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Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:22 PM

A Fly in the Ointment

I'll start by saying I have great respect for good lawyers. Over the decades, I've had the opportunity to work with a number of outstanding lawyers on both criminal and civil cases, in state and federal courts. I have some cousins who practice law. And one of my daughters currently works in a law office.

I also like many “average” lawyers. They do a lot of important work. And it definitely takes intelligence and self-discipline to earn a law degree and be admitted to the bar. It's a tough job, and thus many individuals with a law degree end up not practicing law.

That brings us to Michael Cohen.

My brother has said that one in ten lawyers graduated in the bottom 10% of their class. In Cohen's case, we can agree that one in a hundred graduated in the bottom 1% of their class. Hence, while Cohen must have a degree of intelligence, and had some self-discipline, he ended up working for Trump, though not as Trump's lawyer.

Since the FBI raided Cohen's home, office, etc, and confiscated literally millions of documents and recordings, it is commonly recognized that Cohen is in dire legal trouble. It's safe to say that Cohen's troubles are likely to create serious legal problems for Donald Trump. So let's take a look at the nature of their relationship.

Trump, being a sociopath, only has relationships based upon how useful an individual can be to him. This includes his seeking to identify the individual's weak points, to exploit as needed. Cohen has more than a few weak points, but let's focus upon his adolescent need for a hero/ father-figure. Cohen, in this sense, demonstrates the same level of maturity that a 13-year old boy displays when thinking that wearing a Michael Jordan jersey will improve his game.

Trump exploited this tendency. He encouraged Cohen's adolescent identification with television and movie “tough guys,” in order to get Cohen to willingly inhabit the muck and mire of Trump's business interests. Cohen, as federal investigators have documented, even told friends that he was “connected” to the Russian mob. He fancied himself as the new Roy Cohn. He even believed that he was part of the family, Trump's adopted son.

Existing in this delusional state caused Cohen to believe that, like on a cheap movie, everything he did for Trump was “protected” in the context of attorney-client communications. Thus, his education in the legal field resulted in his keeping extensive records of his work for Trump, including with shady characters and illegal activities.

Cohen was confident his experience in the gutter would insure a major position within Trump's administration. He was so sure of this, that he actually said that Trump should not bring Jared and Ivanka into the White House. Not surprisingly, those two advised Trump to not bring Cohen to Washington, though he was unlikely to anyhow. Trump wanted to keep the janitor of the gutters out of public view, other than appearances on Sean Hannity's show.

When the shit hit the fan in April, Cohen thought his legal team's coordinating with Trump's on the documentation the FBI gathered, meant they were on the same team. The Trump team had already been covering much of Cohen's legal expenses. So Cohen was willing to lie to his own lawyers, in a pathetic attempt to protect Trump. He didn't grasp that there was a divide between who the two legal teams were representing.

In time, it began to dawn on Cohen that this was not reel life, and that in real life, he was in serious trouble. When Trump's legal team became fully aware of the documentation that the FBI had secured for the SDNY federal investigators, the “father-son” relationship fractured. Perhaps Cohen recalled the line from the movie “Braveheart,” when the mad Irishman tells William Wallace that “the Lord says he might get me out of this, but I think you're fucked.”

Part of the reason Cohen is separating from his legal team is because he can't pay them. But it's more than that. Good lawyers generally do not appreciate clients that lie to them. Or clients who beg them to keep Sean Hannity's identity secret in federal court, for that matter. Indeed, the only way for a good lawyer to represent Cohen at this point, is to try to secure the best deal possible for him. And even that will be difficult --- for what might Cohen's team use as a proffer to investigators and prosecutors, that they haven't already documented through the FBI raid and previous surveillance ?

Friday should prove interesting, both for Cohen and Paul Manafort.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:25 PM

1. Excellent BRAVEHEART analogy.........



When related to Michael Cohen.

Cohen's ties to Donald Trump as his "fixer" will reveal exactly what Cohen fixed in addition to Stormy Daniels affair.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:10 PM

18. Love lawyers too

My brother is a lawyer and I work in a law firm as a paralegal. I just wish we would find out all trump's dirty dealings sooner rather than later.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:41 PM

28. Then you must love the Trump admin, providing "full employment for lawyers" ;-)

I kid of course.

I think Cohen's legal team quit because once they saw just a fraction of the filth they had gotten mixed up in, they realized that the President's lawyer's lawyers needed lawyers of their own. And so on and so forth ad infinitum.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:22 PM

39. Thanks!

I thought that was a fitting line from a movie for Cohen. (I'm trying to think of a movie that might fit the Trump family for a future essay; all that comes to mind is the 1979 film "Caligula."

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:26 PM

2. Well written, Water Man!!! Thank you.

We truly live in interesting times.

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:08 PM

17. More like

scary times.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:11 PM

20. pretty much the same thing...

...but yes, I hear you.

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Response to Raster (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:22 PM

40. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:27 PM

3. Thank you, my dear H20 Man, for your intelligent remarks.

I really admire and respect the way you have laid out how this situation has evolved.

I too look forward to whatever Friday may bring. I hope that both tRump and Cohen are extremely displeased/unhappy with it.

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:42 PM

30. +1 H2OMan's treatise is excellent

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:26 PM

41. Thanks, Buddy!

I was happily surprised by the NYS Attorney General's filing against the Trump family today. I just got back home from training my son, and need to watch the news for updates. I think Trump tweeted some nonsense about this being "political." I do not believe that he has the intellectual capacity to grasp what he is being hit with. This is a wonderful example of the coordination between Mr. Mueller, the SDNY, and the NYSAG.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:28 PM

4. Great post

Waterman.

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Response to malaise (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:28 PM

43. Thanks, malaise!

It should be an enjoyable weekend -- at least for us! (grin) I imagine it is rather tense within the Trump circle. I like the rumors that at least two White House rats are preparing to abandon ship.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:31 PM

5. Thanks for the good read. My son is a lawyer. When he was in law school the old joke was:

The "A" students become law school professors.

The "B" students become judges.

The "C" students make all the money.

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Response to dameatball (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:30 PM

44. I like that.

I've never heard that before. But now I'm prepared for the next family reunion!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:37 PM

6. You will think I am soft hearted

But I feel deeply sorry for the poor bastard.

He thought if he protected Fredo, Fredo would protect him.

That was never going to happen.

His life is in shreds right now and the only way to mend it is to turn on the man who he thought loved him. Fredo loves no one, not even himself.

Because I love my country and hate Fredo I am looking forward to seeing this play out in court. But I have a soft spot for foolish people sometimes and I know that Cohen’s pain is only just beginning.

Sad. But let the pain begin. And God have mercy let this please be the beginning of the end.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:24 PM

12. "...let this please be the beginning of the end."

Amen to that!

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:55 PM

25. Let's have a huge Amen party

when this whole thing finally comes to light.

Preacher (H2O Man) says, "can I get an Amen?"

And all the DUers will say,

AMEN!!!!

AMEN!!!!

AMEN!!!!

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:20 PM

21. I might have felt that way, too, until I heard a barrage of "Sez WHO?" outta him.

I instantly hated his belligerent, bullying in-yer-face shit. "Sez WHO?" "Sez WHO?" Just nasty as hell, rude as hell, and in yer face all the way. As though spoiling for a fight was his natural default position.

I've hated him from that moment. I hope they don't just throw the book at him, but that they throw entire LIBRARIES of books at him.

And times 1,000,000,000 for his lying cheating scamming scheming deceitful manipulative rapist boss.

I swear, the only thing that holds me together these days is an old saw I keep repeating to myself: "the bigger they are, the harder they fall." Straight to God's Ears, PLEASE!!!!!!!!

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Response to calimary (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:53 PM

24. You're right

Calimary I know you are I just keep thinking of his wife, his kids . . .

I never saw the "SEZ WHO" but I did read about it. I forgot about it until you mentioned it.

So, let Bob Mueller tell him, "SEZ ME."

He won't fall as hard has Fredo but he will fall really hard.

As H2O mentioned above he was good at documenting so he may be the key to this whole thing.

I take it back. I don't pity him. Just his family.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:59 PM

46. Here ya go:

Here is the real one (the "sez who" part starts at 2:00, but his nastiness and over the top belligerence starts at the beginning):

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This doctored one is funny:

<iframe width="656" height="369" src="?ecver=1" frameborder="0" allow="autoplay; encrypted-media" allowfullscreen></iframe>

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #46)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:58 PM

49. Wow what a douche

I think I can live with watching him go to jail.

Here he is defending Fredo.

Fredo wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire.

I think that's the part that makes me pity him asshole that he is.

He thought he was in a reciprocal relationship with the orange one.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:35 PM

45. Well, I know that you are

soft hearted. That's your nature. I am not suggesting that you are pleasant to argue with ......not saying that, since I've witnessed your abilities from years ago, against a creature called Pallas. But then you feel sorry for idiots.

I do not have compassion for Cohen at this point. I'm too familiar with his nature. He didn't dream that there would be consequences for his terrible behavior. But there are, and those consequences are harsh indeed.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #45)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:59 PM

50. The good old days

I find people like Pallas on facebook once in awhile. And I am merciless.

You just miss all the good stuff.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:49 PM

7. thanks

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:54 PM

8. I like lawyers. I also appreciate - some - jokes about lawyers.

But if I'm ever in need of a lawyer, I'll not be telling any lawyer jokes.

Not even if they claim to like them.

Moral: Don't ever piss off or (try to) screw over your lawyer. (don't lie to them)


The saying goes - Don't bite the hand that feeds you.

But sometimes the hand that feeds you will also slap you - hard.

Moral being: The food ain't always worth it. (If someone else is paying, they call the shots...or stop paying)


Between a rock and a hard place - stop banging your head.

Use the wiggle room instead. (Mueller, Mueller, Mueller)


And always remember, the light at the end of the tunnel might just be a train but trains run on tracks.

Get off the tracks, Cohen.

Save yourself, dumbass. (as much as you can)

Trump won't.


K&R
















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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:57 PM

9. Kicketty Kickin'

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:14 PM

10. Sleepwith the dogs, expect fleas. Nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:20 PM

11. KnR, H2O Man

Peace

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:33 PM

13. My understanding is that the Trump re-election campaign has been paying Cohen's lawyers

But even if Cohen's lawyers weren't getting paid, they generally have an obligation to follow through or complete all the tasks they're currently performing for their client before a court will allow them to withdraw. Friday's hearing (or conference or whatever) should be interesting for what isn't said in court as for what is said.

I agree that part of the reason Cohen's lawyers want to get out of their representation has to do with Cohen not being completely forthcoming with them. Nobody likes nasty surprises, and lawyers REALLY don't like nasty surprises from their clients. I worked for one attorney who said that people lied to him every day, and part of his job was figuring out who was lying to him. He impressed on his sketchier clients that things would go very badly for them if they lied to him.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:47 PM

15. Like televangelist suckers sending $20 each fundraising, tRumpanzees paying Cohen's lawyers. .nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:45 PM

14. Cohen graduated from bottom 1% of law schools; on top of your bottom 1% of class point.


1% of 1% is 0.01 % or one in ten thousand.

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Response to Bernardo de La Paz (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:45 PM

32. One in ten thousand - just like Kim Jong Un!

And he's "tough" and "smart!"

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:59 PM

16. Lock 'em Up!!!

Throw in Michael Flynn, too, for good measure.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:10 PM

19. Cohen got his law degree at the worst law school in America, Cooley Law

School; a law school so bad that several graduates sued them successfully for their diplomas being virtually worthless.
Cooley law is currently located in Lansing, Mi.

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Response to Pathwalker (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:44 PM

31. Cooley means ass

in Italian-American slang. It's a variation of culo.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:43 PM

22. K&R, H20 Man

Hoping Manafort goes to jail and Cohen flips.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:49 PM

23. But won't DJT just pardon...

...Cohen and the rest of his cronies? Why should they be afraid if they know even found guilty, a presidential pardon is coming down the pike?

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Response to kytngirl (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:46 PM

33. Who knows how many New York State crimes Cohen is mixed up in?

Turd can't pardon those.

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Response to kytngirl (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:55 PM

36. I believe this case is being conducted by the state of New York

And if that is the case, trump is unable to exercise his pardon power if the state brings charges.

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Response to blugbox (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 04:04 PM

38. Great News! Thank You!

In that case, he will flip! No doubt about it. He's looking at YEARS in prison and for what? To protect somebody who treats them like crap once their usefulness is done. Cohen crowed about his loyalty to Trump, but I've never hear those sentiments expressed by the Trumpster towards Cohen in return.

I hope he sings like a mockingbird.

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Response to blugbox (Reply #36)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:12 PM

47. I bet that is why Mueller turned it over to SDNY. nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:05 PM

26. Can One Be Cunning Without Intelligence

for that is how I think of Cohen, him having learned from the best.

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Response to Me. (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:57 PM

37. One can get pretty far on "street smarts"

... when they are on the streets. He is currently waaaay out of his league.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:30 PM

27. Just like Morton Salt....

When it rains, it pours.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:41 PM

29. Someone on MSNBC said this morning that Cohen's soon to be EX lawyers, were being paid by the

Trump Organisation, especially for the recent discovery fight with SDNY. (Actually it was Michael Avenatti on with Lawrence). They had 15 lawyers sifting though the documents/tapes at an average cost of $750 an hour for 50 hours a week.

15 x 50 x 750 = $562,500 a WEEK for 6-8 weeks !

The kicker is that it appears the Trump Organisation are disputing the invoices, and that's why the lawyers have walked off the job. The old failing of not paying the bills is going to come back and bite them on the ass. It's an incredibly stupid move.

He also said that you'd always hear new lawyers have been appointed as the old are moved on. Cohen hasn't done this, and is clearly waiting for Trump to cough up or he might consider flipping.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:47 PM

34. Can't Trump just make a withdrawal from his Treasury Department Account, or get some #NRAROUBLES?

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 03:52 PM

35. As long as it doesn't come from his pocket ! Undone by his own miserliness.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #34)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:14 PM

48. He could ask his Trump Foundation to cover it. Oh, wait. . . . nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:27 PM

42. K&R...



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