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Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:03 AM

RS: North Korea airs purported footage showing 45 saluting one of Kim Jong-un's generals




https://www.rawstory.com/2018/06/watch-north-korea-airs-purported-footage-showing-trump-saluting-one-kim-jong-uns-general/

You can watch the footage and decide for yourself if NK manipulated the video or if 45 actually did do that. I'm leaning towards the latter as there is no American institution or person(s) he won't disrespect.

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Reply RS: North Korea airs purported footage showing 45 saluting one of Kim Jong-un's generals (Original post)
LonePirate Jun 2018 OP
marble falls Jun 2018 #1
FailureToCommunicate Jun 2018 #4
marble falls Jun 2018 #8
Ohioboy Jun 2018 #2
Kittycow Jun 2018 #3
hlthe2b Jun 2018 #5
Jim__ Jun 2018 #6
Cosmocat Jun 2018 #7
Ferrets are Cool Jun 2018 #9
IronLionZion Jun 2018 #10
DownriverDem Jun 2018 #11
JHB Jun 2018 #13
KPN Jun 2018 #14
mahatmakanejeeves Jun 2018 #12
DesertRat Jun 2018 #15
Victor_c3 Jun 2018 #16
Yellowdog88 Jun 2018 #21
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #22
DesertRat Jun 2018 #29
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #35
Cattledog Jun 2018 #33
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #37
LanternWaste Jun 2018 #39
Yellowdog88 Jun 2018 #41
Buns_of_Fire Jun 2018 #17
Bob Loblaw Jun 2018 #24
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #18
kcr Jun 2018 #27
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #36
renate Jun 2018 #28
kcr Jun 2018 #31
Lee-Lee Jun 2018 #38
kcr Jun 2018 #40
roamer65 Jun 2018 #19
workinclasszero Jun 2018 #20
Mr. Ected Jun 2018 #23
SCVDem Jun 2018 #25
BobTheSubgenius Jun 2018 #26
noncliqer Jun 2018 #30
AllaN01Bear Jun 2018 #32
matt819 Jun 2018 #34

Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:16 AM

1. He just can't help it: he's got a thing for a uniform. When he finally gets his, THEN we're....

going to be in real trouble.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:20 AM

4. Unless it's THIS kind of uniform...

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Response to FailureToCommunicate (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:40 AM

8. This fits better....

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:18 AM

2. I like to hear a translation of this.

You gotta wonder what that excited voice was actually saying.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:20 AM

3. I think that he would salute the guy.

If it's not true, will he be calling out NK for "fake news"?

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:21 AM

5. I think that is real too. He nods at the general, tries to shake his hand, realizes the mistake &

returns salute. He is so easily manipulated that it is not hard to imagine this is REAL.

The animated N. Korean narrator's voice is even more jarring. This clip ought to be playing in Deep read-heavily military communities throughout the US. Something has to wake them up.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:22 AM

6. After he kissed Kim's ass, saluting one of his generals is no big deal. - n/t

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:37 AM

7. Idiot

nm

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 07:47 AM

9. They would have impeached Obama (the Real President) for even meeting with

Un, but they would have denied him re-entry into the country if he had saluted a N. Korean.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:11 AM

10. Dude wants to be a third world dictator so bad

We can do what they did with Napoleon and give him some island somewhere and he can run it as badly as he wants.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:13 AM

11. Just think

if this was Obama he'd be called a traitor and impeached. trump makes me sick and his cult followers make me want to do bodily harm.

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Response to DownriverDem (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:22 AM

13. He was. Remember early on he momentarily...

...was thinking in terms of senator-level protocol for meeting foreign royalty, started to bow to the Saudi king, but remembered that as head of state he doesn't bow, so had that little dip?

They spent 8 years saying he "bowed" to the king. Probably more than 8 now, since they never let their favorite chew-toys go.

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Response to JHB (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:52 AM

14. No kidding! Obama would have been

impeached for being a foreign agent.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:14 AM

12. At least he's not wearing a tan suit. NT

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:53 AM

15. His staff forgot to tell him "DO NOT SALUTE"

The sickening photo and video should go viral.

Notice how stunned Kim Jong Un looks.



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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 08:53 AM

16. I hate to ever side with trump, but I might have saluted the general if I were there

The general is a very different sort of guy than your average rifleman, but Iíd be hard pressed to not return a salute if I was trying to negotiate with the other side.

From a low-ranking NK soldier, Iíd absolutely return the salute. A rifleman had no choice but to be a part of the army and is being told to bear the brunt reality of military service and what war might mean. I can respect a person like that, even if they are on the other side of my rifle.

However returning a salute from a general who most likely got his position of influence through deceit, manipulation, and the betrayal of his country-folk, not so much. A general like that would be sitting in a (relatively) safe and swanky bunker far removed from the front lines of a conflict while directing others to die for his benefit.

All of the above being said, itíd be an almost automatic reflex for me to return a salute after my time in the army. Iíve been out nearly 11 years and still if Iím outside and see someone when Iím walking, I automatically move anything I might be carrying out of my right hand in anticipation of a salute. (I was a junior officer and I received and saluted a lot of people when I was in the Army).

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Response to Victor_c3 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:25 AM

21. I respect your take

As an ordinary person thrown into this place, I could see the reflex of returning a salute. However, that is what preparation and staff can do to follow proper protocol. A polite nod and handshake is sufficient.

The buffoon wishes to go it alone, not prepare, or listen. So you get this awful look.

Idiot.

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Response to Yellowdog88 (Reply #21)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:26 AM

22. Actually protocol would be to return the salute

 

Is always customary that when rendered the honor of a salute the person rendered the honor returns the salute as an acknowledgement of the honor they were rendered.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:55 AM

29. Please explain how it's an "honor" to be rendered a salute from a North Korean officer.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #29)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:45 AM

35. Look up the origins of the salute and what it signifies

 

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:02 AM

33. Eisenhower never returned salutes as President.

He said the President was a civilian and as such shouldn't return a salute.

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Response to Cattledog (Reply #33)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:50 AM

37. And Obama did quite often. It drove righties crazy

 

Each President sets their own protocol.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #37)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:51 AM

39. Hence, the protocol you reference as the fulcrum of your position

Hence, the protocol you reference as the fulcrum of your position is much more relative and pliable than previously implications alleged, and that the return salute of of RoK officer was neither necessary nor expected..

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 15, 2018, 04:34 PM

41. News to me.

I definitely recall the coffee cup salute. That should not happen. I don't recall any salutes to foreign soldiers, especially adversarial. Would love to see proof of even 1 in absence of "many." (Common allies don't count)

RW's would not have let AF1 land if the same was caught on tape from BO.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:00 AM

17. New glasses time. I originally read that as "genitals."

Sad thing is, the headline STILL made sense.

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Response to Buns_of_Fire (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:33 AM

24. Hilarious

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:10 AM

18. It's actually customary to return salutes from any military

 

The key here being that he RETURNED the salute. The person who initiated a salute is acknowledging the person they are saluting is a superior and rendering the appropriate courtesy.

The person who returns the salute acknowledges the persons display of respect with a returned salute.

Even at the height of the Cold War US and Soviet officers meeting on official business would exchange salutes.

I think pushing this as some sort of disrespect will just come across as people not understanding military customs and protocols.

In a lot of ways the fact that a DPRK General rendered a salute to a US President, acknowledging respect to him as a senior, is a big deal in the other direction to those who understand both military protocol and Northís Korea. So pushing this as an issue where Trump erred is probably not a wise strategy there either.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:46 AM

27. For nations with friendly status, yes. He elevated the status of NK by doing so. n/t

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Response to kcr (Reply #27)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:48 AM

36. No

 

Americans who are POWs are even expected and required to render salute to enemy officers who outrank them while they are in captivity.

If war broke out there today and Americans were taken prisoner by North Korea both US traditions and Regulations say that they will salute any NK officers.

It has nothing to do with ďelevating a statusĒ and thatís an absurd notion.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:53 AM

28. thank you so much for this explanation! it's important

I don't want to be like them, automatically getting outraged at every little thing and ending up looking ignorant in the process.

This is really useful information. Thank you!

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Response to renate (Reply #28)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:57 AM

31. Except it's wrong

It's not protocol to salute the enemy.

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Response to kcr (Reply #31)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:51 AM

38. Might want to look that up

 

Americans who are POWs are even expected and required to render salute to enemy officers who outrank them while they are in captivity. A more extreme example than foes meeting at an attempt to bring peace.

If war broke out there today and Americans were taken prisoner by North Korea both US traditions and Regulations say that they will salute any NK officers.

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Response to Lee-Lee (Reply #38)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:11 PM

40. Sure!

http://military.maryland.gov/mdng/Documents/AR600-25.pdf

1-5e is the relevant section:
It is customary to salute officers of friendly foreign nations when recognized as such. The commanding general,
U.S. European Command; the commanding general, U.S. Army Europe and Seventh U.S. Army; commanding general,
U.S. Forces Korea and Eighth U.S. Army; commanding general, U.S. Army, Pacific; and commanding general, U.S.
Army, Southern Command, are delegated the authority to establish policies for recognition courtesies prevailing locally
for foreign officials. Should inactivation eliminate any of these commands, the authority will pass down to the next
level of command. This authority will not be delegated further.


I can't believe you are using POWs as an example and equivalent to Trump's situation. That is beyond the pale.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:21 AM

19. Dump is a treason weasel.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:23 AM

20. Imagine the bloody outrage on Fox "news" if President Obama

had done this!

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:31 AM

23. Overlay Obama's face over Dotard's

And Trump's base would be absolutely apoplectic. Sean Hannity would waterboard himself in protest. Rush Limbaugh would go on hunger strike. The MSM would run the damn clip a thousand times.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:38 AM

25. At least he didn't bow,

like Obama did!

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:43 AM

26. And it's not even one of NK's best generals.

Where are the ones whose uniforms look like a 5-year old's collage?

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:56 AM

30. Putin will be Jealous!

 

, Donny!

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:57 AM

32. this gentleman never served. what a discrace.

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Response to LonePirate (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 10:04 AM

34. Memo to: General (Ret'd.) John Kelly and General James Mattis

Please let the American people know how you feel about your commander-in-chief saluting a North Korean general.

Also, please identify the North Korean general.

Thanking you in advance.

The American People

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