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highplainsdem

(48,966 posts)
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:39 PM Jun 2018

WOW. John Pavlovitz: God Has Nothing to Do With Trump Being President

Must-read...and post this Pavlovitz column everywhere you see people claiming God put Trump in the White House:


https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/06/08/god-has-nothing-to-do-with-trump-being-president/


If I hear one more Evangelical claim that God chose Donald Trump, I’m swear I’m gonna rapture myself.

Christian Trumpers really need to stop spiritualizing the man, his campaign, and his Presidency.

It’s sinful.
It’s blasphemous.
It’s lousy evangelism.
It’s also just plain asinine.

The hypocrisy on display is historic: after spending the past 8 years straining to find infinitesimal specks in Barack Obama’s eye that they could condemn as dealbreakers—Evangelicals are now perfectly fine with Trump’s rotted forest of Redwoods.

In fact, in the most dizzying display of theological spin doctoring, it is now precisely his ever-growing trail of personal toxic discharge that supposedly proves evidence of God’s hand in it all.

-snip-

Dying to justify their own allegiances to Trump, Evangelicals have lumped him in with other famously flawed heroes of Scripture, suggesting he is actually God’s anointed, imperfect tool of salvation—in the tradition of the Old Testament.(Well, God did apparently use the jawbone of an ass, so I guess there is precedent).

-snip-

This isn’t a mystery or a miracle—and it sure as hell isn’t God.
Christians need to stop passing the buck to God, and just own the compromises and sick bedfellows they’ve been willing to make for Supreme Court seats, anti-LGBTQ legislation, weapon stockpiling, and a rapidly assembling white Christian theocracy.

Stop namedropping God.

-snip-

We really should stop pretending God is responsible for this fast food dumpster fire, when it’s clear whose hand is in it all.

This reality is the rotten fruit of misogyny,
racism,
Nationalism,
fear,
xenophobia,
and bigotry—all released by people who want God to consent to it all so they don’t have to deal with their own culpability or face their own repentance.

God does not consent.

Pray on that.
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WOW. John Pavlovitz: God Has Nothing to Do With Trump Being President (Original Post) highplainsdem Jun 2018 OP
AMEN. nt Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #1
K&R. I believe in God, I really do, but I never credited Him, sometimes I'm sure Her ck4829 Jun 2018 #2
My preacher co worker today said I'm praying on this child separation and I said Trek4Truth Jun 2018 #4
Wow. ladym55 Jun 2018 #3
Oh well said. Crutchez_CuiBono Jun 2018 #5
Amen!! And preach on! Nt Docreed2003 Jun 2018 #6
What He Said Stallion Jun 2018 #7
Ask them Varaddem Jun 2018 #8
I think he left out idolatrous. Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #9
"Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain..." ThoughtCriminal Jun 2018 #10
Case in point... ck4829 Jun 2018 #12
You know. I have never understood the claim that God hates people that God supposedly created. Blue_true Jun 2018 #13
K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #11
Kick...n/t Upthevibe Jun 2018 #15
If God chose trump SonofDonald Jun 2018 #14
The religious right's hypocrisy is astounding FakeNoose Jun 2018 #16
You mentioned Reza Aslan, area51 Jun 2018 #20
Meh. Different people's gods or "God" do different things. Crash2Parties Jun 2018 #17
excellent!!! Demovictory9 Jun 2018 #18
Awesome writing. Unfortunately, Wednesdays Jun 2018 #19
Er, because there's no god, right? stopbush Jun 2018 #21

ck4829

(35,043 posts)
2. K&R. I believe in God, I really do, but I never credited Him, sometimes I'm sure Her
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:41 PM
Jun 2018

with Obama being President. That was the work of people.

Just like with Trump now being in the Oval Office... but I'm sure they see themselves as gods.

 

Trek4Truth

(515 posts)
4. My preacher co worker today said I'm praying on this child separation and I said
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jun 2018

praying is fine but it's going to take a lot more than that.

ladym55

(2,577 posts)
3. Wow.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:42 PM
Jun 2018

This is the truth:

This reality is the rotten fruit of misogyny,
racism,
Nationalism,
fear,
xenophobia,
and bigotry—all released by people who want God to consent to it all so they don’t have to deal with their own culpability or face their own repentance.

Crutchez_CuiBono

(7,725 posts)
5. Oh well said.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:44 PM
Jun 2018

it's about abortion at this point. They've been sore losers on the topic since the 70's...never mind Roe Vs Wade and scientific facts re clumps of cells not being a baby. If they can win that...the rotten bastards can gloat for a long time to come until we impeach Gorsuch as well.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
7. What He Said
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 PM
Jun 2018

(I was just about to say the EXACT same thing-it was on the tip of my tongue. Thankfully now I don't have to expend precious time and resources to compose that take down)




Varaddem

(432 posts)
8. Ask them
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:47 PM
Jun 2018

Ask them if they think that God is that pissed at us.Was it turning away the St. Louis before World War II, Florida in 2000 , Putting fascist dictator’s in poor countries That might’ve been better off with democracies or socialism?

ThoughtCriminal

(14,047 posts)
10. "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain..."
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:58 PM
Jun 2018

Many Christians make the mistake of thinking that this is just talking about "Swearing".

But when you invoke God's name to justify what YOU want to do, you are taking his name in vain. They are presuming what God wants by projecting their own desires.

God wants me to have this...
God hates those people...
God wants us to go to war and destroy those evil people...

ck4829

(35,043 posts)
12. Case in point...
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:09 PM
Jun 2018

I once witnessed a fight on social media between a religious left person and a religious right person. The right wing person did the whole "Ill pray for you", "Pray to God for you to see the light", "God bless you", etc.

And the religious left person said "Please don't pray to G-d for me"

And that set the religious right person off, telling the left person that they couldn't even say God's name and that they must hate God.

I learned something too and that's when people say "G-d", it's because God's name itself is supposed to have power behind it.

An element of mysticism and spirituality! And then to see it missing with the religious right, it made me realize there is no mysticism or spirituality to the religious right, just power, profit, and feeling more righteous than those who don't share your views.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. You know. I have never understood the claim that God hates people that God supposedly created.
Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:10 PM
Jun 2018

The idea of hating something that one created is pure dissonance, IMO.

area51

(11,905 posts)
20. You mentioned Reza Aslan,
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 04:34 AM
Jun 2018

I loved the video of him on Vox, on whether the Trump presidency is a cult.

Wednesdays

(17,342 posts)
19. Awesome writing. Unfortunately,
Fri Jun 22, 2018, 03:37 AM
Jun 2018

the number of people whom he's addressing, who will read past the first sentence: zero.

(We should have a smilie that symbolizes preaching to the choir.)

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