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Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:09 AM

Judge explodes over missing children: 'They take your kids and you get nothing?

Not even a slip of paper?

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/judge-explodes-missing-children-take-kids-get-nothing-not-even-slip-paper/

A public defender who handles immigration cases said the government has no answers for parents separated from their children at the border — and no apparent intention of ever reuniting those shattered families.

Erik Hanshew, an assistant federal public defender in El Paso, Texas, published a column in the Washington Post describing the nightmarish process parents must go through to find their children.

“The client meetings have been crushing,” Hanshew wrote. “One man sobs, asking how his small child could defend himself in a detention facility. One cries so uncontrollably, he is hardly able to speak. Question after crying question piles up from one client to the next.”


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“At one point, (the judge) slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying,” Hanshew wrote. “This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court. I can’t understand this, the judge said. If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?”

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Reply Judge explodes over missing children: 'They take your kids and you get nothing? (Original post)
deminks Jun 2018 OP
malaise Jun 2018 #1
heaven05 Jun 2018 #14
malaise Jun 2018 #17
Garrett78 Jun 2018 #38
heaven05 Jun 2018 #51
stuffmatters Jun 2018 #70
NCjack Jun 2018 #46
heaven05 Jun 2018 #52
DBoon Jun 2018 #53
Purrfessor Jun 2018 #16
OhNo-Really Jun 2018 #34
calimary Jun 2018 #36
malaise Jun 2018 #40
blake2012 Jun 2018 #2
lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #13
FiveGoodMen Jun 2018 #63
byronius Jun 2018 #72
uponit7771 Jun 2018 #3
marble falls Jun 2018 #4
mythology Jun 2018 #5
Shipwack Jun 2018 #57
Bettie Jun 2018 #23
uponit7771 Jun 2018 #43
Nevernose Jun 2018 #76
avebury Jun 2018 #6
peggysue2 Jun 2018 #8
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #9
Fortinbras Armstrong Jun 2018 #24
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #65
OhNo-Really Jun 2018 #35
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #66
OhNo-Really Jun 2018 #67
OhNo-Really Jun 2018 #68
KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2018 #69
The Blue Flower Jun 2018 #7
Glimmer of Hope Jun 2018 #10
stuffmatters Jun 2018 #11
Duppers Jun 2018 #31
ecstatic Jun 2018 #41
uponit7771 Jun 2018 #45
NCjack Jun 2018 #48
Moostache Jun 2018 #58
duforsure Jun 2018 #12
ancianita Jun 2018 #15
NeoGreen Jun 2018 #33
ancianita Jun 2018 #61
bronxiteforever Jun 2018 #18
mountain grammy Jun 2018 #19
GetRidOfThem Jun 2018 #27
mountain grammy Jun 2018 #50
spanone Jun 2018 #20
onlyadream Jun 2018 #21
calimary Jun 2018 #39
csziggy Jun 2018 #22
lark Jun 2018 #25
Delarage Jun 2018 #29
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scottie10 Jun 2018 #26
ecstatic Jun 2018 #42
Chemisse Jun 2018 #55
Honeycombe8 Jun 2018 #28
gademocrat7 Jun 2018 #30
dawnie51 Jun 2018 #32
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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:10 AM

1. This was kidnapping

Plain and simple

Lock them up

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:58 AM

14. I agree, "plain and simple"

 

"LOCK TRUMP UP" the rest will follow...

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:17 AM

17. It's also human trafficking

Where are these children.
People should strike until they are returned to their parents

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:53 AM

38. A general strike would do wonders but most of us feel like we can't afford to strike.

If tens of millions didn't do any shopping for an entire weekend, that would get attention. Organizing such a thing is the hard part.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:04 AM

51. yep

 

that is the hard part. Too many won't act if the injustice of this trump regime/presidency doesn't affect them personally. But it can happen with social media as a tool/catalyst. PM me

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Response to malaise (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 05:29 PM

70. Human trafficing and their young,healthy bodies sold for even worse I fear..

I can't help thinking of Dick Cheney's mysteriously obtained human heart

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Response to heaven05 (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:15 AM

46. How can we get federal kidnapping charges placed? All the US AGs work for Sessions.

The people who should be charged are: Trump and Sessions. When we replace this Administration, we need a monument to McConnell and Ryan for being able to walk without spines.

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Response to NCjack (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:09 AM

52. the "monument"

 

will be two worms crawling in swamp slime.

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Response to NCjack (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:21 AM

53. not a monument

an exhibit in a zoo of these remarkable spineless creatures.

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Response to malaise (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:16 AM

16. Fednapped!

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Response to Purrfessor (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:45 AM

34. Perfect word. or. Trumpnapped

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:50 AM

36. trumpnapped is better. Pins it on HIM.

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Response to Purrfessor (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:00 AM

40. Nice

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:10 AM

2. People need to burn for this shocking inhumanity

 

We’re The United State of America—not Nicaragua or Cambodia.

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Response to blake2012 (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:57 AM

13. Not a figure of speech. Truly burn at the stake.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 01:42 PM

63. Seconded!!!

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Response to FiveGoodMen (Reply #63)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:22 PM

72. Yeah I'm on board.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:19 AM

3. At what point is it fair to ridicule the ice agents for doing this?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:24 AM

4. Ridicule? Beating is the word that comes to my mind.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:28 AM

5. Turn around, see that point at the very edge of the horizon?

 

That's the point at which it was okay to ridicule them. We're well past that now. People should go to jail for this.

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Response to mythology (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:53 AM

57. +1000 nt

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:34 AM

23. Well, we're far past the point where they get to say

"I was just following orders".

They are CHOOSING to follow orders that mean harming children on a daily basis. That is just not OK. Not in any way.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:13 AM

43. +1

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:09 AM

76. We don't need to ridicule them

We need to eliminate them. Not the agents, obviously, the organization. It’s only about 15 years old, created hastily after 9/11 by the Bush administration and the votes were unexpected when I looked back at them. A whole lot of Democrats still had the courage to stand up against something son obviously wicked (like Pelosi) and others voted for the creation of ICE.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:31 AM

6. Someone needs to develop a writ of habeas corpus form in bulk,

hand them out to the lawyers so they can write the name of the child, parent(s) name, lawyer's name, location that the children was taken and what ever other information is needed. The lawyers could show up in court and start filing them. I don't know if the lawyers can join together to request a class action lawsuit over the illegal and wrongful detention of these children.

Hopefully they could find a sympathetic judge who would issue a ruling for the Trump government to begin to produce each and every child in the court room with a threat of Contempt of Court and jail time if they don't produce the children at the date and time set by the judge. Trump intentionally spread the children out all over this country and they should be forced to pony up the cost to bring them all back to one location.

There needs to be real world consequences to the Trump Administration and every employee that is assisting them.

I would love to see a class action RICO lawsuit file against every entity (non-profit or profit) participating in this escapade. I don't see how they think that they could be protected from civil suit. Remember the owners of at least one of the facilities who are pocketing $1.5 million off this?

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Response to avebury (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:40 AM

8. Yes!!

The separations are monstrous, compounded by the lost paper trail. There are now reports of caretakers without proper vetting and the use of drugs at some of these facilities to 'control' the children's behavior.

This is warehousing at its worse, morally bankrupt and lawless.

Hold these people accountable. This is not over by a long shot.

Where are the babies and where are the girls?

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Response to avebury (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:54 AM

9. Thanks - great thought (I had to look it up)

For those like me that are foggy on the subject, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Habeas_corpus

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Habeas corpus; Medieval Latin meaning literally "that you have the body" is a recourse in law through which a person can report an unlawful detention or imprisonment to a court and request that the court order the custodian of the person, usually a prison official, to bring the prisoner to court, to determine whether the detention is lawful.

The writ of habeas corpus is known as "the great and efficacious writ in all manner of illegal confinement", being a remedy available to the meanest against the mightiest. It is a summons with the force of a court order; it is addressed to the custodian (a prison official, for example) and demands that a prisoner be taken before the court, and that the custodian present proof of authority, allowing the court to determine whether the custodian has lawful authority to detain the prisoner. If the custodian is acting beyond his or her authority, then the prisoner must be released. Any prisoner, or another person acting on his or her behalf, may petition the court, or a judge, for a writ of habeas corpus. One reason for the writ to be sought by a person other than the prisoner is that the detainee might be held incommunicado.

Habeas corpus has certain limitations. Though a writ of right, it is not a writ of course. It is technically only a procedural remedy; it is a guarantee against any detention that is forbidden by law, but it does not necessarily protect other rights, such as the entitlement to a fair trial. So if an imposition such as internment without trial is permitted by the law, then habeas corpus may not be a useful remedy. In some countries, the writ has been temporarily or permanently suspended under the pretext of war or state of emergency.

The right to petition for a writ of habeas corpus has nonetheless long been celebrated as the most efficient safeguard of the liberty of the subject.

I hope some of the volunteer attorneys are doing this very thing!..................

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:35 AM

24. Alexander Hamilton wrote about habeas corpus

In number 84 of the Federalist Papers

the practice of arbitrary imprisonments have been in all ages the favourite and most formidable instruments of tyranny. The observations of the judicious Blackstone in reference to the latter, are well worthy of recital. "To bereave a man of life (says he) or by violence to confiscate his estate, without accusation or trial, would be so gross and notorious an act of despotism, as must at once convey the alarm of tyranny throughout the whole nation; but confinement of the person by secretly hurrying him to gaol, where his sufferings are unknown or forgotten, is a less public, a less striking, and therefore a more dangerous engine of arbitrary government." And as a remedy for this fatal evil, he is every where peculiarly emphatical in his encomiums on the habeas corpus act, which in one place he calls "the BULWARK of the British constitution."

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Response to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 02:22 PM

65. K&R. Thanks, good history.

I learn something on DU every day!........

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:48 AM

35. The NDAA killed Posse Comitatus

Last edited Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:20 AM - Edit history (1)

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #35)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 02:31 PM

66. Just curious....

How does Posse Comitatus relate to this situation with the children?

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #66)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 03:46 PM

67. The military will become involved in housing and transporting.

as social pressure on private business mounts.

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Response to KY_EnviroGuy (Reply #66)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 04:27 PM

68. I told you so Pentagon Asked to Prepare Housing for Up to 20,000 Migrant Children

People didn't enlist for thismheartless bullshit

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Response to OhNo-Really (Reply #68)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 04:59 PM

69. Agreed.

We shouldn't be asking our soldiers to participate in civilian government activities that in all likelihood violate international norms of human rights and US laws as well. I'll be very disappointed if our military command buys into this without resistance.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:39 AM

7. Kidnapping and child abuse are crimes

Sessions, Nielsen, Drumf, and every bureaucrat who is involved should be prosecuted.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:56 AM

10. How is this not a crime.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:56 AM

11. Trump is getting dangerously close to evoking The Argentine Stolen Children of the 1970's.



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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:10 AM

31. THIS is true! nt

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:10 AM

41. Didn't know about that.Wow! nt

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:14 AM

45. just crazy

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:25 AM

48. When there is no trail of records, criminals prefer to bury the evidence. I expect they

will bury some. Out of 2,000 children, expect some to have medical issues that are not being treated. And, there are the perverts employed to run the prison, and their needed to eliminate victims. Time for another Federal Prosecutor to be appointed to find the children and the criminals. Finding the leader of the crime family should be easy, as he has described his actions nightly on TV. Waterboard Trump and we will have the names of all the lieutenants within seconds of the first pint of water being poured.

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Response to stuffmatters (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:00 PM

58. U2's "Mothers of the Disappeared" was about those children...back on "The Joshua Tree" album

Midnight, our sons and daughters
Cut down, taken from us
Hear their heartbeat
We hear their heartbeat

In the wind we hear their laughter
In the rain we see their tears
Hear their heartbeat
We hear their heartbeat

Night hangs like a prisoner
Stretched over black and blue
Hear their heartbeat
We hear their heartbeat

In the trees our sons stand naked
Through the walls our daughters cry
See their tears in the rainfall



The symbol of "Madres de Plaza Mayo" (The white scarf of the Mothers, painted on the ground in Plaza de Mayo, Buenos Aires):

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:56 AM

12. Congress needs to do right by these people and kids now,

Make all hurt by his actions to be legal citizens with the parents and the children who they did this too. And start at once programs to document every child who was taken to be returned at once to their families. This country is better than trump. The American people have also been hurt by this so Congress has to correct this wrong that's damaged all of us too, or we will.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:08 AM

15. Judge Dolly Gee -- The California judge on the Flores v Sessions case -- needs to rule that ALL DOJ

and HHS personnel broke the law.

To avoid jail time, they -- from Sessions down to the foster care organization heads to the foster parents - -- must immediately return EVERY single last immigrant child to his/her border entry point and parents, or face jail time.

Jail time.

The basis of law is to make those who misunderstand it or break it COMPLY with it or go to jail.

GET THE KIDS BACK FIRST, then we can chant.

Let's not be like them with the lock 'em up chant, though.

Let's actually make sure we have proof and act according to law abiding people, not mobs.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:14 AM

33. We'll need a US "Johann Radmann"...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth_of_Lies


Labyrinth of Lies (German: Im Labyrinth des Schweigens) is a 2014 German drama film directed by Giulio Ricciarelli. Based on true events...

In 1958, Johann Radmann is a young and idealistic public prosecutor who takes an interest in the case of Charles Schulz, a former Auschwitz extermination camp commander, who is now teaching at a school in Frankfurt am Main. Radmann is determined to bring Schulz to justice, but finds his efforts frustrated because of the many former Nazis serving in the government; and they look out for each other.

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Response to NeoGreen (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:33 PM

61. Apropos.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:20 AM

18. Kick and recommend for visibility

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:21 AM

19. Taking their cues from the Nazis

but at least they kept records.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:47 AM

27. But their meticulous records were also their shortcomings...

...by which they were hung in the aftermath.

I think one of the reasons why they kept such careful records is because they were actually proud of the atrocities they were committing...

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Response to GetRidOfThem (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:58 AM

50. and the "it's America bitch" are proud of it..

believe me. they're just incompetent.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:22 AM

20. K&R...

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:30 AM

21. It's called incompetence.

Combined with soulless cruelty.

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Response to onlyadream (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:57 AM

39. And add this in, too: they wouldn't be doing this to refugees from Canada.

Gee, I wonder why...

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:30 AM

22. Original Washington Post column this Raw Story article taken from

Families will no longer be separated at the border. But where are my clients’ kids?
A Texas public defender says he can’t get answers for the parents who have already lost their children.

by Erik Hanshew June 20 at 3:55 PM
 Erik Hanshew is an Assistant Federal Public Defender in El Paso, Texas.

I sat across from my new client, a petite woman from Central America in her late 20s or early 30s, behind the plexiglass at the El Paso County Detention Facility. She had fled her country with her preteen son. Like many of the clients I’ve represented in the past four weeks, she had been charged with illegal reentry. She had no interest in discussing the charges, though. All she wanted to ask about was her son, who had been taken from her when she crossed the border.

“Where is my child?” She demanded. “Why did this happen? Who took him? When will they tell me anything?” She made no effort to be courteous as she fired one question after another at me.

To all of her questions, I had to answer: I don’t know.

She stared me in the eye, indignant. “Why don’t you know?” she asked. “You’re my lawyer.”

More: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/families-will-no-longer-be-separated-at-the-border-but-where-are-my-clients-kids/2018/06/20/9d9e59a0-74b6-11e8-805c-4b67019fcfe4_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.979a461a490a

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:39 AM

25. WTF are they planning on doing with these kidnapped children, what's their end game?

Sell them to well off supporters or to drumpfs pedophile friends? Or are they just so stupid they made zero plans for handling this with the policy theyve been talking about for 3 months, so had to be thinking about for much longer. In all that time, they never thought once about what to do with the children? Send their parents to Guatemela, keep the kids for months longer, then what? Something is really really rotten here in DC that they are going to such lengths to hide the girls and babies and won't let the press or congress talk to any of the children. Is this just abuse because they don't give a shit about brown babies or, since it's the evil hatefully racist drumpf, is something more evil being planned?

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Response to lark (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:03 AM

29. Maybe in China

Making Ivanka and Donald's clothing and plastic bullshit. Maybe they got China to pressure N. Korea to fake effort in exchange for totally free labor for their sweatshops.

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Response to Delarage (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:57 AM

49. Shit, I didn't even think of that one.

Nothing is beneath these criminal destroyers. It just breaks my heart and makes me so afraid. Another thought I had; Manchurian children programmed to start his false flag terrorism event so he can suspend the constitution and declare himself ruler until the country is stabilized then ensure that never happens, with russia's help of course.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:43 AM

26. How to fix this atrocity

Not to take away from the horrendous nature of what's been done, but couldn't the children too young to tell who they are be DNA tested and matched with their parents? I haven't heard this mentioned but it seems plausible.

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Response to scottie10 (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:12 AM

42. Some may not be biological, BTW. I guess kids

who traveled with relatives or family friends are screwed.

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Response to scottie10 (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:33 AM

55. That's a good idea.

Simple bookkeeping would have prevented this chaos.

Better yet, leaving kids with the ones who love and care for them.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 08:58 AM

28. This is unacceptable. I hope the judicial system can do something about this. nt

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:07 AM

30. How do we stop this insane cruelty?

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:12 AM

32. Some rich people.....

will turn up with very young live in maids and nannies. Other rich people will turn up with dusky skinned adopted babies. And some businesses with shady dealings will turn up with young indentured workers who are paid in pennies, if that. I never dreamed that something like this could happen here.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 09:50 AM

37. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread deminks

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:13 AM

44. The desaparecis

I remember in the 70s, the Argentinian dictatorship would "disappear" people, usually young dissenters.
Their mothers and grandmothers formed an activist group (at great risk) to continually protest and demand information. They're still doing it.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/28/mothers-plaza-de-mayo-argentina-anniversary

One aspect of this was that the little children of the desapareciós were sometimes taken and given to military couples to be adopted, "disappeared" in a different way. There might be hundreds of adults today who do not realize they were raised by the people complicit in the murder of their parents.

What is going to happen to these children? It's immoral, but it's also crazy. If they are with their parents, their parents will house and feed them just as always. But now the government is going to somehow raise thousands of children? How? How do you raise children in an abandoned Walmart? No love, no parenting? And WHY?

Trump's a sadist. I used to think he was just a sociopath, but now I think he's a sadist. He LIKES it that so many people are heartbroken and terrified. That makes him feel good. It's sick, but what other explanation is there for this?
Of course, the many GOPers going along with it cheerily-- they can't even claim major personality disorder as an excuse. They're just craven and uncaring.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 10:19 AM

47. Hell of it is ... the parents have to accept it that way.




There's no one they can turn to for help. And no one on the ICE side gives a damn.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:22 AM

54. Who the fuck were/are doing this dirty work for Trump?

You'd think ONE of them would have the decency to speak out—even if they are military personnel.

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Response to C Moon (Reply #54)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 11:39 AM

56. Jason Ritereiser's labor law firm in WA state will represent any whistleblowers for free.

I saw this on Rachel's show last night. BTW, Jason is running for the Dem nomination to WA's US congressional 8th district which we are hoping to turn blue. I just sent him $50 -- https://www.jasonrittereiser.com/.

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #56)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 02:17 PM

64. +1

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:28 PM

59. Just picked up on this thread

Lock him up and a gaggle of his facilitators. Lets grab a committee chairs or two.

With exception for our intelligence community, there must be an openness in our agencies. They know where the kids are. If, investigated and they really don't know, then we have grounds to put someone away.

The impact on these children . . . . Lets have an impact on the adults that instituted these policies. Anything done to these kids without the parents approval.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:32 PM

60. Trump never intended to reunite these families.

This was punishment for daring to cross the border when he told them not to.

I hope this sack of shit dies before the day is over. Everyday he is alive he causes more harm & does more damage.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 12:34 PM

62. Glad to see a judge is upset. NT

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu Jun 21, 2018, 07:23 PM

71. K&R

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 01:38 AM

73. Yeah, the Stupid Incompetent Heartless DumbShits!

“At one point, (the judge) slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying,” Hanshew wrote. “This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court. I can’t understand this, the judge said. If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?”

Thank you Judge.. whomever you are!

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:01 AM

74. If anything encapsulates this whole affair in a nutshell, it is this : "At one point,

(the judge) slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying,” Hanshew wrote. “This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court. I can’t understand this, the judge said. If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?”

But, alas, there are others of a similarly surreal nature. One over-arching element of the bizarre in this hideous, man-made tragedy is that more than anything else, it is Trump's intemperate responses to all questions, including those that are the knottiest and most abstruse to fathom and deploy. Bizarrely, he, alone, has some policies that, in other hands, could be the right, and most effective solutions. But he goes at everything 'like a bull in a china shop'. Completely intemperate. Alas, among politicians his lack of empathy is pretty normal, though he acts upon them more intemperately : as if all questions had just the one dimension to be considered.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Fri Jun 22, 2018, 06:04 AM

75. Kick

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