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Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:49 PM

 

Should we Ask Our Military to Protect Us, from Enemies Foreign and Domestic?

We Have a Domestic Enemy, in Trump and the Republican Congress.

Should we Ask Our Military to Protect Us, from Enemies Foreign and (these) Domestic Enemies? "Republicans and Trump"


All of the 10's of Thousands to the 100's of thousands including the "Specialty Trained U.S. Military members, may consider the scope of their duty, which is to protect this country from its Enemies, Foreign and Domestic... and Recognize the Enemy is a "Domestic Enemy of the People and the Nation, that Domestic Enemy is: "TRUMP AND THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS. Our Military Leaders must identify the enemy and in doing so, they have sworn duty to protect and defend, by necessary actions.
They too see, (unless they have become blinded) the daily attack our Democracy, they Attack the Civility of our society, and threaten our Democracy and Assault with Willful Vile Intent and Vile Actions upon and against the Civil Dignity that the Declaration of Independence Stands For and What Our United States Constitution Supports, and do... what is the duty, in what our trained Military is Sworn to do, in aims and efforts of endeavors to Uphold and Defend, the United States and Its System of Democracy..

Our Own United States Military Members, is of duty the ones who must fight the battles we as citizens can't fight. They have all the tools to deal with threats and attacks upon our nation and its institution.

Trump has attacked everything from our Military performance in Iraq, to Insulting and Attacking Our Intellegence Agency, To Attacking Members of his own party, with threat and belligerent defamation's, he even attack our National Professional Sports Programs, and has incessant Attacked The Press, and Continues to Attack every aspect of our Soceiety, including our Long Term Allies, To Attacking Our Global Trading Partners, to Now Attacking Helpless Asylum Seekers and Being Like a Vile Tyrant Seperating Kids from their Parents. Her has looted our Treasury, which carries a National Debt of over 20 Trillion Dollars, and given 1.x Trillion to the wealthy, and disgraced our Supreme Court Nominee Process, by attacking the Rules and Installing a Puppet On the Court.

DO WE REALIZE, we have a "enemy and he is a domestic enemy to and against everything America has worked 100's of years to build and sustain. We go around the world with our Military to Remove such types from their perch in foreign lands, and maybe now we need our own Military to remove an Enemy from the Perch in the American Executive and Congress.

These are the same aggression's that Hitler Engaged Upon and Against Germany, and Ethic People he had Racist and Prejudiced Aims to Attack.


We have to realize why the Founding Fathers included the phrase... To Protect This Nations from its Enemies, Foreign and Domestic.

Now, we are faced with a Domestic Enemy in Our Executive Office and Throughout of United States Congress.

Our Collective Body of Congress should be able to call up the Military Forces and March In and Remove the President, His Cabinet and the Entirety of the Republican Congress... and it will be Justified by Our Own Declarations of Independence.

(Maybe people need to Re-Read: The Want, Will, and Hopes of the People -

THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their Public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected, whereby the Legislative Powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary Powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil Power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefit of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences:

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation, and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & Perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince, whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these united Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States, that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. — And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.

New Hampshire:
Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, Matthew Thornton

Massachusetts:
John Hancock, Samuel Adams, John Adams, Robert Treat Paine, Elbridge Gerry

Rhode Island:
Stephen Hopkins, William Ellery

Connecticut:
Roger Sherman, Samuel Huntington, William Williams, Oliver Wolcott

New York:
William Floyd, Philip Livingston, Francis Lewis, Lewis Morris

New Jersey:
Richard Stockton, John Witherspoon, Francis Hopkinson, John Hart, Abraham Clark

Pennsylvania:
Robert Morris, Benjamin Rush, Benjamin Franklin, John Morton, George Clymer, James Smith, George Taylor, James Wilson, George Ross

Delaware:
Caesar Rodney, George Read, Thomas McKean

Maryland:
Samuel Chase, William Paca, Thomas Stone, Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Virginia:
George Wythe, Richard Henry Lee, Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Harrison, Thomas Nelson, Jr., Francis Lightfoot Lee, Carter Braxton

North Carolina:
William Hooper, Joseph Hewes, John Penn

South Carolina:
Edward Rutledge, Thomas Heyward, Jr., Thomas Lynch, Jr., Arthur Middleton

Georgia:
Button Gwinnett, Lyman Hall, George Walton



THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION

Valuable words, are these:

I __________ will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;


All Our Military People Take This Oath of Pledge.

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Reply Should we Ask Our Military to Protect Us, from Enemies Foreign and Domestic? (Original post)
Civic Justice Jun 2018 OP
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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:52 PM

1. Posse comitatus. The military can't be used for domestic law enforcement.

And what's with capitalizing every other word?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:53 PM

3. Right? (n/t)

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:01 PM

19. Choice to do so...

 

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:32 PM

29. The choice being law versus opinion.

I'll take the former in this case.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:53 PM

2. No offense, but this post is bullshit, encourages illegal behavior & smells like foreign influence.

To say nothing of tacitly suggesting Trump could use the armed forces to suppress legal dissent.

American armed forces do NOT operate within the US.

PS, why all the weird capitalizations?

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 12:56 PM

4. It probably would be bullshit if it made any sense at all,

but gibberish is probably a better description.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:28 PM

8. Excellent point. Cogent, brief, clear, and without bullshit capitalizations meant to Invoke The Past

...thanks for the refreshing change of pace from the OP.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:03 PM

5. Its about REMOVING TRUMP..... !!!! Geez....

 

He is doing exactly the things of why we did not want King George...... maybe some of you need to actually read the document and understand why THIS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, wanted to get from under the Tyranny of King George, but it appears some of you seem to accept the Tyranny of Trump and Republican...

your comments make we wonder if some of you might be trolls, who want to prolong the Trump Tyranny !


Just exactly what do you think the National Guard is? it is a branch of the United States Government's Military System.

A person who is active duty is in the military full time. They work for the military full time, may live on a military base, and can be deployed at any time. Persons in the Reserve or National Guard are not full-time active duty military personnel, although they can be deployed at any time should the need arise


The national guard has the skills sets that the Military Provided them with. They do operate Domestically !!! They take the same Oath and Make the Same Pledge.

IF they can be used to contain "you"... they certainly can be used by the voice of the people, to deal with domestic Enemies, and NOTHING SAID, THERE'D NEVER BE ENEMIES EMBEDDED WITHIN OUR EXECUTIVE ADMINISTRATION, WHO ARE KNOWN TO AND BY THE PEOPLE AS "ENEMIES AGAINST AMERICA'S DEMOCRACY.

So before you sling your stuff... "think".... When our Congress Fails to Act and Impeach... then they become complicit in the acts of a Tyrant in our Highest Office.

Sure we don't want the challenge it would cause, but we also can't as a nation continue down a path that destroys us from within and cause us to increase our enemies abroad.

With the mindset of some of you today, if you'd lived back in the 1700's we'd now be under British Rule still.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:50 PM

15. you are advocating a military coup d'etat?????

 

MADNESS!!

This OP is a shit-stir.
I suggest you pull it.

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Response to Exotica (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:57 PM

16. I'm not pulling it... what do you think makes America Immune to anything?

 

to what we do and what we support being done in other countries. some countries don't just hate us, they equally so hate us for changing their government and their governments leadership. The same as some like us for supporting the change and changing their governments leadership...

America people better wake up and Realize we are Not Immune ANYTHING ....

Maybe people better go back and look at World War II European Cities and see what became of them... they once thought they were peaceful enclaves and they doubted much, and what became of them?

What was Germany before Hitler? and What became of Germany during Hitler's Reign....

I'm not hoping for such chaos that a forced removal would create.. but I'm not blind to the potential that such can happen in America.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:17 PM

24. A military coup of ANY sort is the end of America as we know it.

 

It would catapult the global system down the road to disaster.

Disgusting to see this tosh pushed here.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:17 PM

6. Lol the military isn't going to remove trump

Not a chance in hell. They would sooner protect him from any extra-constitutional attempts to remove him. There are multiple and clearly defined Constitutional ways to remove a President from power. They will wait till one of those is exercised. As they should.

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Response to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:21 PM

7. We knows its not likely, but we don't have the luxury of taking it off the table.

 

America people should know what options exist, because one day... they may have to call upon that option.

We've become a society gullible to accept anything, and then try and find ways to play if off.... as we've seen and continue to see.

But, we want to cheer when we send our people to other lands, to remove people from office who damage their country. But we don't have the guts or stomach to even acknowledge the option exist here in America as well... When we have an Enemy within Against our Democracy and the stability of this nation.


Trump is doing the same march Hitler did through his Ascension, and we are just like the German people of that day, trying to claim everything is unbelievable, while watching it happen.


...as black people we've as a historical people seen worst, it was called slavery and segregation and ongoing racism, But the tyranny of Trumps aims will hit the "non believing white people" who live in perpetual denial, and ultimately think their white skin will give them cover, who will find it harder to deal with under a tyrant.... Black people are not in any way going to go back under such a tyrant vile and containment, America would become a pile of ashes before that happens, and everything owned by the wealth would be made into rubble.

Those are realities people don't want to realize... Black people will never be enslaved under such Tyranny again, now some white people may accept forms of Serfdom... but black people have had enough of that too. with the Share Cropping Madness of the Segregation Era.

People don't want to think of the Extreme, but they accept it everyday from Trump and then Normalize it, as they move on to the next Drama Antic which they come over and over to accept and normalize, as long as its not at their doorstep YET....

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:34 PM

9. Oh, now your argument pivots, & others' disagreement w your bullshit is about race? Sorry, NO. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:41 PM

11. Race is Always a matter within anything Concerning America ...

 

and certainly more so, when it involves Right Wing Republican Agenda.....

If you claim so much about being of such support equality, it should be a concern of yours as well.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:43 PM

12. YET You Mentioned Nothing About race in your Original POst. Evasive RefraMing is BS. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:46 PM

13. Only because you limit your own thinking...

 

Geez.... think !!! much of the stuff trump is doing, has done and continue to do is with racist tonality, the same as what he incited in his rally's... if you learn to connect the dots instead of "one dimensional thinking" you'd have understood that was and is always inclusive, when more than 40-50% of Americans already knows of the Race based madness that is part of Trumps make up. the question is where have you been and what have you neglected to think about.

Oh's I know,.. it has not yet crossed into your white enclave and gotten to your white household door threshold... so why even worry about it, right... or for that matter, why even consider race... since its not a matter that is of much concern until someone makes it clear that race is a part of the equation, and you rush out with your denial slanted comment.

Truth is real, because one chooses not to look at it, does not make it less Real....

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #13)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:47 PM

14. No, it's because your arguments are inconsistent and such shifts make them appear dishonest. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:58 PM

17. you don't have to like it... if you got a different one then write it out.

 

other than that, you have not even present an argument... only complaining about what's written.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:00 PM

18. Actually, I did. I pointed out your idea was illegal, ahistorical and dangerous. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #18)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:14 PM

21. do you think its any less dangers with the neo nazi's and white nationaist being embolden

 

and yes they are willing to fight and to kill... and will kill you as well, white people know that, but deny that too, because all during segregation many kept their mouth's shut because they knew the white racist would attack them just because they did not join in, and if they said anything against white racism, they would be attacked too. Its no different with the white racist that trump has riled up, you should have seen and been made aware of that in Charlotte...
but most have selective amnesia, since nothing has crossed their door stop threshold.

Your live in your denial fantasy land.... I'll continue to look at what is happening, what can happen, and think about what option are available to use as a Democracy Loving American People when situations get to the point of no return and Democracy is threatened with Authoritarianism and Tyranny.

you sit around and keep talking about what can't happen... rely ion denial.... if that suits you.

We know how that works too, America say it during slavery, segregation and they saw it among the mass of German people,.... we need not be blinded by denial again in America...... on any level or in any matter, and certainly not blind to what options exist on the table of the nation, for the protections of Democracy.



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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:15 PM

22. Odd that it's now so much about race, given that your OP makes NO MENTION of race (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:39 PM

30. It's the fall back position with this one. Disagree with it and you're a racist.

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:39 PM

32. Sad! (n/t)

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Response to Marengo (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:53 PM

35. Learn how to read... I did not call him or you a racist..

 

I said: REPEAT since you seem not to comprehend what's read. If I need to put it in all Cap's I can do that too.

do you think its any less dangers with the neo nazi's and white nationalist being embolden !

and yes they are willing to fight and to kill... and will kill you as well, white people know that, but deny that too, because all during segregation many kept their mouth's shut because they knew the white racist would attack them just because they did not join in, and if they said anything against white racism, they would be attacked too. Its no different with the white racist that trump has riled up, you should have seen and been made aware of that in Charlotte...
but most have selective amnesia, since nothing has crossed their door stop threshold.


You guys don't get it, I'm not afraid of your bully games, because you don't comprehend and understand the concept of perspective when you read stuff and choose to deny what you can't digest thinking about.

That's your problem, I won't make your problem my problems in that regards..

The only problem we share in common, (I hope...) is a detesting of the Republican Agenda... I personally detest the element and fact of racism, and I also detest people who complain but have no alternative commentary to back up their complaint.

I also, don't wrongly assume America is Immune to Anything !!!!

I also think, we need to rethink the concept of "Commander in Chief", and rely on Congress as to when our Military Force is Utilized as well as How Divisions and Factions of Our Military is Utilized. I'm all for the President being the Presiding Office, but as the Constitution say', they act with the Advise and Consent of the Congress. Which means... Our President can be the Presiding Officer over the Military, but they cannot order Military Actions without Congress, and Congress can Advise, and Consent, but the President cannot act without the Consent of the Congress... BUT.. Congress CAN Act without the consent of the President, in situations where we have a Criminal Enemy of Democracy, in the Whitehouse!!! OR, in the event the President in incapable of Acting..!!! Which also means, that the President should Not have the Nuclear Button, that it is only delivered to him by the Consent of Congress when we are faced with Imminent Threat, and The Speaker of the House of US House of Representatives along with The Senate Majority Leader and The Secretary of State and the Vice President Must Be In Agreement before it can be used.




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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #35)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:15 PM

37. Bullshit. I read you perfectly clear when you suggested I sound like a Jim Crow racist for daring...

 

To criticize your constant berating of the DU community for the apparent offense of not not kissing your ring and shouting your narrative to the four winds as the gospel. Now, I’m clearly reading your implication that anyone who criticizes your suggestion of a military coup as a viable option is a supporter of white supremacy.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #37)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:29 PM

48. yup thats the way i read it too (n/t)

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Response to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #6)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:47 PM

57. people said "not a chance in hell" about Trump... when he was campaigning, "where is he today"

 

that's should tell one that such a statement does not hold much water.

We have processes in place and hope like heck they work; but we also have many political pundits that say, Republicans would not remove Trump even if he is impeached....

We have republicans who won't speak out against taking kids from their parents, we have republicans who have not spoken out against a multitude of things Trump has done, and we has a mass of Republicans who still want to attack Health Care even after their "kill a mass of people bill did not get passed"; fact is... they don't give up..... and we need to see that for what it is.

We had a nation on the brink of economic default and mass home losses and job losses, but what happen... people voted Republican right back in and gave the Congress AND the Office of President.

so, the "not a chance in hell" phrase... is only a phrase.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 01:40 PM

10. The military voted for Trump and will again, and many presidents, including Obama

 

have used the military domestically.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:03 PM

20. Horrific to see this being promoted here.

 

I have seen similar right wing screeds like this elsewhere, just talking about Democrats and Obama.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:15 PM

23. It should be alerted as "right wing talking points," but it might not pass the vote. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:26 PM

26. you have nothing but complaints.

 

absolutely no thought at all as to how to deal with anything.. but you sure are desperate for silence, on what you can't digest to think about.

Denial and Blindness of what is within this world and how and what can happen in this world.. will not make a utopia...

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:47 PM

33. Or more likely absurd ideas should be pointed out as such.

"but you sure are desperate for silence, on what you can't digest to think about...

Or more likely, absurd ideas, unsupported by law or precedent, should be pointed out as such.

But I get it... to achieve the level of insular self-validation our biases require, opposition to an absurd idea we may hold is often (and conveniently) perceived as "denial and blindness" to better maintain our dramatic pretense of martyrdom.

The critical and rational mind would examine our ideas from every conceivable angle rather than tossing an editorial (as yours lacks even the basic validity to call it a hypothesis). The rational mind would find objective evidence to support the hypothesis.

You've merely tossed an unproven editorial, lacking any evidence to support at the wall, then move the goalposts, then question the motives of those in disagreement.

Just a head's up... the Enlightenment provided us with some pretty good ideas on formulating a hypothesis. Try them sometime. Though not as convenient, logical and rational thought provide us with valid presuppositions rather than unformed thoughts thrown at walls.




Burches are most consistent in both form and function. It's an adorable little tree.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:54 PM

34. I'm going to the art store to buy a frame for this comment. A thing of beauty. (n/t)

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 03:58 PM

36. Do you understand what the heading was of the OP is: IT IS A QUESTION.

 

We Have a Domestic Enemy, in Trump and the Republican Congress.

Should we Ask Our Military to Protect Us, from Enemies Foreign and (these) Domestic Enemies? "Republicans and Trump" (Incase you missed it), IT IS A QUESTION.

Either you have an answer or response to the question or your don't... You trying to attack the writer, tells me to IGNORE YOU.

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #23)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:22 PM

43. I decided on both "kooky and extremist"...

...and a note to the Admins. I hope the Admins are in -- I didn't ring the door buzzard.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:14 PM

44. Sounds about right, and sounds about right. Either way we need some socks darned around here (n/t)

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:24 PM

25. Do we understand what " Options are"?

 

We don't want to talk or hear about Nuclear Options when Trump was bickering with Kim... but people knew that Options existed.. no matter how horrible or how much we did not like the option.. we know it exist.

Why are people so wound out to remain blind to what options exist... to avert Tyranny and Authoritarianism Usurping Our Democracy.


Trump and Republican have built their Reinforcement, via Russia.... We have seen him destroy and distance any we may have, by his insults at NATO, G7, and pulling our the the Human Rights Panel at the UN... and we remain blind and in denial...

If one wants to overtake something, they first strip it of everything they can, and proceed to do so... Trump has done that is continuing to do that... and all we have is a mass of "people".... in denial... and struggling every day, with swallowing what they choose to swallow and then claim it was not as bad to swallow as they thought... and the Trump madness become normalized in their lives, because it has not come across their door step yet.

Time is continually exposing who America is... and other nations are not at all liking what they see it become, and many American are not liking what it is becoming.. while others worked their butts off to normalize it, so they can go back to what ever they go back to.

I'm all the more for us having a "society of people who wake up" far more than I am for one that has to forcibly remove an Administration...
But I also watch what happens around the world... and I know no nation is immune to anything... I pray that we never come to have to exercise such an options as removal... but I'm not going to blind my mind to the fact that it is not an option that is as real as any other in the span of what is life and the history of nations.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:28 PM

28. I fully understand what "options" are.

 

They are like opinions, not all are equally as valid.

This one is fucked up beyond any help for repair.

I have the option to walk away from my business today. I'm not going to outline or discuss it because it would be dumb as fuck. Just being an option does not make an argument solid.

I read this lunacy far too many times, damn near word for word, from people going after Obama.

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:39 PM

31. Absolutely right. (n/t)

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Response to NCTraveler (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:32 PM

38. Well if you are so adept at options...

 

You should know, Republican have no problem with using options. They used the Nuclear Options to put a Man on the Supreme Court.. and that as not the standard, nor was it something that was historically done. they hoodwinked much of American by shooting missile in the sand in Syria, while they exercised the Nuclear Options to place their nominee on the Supreme Court, and much of America was blinded and consumed in talking about missiles in the sand... While the result for Republican is a Right Leaning Justice on the court for the next 40 yrs.... and its worth Trillions of Dollars to have placed him there. Because NOTHING goes to the Supreme Court without considering its economic impact.

so... think what you want..

Options exist, whether ones like them or not, they exist. We, and people around the world know Nuclear Weapon Options is not suitable or desired or the best options for dealing with Foreign Nations, but that does not mean that Options comes off the table.

Evidently you only want to acknowledge options you think are pleasant, when reality in this world is, there are options that are not pleasant !!! call it F'd up or what ever you want to call it, it does not make options vanish.

One day, you may even find yourself begging for such an options, because you can't predict the future, nor can I... but you can darn well bet ... there are a variety of "options" that many are too afraid to even consider, but that does not mean those options don't exist.

We saw republican use the options not to bring for vote a Supreme Court Justice during Obama's term. and that too was unprecedented....

so.... you bask in denying that a variety of options exist... far and beyond what ones thinks is pleasant... I will remain aware that there are many options that always exist.

No one thought we'd see kids ripped from their parents, but we see it... and there are many who say not too much about it. because it has not involved their own kids.

Its the same with the gun violence... we have options... to bring it to a halt!!! and they are not pleasant options, but they certainly exist.

I know this... any nations of people who could create the vile of slavery, and do the vile that was done during slavery and then for a 100's yrs after.... there is nothing anyone should put up and claim what people won't do. Not in America... and not when it come to the white people agenda, that we've seen forefront in the Right Wing collective of racist, bigots and people who engage in inhumane acts.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:25 PM

46. "Vile" is never used as a noun. Just curious, what is your native language? (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #46)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 08:30 PM

58. That caught my eye as well. Can't be bothered to actually edit that screed...

But even so, there are some tells.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 02:28 PM

27. Looking forward to your next post berating DU for not genuflecting to your brilliance.

 

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Response to Marengo (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:51 PM

40. And so wordy

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 04:50 PM

39. YOU fundamentally misunderstand both the US Constitution and world history...

You are indeed advocating a military coup d'etat, which would result in military rule (not Civic Justice, haha) and the immediate end of our nation as a republic. We are currently in grave peril -- but the road you advocate is not one we should ever choose.

DU is not now and never has been about that.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #39)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:13 PM

41. No, the language is quite clear.

 

again.... "the OP is a question"... and I stated my thoughts about the question. because others don't like the thoughts, is not my problem nor concern. I did not and don't have a position to make such a choice, but I know where I'd stand if it came time for such a choice. Do you?

We've watched much change around the world, and this ASSUMPTION that we are IMMUNE, is truly a sad assumption. We better know what are our options, be they liked or un-liked...

Maybe ask ones self the question, as to how we think other nations like it when we "topple and replace their leaders", and we do it by backing their military with our military... but, somehow people think we are so above everything. that same thought is why we have Trump and Republicans are stomping all over us, and all many can do is crack jokes and make puns by behind the acts they have continued to do. If those who think puns and jokes is their best option, then have at it, and keep at it.

I prefer to talk about what options that exist.

Maybe you don't understand the words of the Declaration of Independence, it said:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;


Now, just what do you think that means... if you don't know.. it means an "OPTION EXIST"..

I am fully mindful of what else it says: Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes;


Nothing in that said... there were not options, and nothing said how those options excluded any means to that objective IF if came to that.

Our best hope is that this situation of Trump is a Transient Cause... But, we have no assurance that Republican won't Retain Congress, and we have no Assurance that Democrats will Win in 2020 ..... So, you nor I know what the future will be... or what actions that may come to exist in that future.

Fear of thinking about the seeming unthinkable... does not make anything go away, nor does it change what could be options that come to exist.

Again, look around the world, the British never thought we'd rise up and change the trajectory of the world and this nation, but we did. Trumps loves passivity minds, he stomps on them like one stomping grapes for the white they want to make. Think skins are what Tyrants like, because its east to bruise them.. and when bruised, they sling a few jokes and puns, and that's to a Tyrant more more than like riding in a motorcade, with people giving them the finger... they ride right on past it.

The average white person has never been oppressed in America, so they don't get the reality or the true understanding of what oppression is or how it works to be oppressed and under the repressions of a vile abuser and systems of abusers, because they've always been of the same make up in skin as that of the oppressors... until they think it can't happen to them, because they are white.

many people thought the Soviet Empire would not fall, but it did, and many of the places after it fell, did not think they'd descend into calamity, but they did. Many though they never see "ethnic cleansing" but they saw it and suffered it as well.

If the U.S. continues to damage it Allies, and then U.S. Currency comes to loose its Value as a Reserve Currency, then what will all of you nay sayers about what options exist in the broad pool of options... will have to say under such a scenario.... will you then opt for Nuclear War, or would Removal of a President be the choice? Neither of those options are nice or pleasant, but don't assume that life can't pose such options to America and any other country on this planet.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #41)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:27 PM

47. Your posts' language is not clear, it's awful - un-American both in grammar and concept. (n/t)

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Response to FreepFryer (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:55 PM

49. if you want to teach English, I'm not your candidate.

 

....you need to find another method for your attack...

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #49)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:57 PM

51. Quality of words & argumentation matters. Yours here are sorely lacking beyond any instruction.

Besides, I don't do problem cases.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 05:14 PM

42. I'm not sure whether to go with "right wing talking points" or "kooky and extremist"...

...or possibly go straight to the Admins.

However, it is entertaining watching my friends bat you around, "Civic" Justice.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #42)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:57 PM

50. I find it absurd, that people are incapable of concept and perspective,to think it impossible

 

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #50)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:15 PM

52. Run along and pick up your paycheck. Your work here is done.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 06:20 PM

45. Nothing says democratic

Like a military coup d'etat

It is the job of the military to protect us from enemies foreign and domestic. The resolution of our current situation is not one for the military.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:25 PM

54. "No its not !" as long as the Office of Presidency is Transient based on 4 yrs per term

 

... the matter is, people don't read, they just talk.... https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10786931

Most of these people go into panic mode, by what they fear thinking... when reality is: life and time can change anything!!! One should be broad minded enough to consider what might be "options"... that is the point of the OP question.

Some of these people act like they don't grasp what the potential is, when our Allies are made distant, the same as they don't think of what might be, if our currency is lowered in the Reserve Currency List.

I just read an article that discussed, what might come into play if, our currency looses it Reserve Status. Maybe some don't grasp what $20 Trillion of debt is, and what and how the constant reality of a continuing declining industrial sector is, or what damages a Trade War can invoke.
some are just happy to come and post a few joke and puns, about articles of Republican vile, and they are happy to wait for next week, for the next spin, until they can't remember what the main issue was even a week ago.

"What If"... is a hell of a thing, when one considers what it opens one to consider. I'm not one to dismiss, "What If"... nor am I one to get on her and not talk about optional ways of doing things, and expounding upon thoughts about it.

If others don't care to engage it, then "don't"... it really just that simple. I guarantee that the people who work in "think tanks", don't easily "dismiss" the "What If" factoring.

I don't care that some of these people feel challenged about what they don't care to think about.... that's on them, not on me.

Too many don't hold a thought process long enough to even type a paragraph... and that too is their choice.

We as Democrats claim ourselves to be "smarter than many of the Right Wing and General Republican's", so smart that many think all it takes is a joke and a pun.... I don't think in such terms as if that's all it takes. I watch everyday, how the republican control the public narrative and most of the stuff people comment on, is nothing more than about something republican's have done. They are not so much talking about what is a better way to do something and certainly not about what might be the extremity of options, that under conditions could fall upon the table.

Thank goodness we do have people in sectors that do, think beyond, and consider the unlikely, as well as the extreme, because left up to the average person, we might be in a very hard place. If one does not know what the element of radical options is, they may fall victim to something they never cared to give thought about.

The OP is a Question, with following thoughts based on the question, and people go crazy...

What the hell would they have thought if Trump and Kim had kept up the bluster and set off a WMD? yet, its something no one wants to think about... but its not the first time we've come close to such extreme potential of incident.

This site must be with a lot of older baby boomer, who are still wrapped up in the World War II Glory Thinking, when fact is, the entire world has changed many times since that time.

I remember when 911 happened, and how it disrupted things for years to follow. Somethings never were even remotely the same afterwards.... and now we are again, looking for ways to even be more laxed about Air Travel.... because Money become the higher focus.... often times in history it has done so, to our greater detriment, which is why we have expanding ghetto's all across America. 1940's, 1950's and 1960's you could never have convinced an American that in this day in 2018 that Detroit would be in Shambles. Nor could anyone have told American's that we'd have bankrupt cities and expanding poverty that has increased by the decades since the late 1970's.
Most would never have thought Reagan's deregulation would have caused the damages that came to be, nor that his act of the Air Traffic Controllers would see a decline in the Air Carriers that once were dominant in this nation. Pan Am and TWA once spanned the globe, "where are they today"... American never would have thought Reagan's mess in Central America would result to damage and cause issue that did not miss a single America Family, with his saturation of drugs across America, that has continued to morphed from one type of drug epidemic to the next type of drug epidemic. because people don't like thinking, they don't like reading and prefer to deny what they find challenge considering as potential possibilities.
Things don't just happen... there's cycles and trends that lead up to them....


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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:18 PM

53. Oh, sure, you can ask....

I think Ft. Leavenworth is... that way.....

You probably shouldn't mention my name.... they kinda hold a grudge.

Anywho, best of luck, let us know what happens........




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Response to Fla_Democrat (Reply #53)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:28 PM

55. Guess you don't remember George Wallace's statement

 

"Segregation Now, and Segregation Forever"...... yep.. it took a lot to make that NOT happen....

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #55)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 07:39 PM

56. Are you back already?



I said have at it, even gave you a starting point. Did you want everyone on the board to meet up and go? Carpool?

I have faith in you. All that was asked is to keep us informed.






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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Mon Jun 25, 2018, 11:21 PM

59. Thou hath disrupted... poorly. nt

 

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #59)

Tue Jun 26, 2018, 01:46 PM

62. Yet he hath risen from the grave.

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #60)

Tue Jun 26, 2018, 01:44 PM

61. Is your point that in order to save democracy we have to kill it?

Be blunt; we can take it.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #61)

Tue Jun 26, 2018, 03:33 PM

63. please use a sense of perspective understanding when reading

 

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #63)

Tue Jun 26, 2018, 03:37 PM

64. Oh I have perspective all right. I just have to wonder where you are coming from...

Both figuratively and literally.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #64)

Tue Jun 26, 2018, 04:25 PM

65. you don't have to wonder... I've written it out already...inclusive with formatting..

 

All one has to do is read to understand, RATHER THAN reading to dismiss before getting the understanding of whats being read.
doing so, makes big difference in ones capabilities in comprehension of what's being read... most of the commentators read with a mind already fixed to dismiss, therefore they continually missed the point, even when the point was restated multiple times.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 03:12 PM

66. What happens when it fails?

By no means am I entertaining the thought of a coup as remotely advisable, but even if it were -- what happens when it fails? I could see the Democrats being branded as the party of traitors for generations and republicans start winning 80% of congressional seats and passing Constitutional amendments.

You may think it can't get worse than it is now, but oh, oh yes it can.

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Response to Civic Justice (Original post)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 03:48 PM

67. Kennedy's SCOTUS retirement is triggering the crazy posts around here

Would never expect to see trial balloons for military coup d'ιtat being floated here. You sound exactly like my tea-party family when Obama was elected.

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #67)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:24 PM

68. if you did not read the multiple times I've explained that the post is a question,

 

I certainly won't waste any more time explaining it. Geez... where the heck do you people come from?

Bet your ass did not expect the stuff Republican and Trump has done either.!!!

But he told you that too... when he said... "I'm the ONLY ONE who can fix America', and he told you many other things, but as sad as it is to say it... and I hate to have to point it out, but "denial" and the delusion that everything is always fine, as long as it does not personally affect them or their wallet... its typical some mentality types of white peoples, who live with a perpetual denial mentality, and others act like they can't understand a damn think, especially when it does not affect them, or the white privilege they are so comfortable with. the same segment types also don't often hear very well, and seem to have issues with perspective understanding, if it goes beyond their general denial groomed circumference of self focus... some comprehend even less, because they are too busy living in denial about something....

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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #68)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:33 PM

69. It is a leading question and based off the content of your post I can only assume you are advocating

the removal of a president by the military. Is this not correct?

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Response to Devil Child (Reply #69)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 04:35 PM

70. assume what you want... I painted a perspective scenario, based on the question....

 

if you did not like it, then you are 100% free to have written your own...

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