascism, Trump's destruction of the ACA is impacting her husband, herself, and their virtually disabled adult son that she brought home to live with them -- this is real. She wants to leave the country, but can't.

Then for me, something more about the children -- maybe it was Senator Elizabeth Warren's write-up of her visit to the cages -- My eyes leaked all day. Again, insomnia.

Damn, now I seem to be dribbling tears on my iPad. Sorry if it makes the ink run. Sorry if I said too much.

[spooky3]

110. I'm so sorry to hear this. Hope you and your family can hang in there. nt

[Hekate]

112. Thanks. My husband and I are the only ones I wrote about who are financially secure...

For us it's the heavy emotional toll of watching the ruination of our country, as well as what that means for those we care about. I am having to learn the hard way to stop sharing political news with my husband, because it makes him want to leave the country for real.

[rumble]

172. What's so bad about leaving the country? There are better places.

[Hekate]

176. I guess that depends on your point of view, your age, and your bank account

It is very educational to explore Canada's immigration website, as my husband did during the BushCheney admin and then after Trump got in. They prefer people who are educated, have desirable skills, speak more than one language, and are not retirement age.

In other words, someone who can contribute to society and to the tax base. If you are old, you need to bring alot of money to make up for the fact that you never contributed to their health care infrastructure during your working life. That is just reality.

My kids are adults and have no desire to move from where they are. I have no desire to leave them behind.

My people have been on this continent since shortly after 1620. I always come back to: this is the ground I stand on. That is my point of view.

[EllieBC]

103. I agree with you 100%. I hope their "conscience" and

"Progressiveness" was worth it to them.

[johnp3907]

104. Agree 100%!

[LonePirate]

105. Let me rec this for you.

[betsuni]

106. K&R

[ismnotwasm]

107. Yup.

[vercetti2021]

113. Yeah fuck them straight to hell!

They fucked the country because they had a sad over a choice. Stupid dumbasses!

[Gothmog]

119. No matter what it was clear that the SCOTUS was a key issue in 2016

All of this is on the idiots and assholes who voted for Stein or who stayed home because they listened to russian fake news or fake stories pushed by groups like JPR

[sheshe2]

121. Yes. nt

[BannonsLiver]

122. Also worth noting

Many of these same people hated President obama, for a variety of reasons. He was never pure enough for them, and even if he were there is the latent bigotry.

[Cha]

128. Exactly. They were called emoprogs back then and

they were all over this board spreading their propaganda and hate on President Obama. They were too "pure" for their own fucking good.

Most of them are gone now.. to redder pastures.

[madaboutharry]

127. I'm with you, EffieBlack.

Fuck them. Everyone of them.

[pwb]

132. I voted for her.

So I'm good?

[GaryCnf]

134. Maybe who we should

be angry at are the geniuses who ran a feckless campaign and the echo chamber that enabled it.

When an election turns on as few votes as 2016 it may well be true that Jill Stein's extra 1%, or a relatively small percent (compared to the % of disgruntled PUMAS who abandoned GOT POTUS Barack Obama in 2008) of Sanders supporters who didn't vote with us, or Russian propaganda which wouldn't have fooled anyone other than the feeble, or Wayne County voters who wanted a better reason than a sermon, or Comey that pushed Trump over the edge.

BUT it wasn't them that pushed that election from what would have been a slaughter if Obama were running right up to the edge.

If only someone, someone, on our side understood that 3 million votes in California weren't worth 60000 votes in Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsyvania and acted like it.

[ismnotwasm]

139. Cute.

Never estimate the power of bigotry though.

[GaryCnf]

166. Actually it is because

I am fully aware of the power of bigotry that I can say that Obama's decisive victories demonstrate the power of a truly transformational candidate.

[Cha]

174. jill FUCKING stein ran a FECKLESS campaign with her GD

LIES..... her and that FUCKING Stupid ASS ssarandon.

Link to tweet

Nurse Jackie

Hillary Warned Us..

Link to tweet

[GaryCnf]

178. Typical

IGNORES that Stein made a difference ONLY because the most negative, least issue-oriented campaign in history made it close and then thinks that a "Republicans bad" tweet (instead of a tweet about what WE would have done with our judicial appointments) proves anything other than the price we paid for a campaign that listened to David Brock instead of Michelle Obama.

[Cha]

181. Hillary Warned Us.. don't you be Dissing Hillary with

your clueless insults.

Link to tweet

[GaryCnf]

194. Little suggestion

You should check with SSF before attempting to use innuendo on certain subjects.

[EffieBlack]

198. When certain candidates lose, it's everyone else's fault but theirs

Hillary gets more votes but all manner of efforts conspired and combined to deny her the presidency - including so-called progressives who intentionally and proudly refused to vote for her - and it is HER fault because SHE ran a "feckless" campaign.

Bullshit.

[Cha]

201. Right.. Some LOSERS blame it on Everything else but

REALITY.

But when Hillary gets Avalanched with Russian interference and their FECKLESS FUCKING LYING Enablers in Swing STATES.. And actually got 3 MILLION more VOTES.. it's all Hilary's fault.. She Warned US..

But stein Suckers had their fingers in their ears and their eyes SHUT.. and brains not engaged.

Link to tweet

[EffieBlack]

217. Cognitive dissonance, at best

Us: Hillary got more votes, but just couldn’t overcome the array of forces - Russian interference, voter suppression, media bias, etc. - that aligned to deny her the presidency.

Them: STOP WHINING AND MAKING EXCUSES! Hillary lost because she ran a “feckless” campaign. Stop blaming the Russians, the Republicans and the media! If she’d been a better candidate, they wouldn’t have mattered!

Us: The people who refused to vote for Hillary are responsible for this.

Them: No, they’re NOT! The RUSSIANS and the REPUBLICANS and the MEDIA played a HUGE role in all of this!

[GaryCnf]

209. The bullshit is blaming

The last straws for the 2 ton haystack that got heaped on the party's back with a campaign that went low instead of high.

[Cha]

218. You know nothing about it.

[Sparkly]

225. Thank you.

[Hekate]

185. Suuure, so feckless she WON by 3 million votes. It took a helluva lot of rigging the system...

...to keep Hillary out of the White House.

But thank you so very much for your deep concern.

[GaryCnf]

193. Really?

Thinking you get to claim victory for landslides in a handful of states while your opponent is getting ready to overturn Roe, Obergefell, and Roper v. Simmons is the version of political fantasy that got us where we are now.

But that's okay, it will only cost lives from Guatemala to Flint.

[Cha]

199. FUCKING FECKLESS stein and sarandon's LIES Cost precious

VOTES Or we wouldn't be dealing with this SHIT NOW.

[GaryCnf]

205. Maybe

some people shouldn't have helped David Brock drive our car up to the edge in 2016 with the same fear campaign style he used to lose in 2008. Hell, he had to leave two wheels dangling over the edge for a political gnat like Stein and an Hollywood actress to push us into the abyss.

[Cha]

208. Oh be in denial.. I. don't. care.

[Hekate]

240. WE THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE DID NOT ELECT THE MAD KING. WE DID NOT WANT HIM.

I don't know about you, but while the Trojan Horse is wrecking the very foundations of our democratic republic, while I am literally weeping for the children, it sometimes gives me some small shred of comfort to know that the MAJORITY OF MY FELLOW CITIZENS DID NOT VOTE FOR THIS.

Oh, and once again, thank you for your concern.

[Sparkly]

226. Thank you, Hekate.

[NY_20th]

211. If some are still angry at the Democratic party

in this time of crisis, than I'm not quite sure how to win them over.

If people still don't realize the difference between the parties at this point, we should move on and concentrate on the voters that do get it.

[Cha]

219. Precisely.. they can stew in their own

little puddle of juices.

[Quayblue]

135. K&R

[UTUSN]

136. K&R

[RhodeIslandOne]

137. The JPR, of course, are mocking you with their own thread

I'm not sure if it's one of the purity police who still think they made the right call or some phony right-winger who's dancing a jig IRL over today's news while ginning up the plebes.

[Maven]

159. They're trash. No better than Trumpers.

Worse, actually.

[emulatorloo]

168. They never met an alt-right conspiracy theory they didn't fall in love with

When they were here, the slobbered over Fox News hacks like Joe DiGenova.

[Hekate]

183. This thread certainly pulled in some visitors. I'm glad some of them are munching cold pizza now.nt

[BlancheSplanchnik]

141. My heart just stopped a little bit when I read that.

The way you put it... somehow hit me in the heart.

I admire you for saying it exactly right. I say that as I try not to cry.

[Persondem]

148. I am going to start posting this response on these threads ... Can we please ...

... stop fighting the last battle and focus our time energy and resources on the coming elections in 2018 and 2020?

[johnp3907]

150. We know who our enemies are!

[Dopers_Greed]

164. Things that tipped the election

1. Voter fraud
2. Russian interference
3. "Progressive" spoilers

You are correct in blaming folks who refused to vote Hillary. But that wasn't the only cause.

[nini]

167. yea.. I've reached my boiling point.

It's time to start going for the jugular of ANYONE who had a part in where we are now.

They put my future, my grandkid's future and this entire country at risk because of their stupidity.

If I want to vent about them while working on kicking the asses of the repubs in November.. God Dammit I'm going to - they deserve every bit of it.

[Rabrrrrrr]

169. Fuck yeah!

Preach it!

[R B Garr]

173. Yes to everything you said. Some responses about convincing

people to vote for Democrats are word for word the same snively superficial cries for attention. How can anyone keep up that pretense after watching Trump in action for a year and a half. What more do they need??

[YOHABLO]

186. Now is not the time for division. We as Dem / Progressives / liberals /must stand together.

[EffieBlack]

191. Bullshit. If you didn't try to stop Trump, you can't claim to be a "Dem/Progressive/liberal"

I’m not going to “stand together” with people who turned on our party and the people we’re supposed to protect.

They don’t deserve my kind words. They don’t deserve my patience. They don’t deserve my respect.

Calling them out isn’t “division.” They divided themselves from us when they refused to support our candidate, despite knowing full well that they were likely helping to elevate a racist, homophobic, xenophobic fascist bigot to the presidency.

So, as I said, fuck them.

[marble falls]

200. You're right. There's no working with anyone who sat out the election or voted for ...

Stein out of a misguided "values" bend of mind. At its absolute worst the election was between Clinton and Trump. Not voting or sacrificing one's vote was not an option: Trump and Clinton were not offering equal outcomes.

[duforsure]

190. What needs to happen now

Some within the party of trump need to realize they no longer are republicans, not after promoting putting babies in cages, promoting neo nazi and white supremacy , promoting dictator terrorist around the world, promoting rigging elections from an enemy , promoting corruption and lying. I think there are some that don't hold any of those values , and now need to renounce their membership any longer to a party like this. They need to side with Democracy with the Democrats and take Senate control out of trump , putin , and mitch's control any longer for the good of this country. Or they will be forever known for turning their backs on our country in favor of this monster we now have in office destroying this country as we know it. McCain is a better man than that staying with them hurting this country any longer, and all those promoting loyalty to trump over loyalty to our country .

[marble falls]

192. Why not? Its true and honest. Every single one of them.

[ehrnst]

196. K&R

[floWteiuQ]

204. I'll second that!

.

[Gothmog]

215. We are losing Roe v. Wade due to these assholes

Link to tweet

[IronLionZion]

220. Since folks should hopefully not repeat that mistake, they will double down on voter suppression

Some of us don't have the luxury of throwing away our votes waiting for an imaginary unicorn to arrive. Many of us are directly feeling the impact of Trump's presidency on our loved ones.

[harun]

224. Should have thrown Progressives a bone then.

Sometimes things need to get worse before they can get better.

[EffieBlack]

227. Only someone mired in entitlement would say something so ridiculous

First of all, the people who refused to vote for Hillary aren’t progressives. They are outlier disrupters. Progressives voted for Hillary because they don’t play these kinds of childish “give me what I want or I’m going to hold my breath until I turn blue” games. But evenif you want to label these crybabies “progressives,” they don’t represent all, most or even a critical mass of progressives. And these outlier “progressives” need to grow the fuck up and stop demanding they be “thrown a bone” in order to vote for the duly nominated nominee in a general election in the most important election in our generation. The world and the party doesn’t revolve around them.

Second, YOU may be ok with things “getting worse before they get better,” but plenty of people - people who true progressives actually care about, protect and fight for - don’t have the same luxury. They have no room for error. They have nothing to fall back on or cushion them from the “worse.” Their lives will be infinitely harder. Worse could possibly destroy them while faux “progressives” try to prove a point.

Therefore, as I said, fuck them.

[PossiblePasts]

231. Totally agree! eom

[harun]

234. We didn't try to prove a point, we did prove a point.

Probably get my post deleted for saying this but run another corpo-dollar candidate the same will happen.

I'm not saying this to piss you off, I am saying it as a warning of what will happen.

[EffieBlack]

235. You didn't prove shit

except that you are self-centered and selfish and cruel enough to allow people to suffer egregiously so YOU can make a point that means and does nothing for the people you crapped all over.

In other words, the only point you made was about yourselves.

[harun]

237. The real self-centered and selfish of the last election cycle were those that

were willing to brush aside their ideals and principles for the palatable corporate approved establishment candidate.

Moving more Conservative has never been nor will never be, the answer. Those who sacrifice their principles and vote for Conservative ideology deserve neither.

[EffieBlack]

247. No, boo-the real problem is people who refused to vote for the only candidate who could have stopped

Donald Trump allowed themselves to be convinced that the duly selected Democratic nominee is a "corporate approved establishment candidate" and therefore it would be a "sacrifice of their principles and ideals" to vote for her, even if it meant that a greedy, crooked, ignorant, inexperienced pig of a man living in the pocket of Russian oligarchs and strongmen, is destroying our democracy, is putting babies and toddlers in cages, is stripping away union and individual rights, is inciting deadly violence against the press, is encouraging racists, Nazis and KKK, is about to shove the Supreme Court further right to the point that civil rights are being eviscerated and Roe v. Wade will likely be overturned, has debased public discourse to the point that we may never dig it back out of the much (and that's just a partial list) would become president of the United States.

The problem is that people that stupid or craven or un-American (or combination thereof) not only had an influence on such an important election but continue to have enablers and defenders who will blatantly smear Democrats on a Democratic discussion board in language virtually cut and pasted from sources that no serious person would give any credence to, much less consider as anything even remotely intended or likely to advance progressive principles or goals.

[still_one]

230. It took over 200 years in this country for progress to made toward Civil Rights, and one day in

November, with the help of selfish, self-absorbed, or apathetic people, who refused to vote for the Democratic nominee, it is now being destroyed

[SpankMe]

233. And fuck millennials while you're at it...

And by "fuck", I mean "motivate them to vote". In most states, between 50 and 60% of people in the 19-29 age group DID NOT VOTE in 2016. That's hundreds of thousands of potential votes for Democrats that were not cast and that surely would have made a difference.

This is the problem we really have to deal with - non-voting. Conservatives typically gang bang those voting booths every election. Independents and liberals don't take voting nearly as seriously. We have to get to the bottom of this one issue with careful study and appropriate mitigation and activism.

[EffieBlack]

236. Some people don't vote because they're throwing a tantrum. Some people don't vote because they CAN'T

I’m reaching out to the latter.

I say “fuck you” to the former.

[WorkDoctor]

238. Non-voters be damned

The SCOTUS seat and family separation have to motivate all Dems and those with a heart (counting on ALL women, including those sought-after "suburban" ones) to vote in the next two elections. No excuses. Elections have consequences is an understatement!

[Gothmog]

245. From my twitter feed

Link to tweet

[EffieBlack]

246. My OP doesn't mention and isn't about Jill Stein

She is completely irrelevant to me and this discussion so I'm not sure what tweets on your feed referring to "berating" or "raging at" Jill Stein have to do with this discussion.