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Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:50 PM

Here is the thing about John Lewis.

This is his 46th arrest. He has been severely beaten, his skull cracked open, arrested, spit on and at 78 years of age is still protesting for equality. He has never wavered in almost 60 years of his life for civil rights. Not just for equality, but for the right to vote.

I find it a disgrace that at the Democratic Convention where we nominated Hillary as our outstanding nominee for President of the United States he was booed. This great man, this leader that has sacrificed so much, booed. Why? He was booed for his right to vote for the candidate of his choice. He fought tirelessly for the right to vote, not just for POC but all Americans. Yet here at the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL CONVENTION he was booed for his vote, his choice.

Just let that sink in for a moment.

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Reply Here is the thing about John Lewis. (Original post)
sheshe2 Jun 13 OP
mcar Jun 13 #1
yallerdawg Jun 13 #2
oasis Jun 13 #3
Gothmog Jun 14 #4
sheshe2 Jun 14 #5
Gothmog Jun 14 #9
betsuni Jun 14 #6
sheshe2 Jun 14 #7
betsuni Jun 14 #8
tavernier Jun 14 #10
sheshe2 Jun 14 #11
Blue_true Jun 14 #13
sheshe2 Jun 14 #14
gratuitous Jun 14 #12
Tom Rinaldo Jun 14 #15
LanternWaste Jun 14 #16
Tom Rinaldo Jun 14 #18
sheshe2 Jun 14 #19
Tom Rinaldo Jun 14 #20
ismnotwasm Jun 14 #17

Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 06:56 PM

1. A complete disgrace, she

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:12 PM

2. Democrats have lost our core values.

That's what happens when associated alliances and gatherings of like-minded people allow anyone in and call them "our leaders."

Civil rights, tolerance and unity, expansion of individual rights, and racial equality and justice are bedrock foundational.

We have become diluted and impure, cynical and disillusioned.

There is nothing as frustrating and divisive as arguing with ourselves. We now know it to be a losing proposition.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Wed Jun 13, 2018, 07:37 PM

3. John Lewis has earned and deserves respect and praise. Those who

disagree with him should take into account his many sacrifices over the decades, and respond to him in a respectful way.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:40 AM

4. For this thread

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:42 AM

5. Love that tweet and picture, Gothmog.

Great that they were all out there protesting and getting arrested trying to right a wrong.

Justice for all.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:47 AM

9. AL Green was at this event

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:43 AM

6. K&R

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Response to betsuni (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:44 AM

7. Thank you, betsuni!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:45 AM

8. Of course!

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 09:58 AM

10. I wasn't aware of that.

I attended a Florida state convention where he was a speaker some years ago, and he was treated with high regard and respect. I fell in love with him when I attended his hilarious and inspiring speech, as did the entire audience. Its hard for me to imagine him being bood by Democrats. Were they drunk? Or perhaps chanting LEWIS, which might have sounded like booing?

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Response to tavernier (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 12:57 PM

11. You should talk to Gothmog (DUer), he can tell you much more than I.

He was a delegate at the DNC and on the floor. He has talked about it a lot, this was the link I found on a brief search. His daughter was also there and was called the C word for not asking Gothmog to change his delegate vote to Sanders. Sad that all happened at a joyous event for Democrats about to welcome Hillary as our Presidential Candidate.

https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100210532152#post2


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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:07 PM

13. The things that happened inside the convention hall and outside on the streets.

Are why I don't want people who don't truly understand our party's record as America's progressive and change driving party, participating in any of our selection processes. If they don't like how we do things, they can start their own party. Don't hitch a ride with us and insist on telling us how to do everything once in the vehicle.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:32 PM

14. This, exactly Blue-true.

Thank you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:06 PM

12. Some sore losers booed Lewis?

Is it all right if I don't give those malcontents any further oxygen two years later? Or must we be forever consigned to re-tying ourselves to a handful of ignorant bitter enders who did something stupid once upon a time?

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:35 PM

15. It's a total disgrace that he was booed

I won't mince words on this, I fully agree. But Lewis wasn't booed because of who he supported or voted for. Those who booed him (and they were total assholes to do so) were angered that Lewis had commented at a press conference in support of Hillary Clinton that he had never met Sanders at any Civil Rights struggles but he had met Bill and Hillary. The off the cuff words Lewis used at the time were somewhat subject to misinterpretation. CNN at the time wrote:

"Democratic Rep. John Lewis on Thursday questioned the extent of Bernie Sanders' participation in the civil rights movement after an event where the Congressional Black Caucus political action committee endorsed Hillary Clinton."

John Lewis shortly after graciously clarified his remarks, saying in part "The fact that I did not meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Sen. Sanders participated in the Civil Rights Movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism".

Those Sanders supporters who booed John Lewis were completely and utterly in the wrong for doing so. I repeat, they were completely in the wrong. It was a travesty for them to boo John Lewis and those who did showed ignorance and a callous disregard for the huge personal sacrifices Lewis made on behalf of all Americans. I can not and will not defend their actions, not then, not now, not ever, but the boos were not just because he supported Hillary.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:38 PM

16. Is your conclusion editorial?

"but the boos were not just because he supported Hillary..."

You can support that conclusion with objective (rather than anecdotal) evidence? Or is it merely editorial?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:55 PM

18. There is ample evidence that there was a flare up of controversy regarding that press conference

Here is a U.S. News and World Report Headline from the time:

"Endorsing Clinton, John Lewis Questions Sanders' Civil Rights Record

I never met him but I met Hillary Clinton," says the civil rights hero."


Here is a CNN headline regarding the aftermath:

"Sanders' lone supporter in Black Caucus pushes back at John Lewis' criticism"


Here is Ebony Magazine covering the clarification Lewis issued:

"John Lewis Softens His Stance on Bernie Sanders - EBONY"

I am not providing links (they exist) because I don't want to relive that episode. The Sanders supporters who got angry over it, and then who refused to move on, were total idiots and disgraceful. I was a Sanders supporter, I know that some other Sanders supporters fixated on John Lewis over those comments specifically, not just because he supported Hillary in general. But it was ugly. Very very ugly and totally wrong of whoever showed disrespect toward John Lewis at the Democratic Convention.

Can I prove that the above "event" was the reason Lewis was booed and not simply that he supported Hillary? Of course not, I would have to interview each and every one of them personally to do so to find out their personal motivations. Let's just say that there is relevant circumstantial evidence that implies motivation.

But the bottom line is those who booed John Lewis only heaped disgrace on themselves for doing so. I have no sympathy for their actions, I utterly condemn them.

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Response to Tom Rinaldo (Reply #15)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:57 PM

19. I appreciate your even response, yet..

Please explain these people and why they were booed as well? If the Sanders supprters were so concerned about civil rights why did the boo so many POC?

John Lewis shortly after graciously clarified his remarks, saying in part "The fact that I did not meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Sen. Sanders participated in the Civil Rights Movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism".



Some DNC delegates booed during speeches given by people of color. Here's what was going on.

https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12279822/democratic-national-convention-boo-cummings-fudge-platform

Thank you Tom.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 02:09 PM

20. I can't. It was completely unjustifiable and out of bounds

Thanks for the link to that article by the way.

Like I said I can not defend that behavior in any way. From your link is this piece of reporting that suggests that the rejectionist behavior of some anti-Clinton delegates was not rooted solely to race:

"Its pretty clear that those who booed and chanted were doing so because they were upset about the platform, and they also booed white speakers like Barney Frank and Democratic Whip Steny Hoyer."

If forced to try to speculate on the behavior of people I do not know personally I would first guess "some of all of the above", meaning any theory one can come up with probably has some truth to it. So in some cases racism could have been a factor -though I do not think that is characteristic of the Sanders movement on the whole. I think hot headed temperaments and simplistic thinking about one's friends and enemies, and a loss of perspective about what we all must work together to achieve were at work. A lot of passion was unleashed during that election cycle, a number of raw recruits got thrust into the center of it, a lot of hard feelings were generated on all sides and some people lacked the essential self restraint to not be ruled by them - particularly among some of those who were new to deep involvement in electoral politics.

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Response to sheshe2 (Original post)

Thu Jun 14, 2018, 01:40 PM

17. K&R

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